Nothing is unpredictable. There are just ways to get around it
Examples: Raikage and Naruto's Speed completely Escapes its sight (Excluding Madara in case of A, Only Naruto's Shunshin would be able to accomplish this with Shunshin)
Lee vs. Sasuke: Sasuke's Sharingan could see it, but his body couldn't react.
Bee vs Sasuke: Sasuke Sharingan could see it, but there were so many targets that Sasuke couldn't react to all of them.
Sharingan would easily be able to keep up with the Hyuuga's Strikes. 0tk Naruto was able to Match Neji in Taijutsu like it was nothing, Neji was going all out while Naruto was mocking him, And Sauske Obliterated a Higher Level of 0tk than what fought with Neji.
Im not trying to imply ABC Logic, but on a basic level it can apply here. A Sharingan user Can Trounce a Byakuugan User in Close Range.
The amount of hit in an instant is far more unpredictable than Bee's style. In fact, Sharingan precognition didn't help him here where Bee was only standing and receiving his attack:
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At the same position, a rotation would have already put Sasuke on the floor. But anyway like i've said, you can believe what you want
The amount of hit in an instant is far more unpredictable than Bee's style. In fact, Sharingan precognition didn't help him here where Bee was only standing and receiving his attack:
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At the same position, a rotation would have already put Sasuke on the floor. But anyway like i've said, you can believe what you want
Are you mad? Sasuke was blocking Naruto's Attacks that where on a diffrent scale than Neji's in terms of Speed.
How are all those blows coming out at an instant when Neji has time to call out things like "2 Palms!" "4 Palms!" "8 Palms!" That would be a breeze for 3 Tomoe Sharingan to recognize.
You do Relize Base Bee was going toe to toe with V1 and V2 Raikage right? He Had Sasuke completely Beat in speed to the point you couldn't even compare. Neji would have to pause let out chakra then start spinning, Sasuke who is already faster than Neji by a huge margin + Sharingan to see the chakra build up and the move ment of his muscles AND wouldn't have just finished an attack putting his moment off would be able to dodge that in slow motion.
Are you mad? Sasuke was blocking Naruto's Attacks that where on a diffrent scale than Neji's in terms of Speed.
How are all those blows coming out at an instant when Neji has time to call out things like "2 Palms!" "4 Palms!" "8 Palms!" That would be a breeze for 3 Tomoe Sharingan to recognize.
You do Relize Base Bee was going toe to toe with V1 and V2 Raikage right? He Had Sasuke completely Beat in speed to the point you couldn't even compare. Neji would have to pause let out chakra then start spinning, Sasuke who is already faster than Neji by a huge margin + Sharingan to see the chakra build up and the move ment of his muscles AND wouldn't have just finished an attack putting his moment off would be able to dodge that in slow motion.
You understand nothing at all. I'm not talking about speed here, but style. It's Hyuga style which is unpredictable. I never said someone is faster than the other here. Speed has an important place true, but it was the Hyuga style i was talking about when i showed you that pic of Neji. So i don't know why you start talking about base Bee is faster, Sasuke is faster and so on. Neji even has the same speed Sasuke has according to databook, so saying Sasuke is faster by a huge gap is laughable at best. But anyway i'm not getting into this. This thread doesn't even concern Sasuke at all, so i will leave you thinking what you want anyway, so stop talking about Sasuke in this thread, please
You understand nothing at all. I'm not talking about speed here, but style. It's Hyuga style which is unpredictable. I never said someone is faster than the other here. Speed has an important place true, but it was the Hyuga style i was talking about when i showed you that pic of Neji. So i don't know why you start talking about base Bee is faster, Sasuke is faster and so on. Neji even has the same speed Sasuke has according to databook, so saying Sasuke is faster by a huge gap is laughable at best. But anyway i'm not getting into this. This thread doesn't even concern Sasuke at all, so i will leave you thinking what you want anyway, so stop talking about Sasuke in this thread, please
Neji is Neji. Hyuuga's style is Hyuga's style. They are 2things different. KN0 Naruto was simply faster. It's because of his speed that Neji had more difficulties to use his gentle fist style. It doesn't mean that the gentle fist style is predictable, it's actually far from it
Databook is outdated. Were not talking about back then.
Never said that. What i said is that gentle fist is a dangerous fighting style for Tsunade, but it doesn't mean that everyone who can use gentle fist can beat Tsunade(Hinata can't beat Tsunade for example). But someone like Hiashi can because he has superior speed and more proficiency in taijutsu, plus his overpowered vacuum and rotation
Wrong. go and watch neji vs kidomaru a three tome sharingan user like say sasuke would have been screwed if they were to only use taijutsu it is more than obvious that the hyuga are better than the uchiha in taijutsu especially close range even kakashi said when it came to insight even the sharingan didnt compare to the byakugan
Tsunade is a linear type of fighter when Hiashi's style is more raffinated. He is not only landing punches randomly, but pin-pointing chakra networks. One touch with his gentle fist style and Tsunade is done for. Her Byakuyou won't even activate itself. Also, Tsunade's punch is nothing compared to Juubi's powerful tail which was able to destroy blow away thousand fodders, destroy SM Naruto's resilient clone, push a TBB with a finger, yet Hiashi
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. This attack attacks internal organs as well as being a powerful long range attacks(domain where Tsunade lacks in her fighting style)
I believe what you mean to say was that Tsunade can be a very linear fighter. However, not all of her moves are so. For instance, .
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This attack illustrates that Tsunade is willing to use shockwaves, a by product of her strength, to gain an advantage in battle. So Tsunade could feint as though she were going to attack Hiashi directly and could instead strike the ground. Alternatively she can stomp and create even more destruction. Furthermore, Tsunade does not only attack with brute strength but also in ways specific to medical ninjas. Such as targeting pressure points and forcing involuntary reactions.
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She uses medical ninjutsu to scatter brain signals and she uses medical ninjutsu directly as an agent of death.
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Tsunade should have a method of fighting similar to Kabuto as she made a comparison between his fighting style and hers. As Tsunade's style of fighting is so radically different she couldn't make a valid comparison unless she use a method of attack similar to Kabuto. She's proven that PTS Kabuto's strength is no where near her past prime strength (not just physically but all around as a ninja) thus it only stands to reason she was referring to using medical ninjutsu offensively. Even the way the statement was phrased in that it was prefaced to him being a medical ninja before finishing the statement suggests that the following was related to him being a medical ninja.
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As one can pierce organs without piercing the skin it is reasonable with medical ninjutsu she can pierce the skin without touching the person
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And given certain feats of hand speed, we know that Tsunade's hands are incredibly fast even while drunk. Tsunade's hands moved fast enough that not only was she able to disarm and neutralize Naruto but pickpocket him and hide away his wallet all without being seen in the action, while intoxicated.
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Which leads me to the argument that she can strike in a way similar to this:
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If she is without chakra win that attack lands she would still have her natural brute strength and her knowledge of vital areas to rely on spelling death for Hiashi.
Furthermore if Tsunade is in her battle apparel Hiashi's job becomes much more difficult.
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Furthermore, you should stop giving the tail feats of the actual hand. They are different things. And can you show Hakke Kuhekishou damaging vital organs? I believe what was meant in the naruto wikia is that you can decide where you want it to land, like when Neji decided to use it at Kisame's stomach.
Sealing of the chakra points ? If done effectively enough, she's unable to expel any chakra and ultimately unable to use medical ninjutsu to heal from this Tenketsu based damage.
Furthermore, if you consider his immense rotation in the recent chapter, which hints at pretty sizeable chakra reserves. "I don't see Tsunade hurting him" .
Well as I'm sure you are well aware Tsunade is incredibly analytical. She wouldn't fight a Hyuga the same way she fights an Uchiha. Rather than rushing in first, I imagine she would start the fight by summoning Katsuyu. This was the first move she made when she decided to fight Orochimaru seriously. To which the other sannin responded in kind.
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It would seem as though Hiashi has a nice sized chakra reserve and thus I imagine that Tsunade would avoid going hand to hand initially. It would serve her better to allow Katsuyu to take the offense and she take the supporting offense role. Namely through the use of shockwaves. While Katsuyu charges in. Among Katsyuyu's abilities is the ability to divide into many versions of herself. Her full bodied self is capable of spitting acid so it is logical to assume that her minis could as well..
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Or given how Tsunade was able to heal the village through Katsuyu and she was going to kill Orochimaru with Medical Ninjutsu if a small katsuyu a few inches long is stuck on an opponent Tsunade needs only to channel the technique through Katsuyu to kill an opponent. I can see Tsunade enacting this jutsu while multitasking as she always holds the jutsu that keeps her looking young, while using augmented monster strength, while using forbidden jutsus, or how she keeps up her technique while she heals.In addition to the obvious fact that Katsuyu can crush people. Given the crushing power of this mini katsuyu it only stands to reason the a full sized katsuyu would be much more deadly. So having Katsuyu advance in on Hiashi would force Hiashi to defend himself and waste chakra against an opponent he cannot take out.
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We also know that Katsuyu can completely envelop people quickly even without their permission. To which Hiashi would have to use a full body blow to escape once again expending chakra.
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And Tsunade can seeming sense what Katsuyu sees, which is by no means the byakugon nor is it the rinnegan but it does allow her a heightened awareness of her surroundings.
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Katsuyu cannot be harmed cutting or stabbing, and logically then by grinding and as we've seen her withstand Shinra Tensei FP and Chibaku Tensei it is safe to assume she can withstand being crushed or destroyed by pushing based attacks such as Hakke Kuhekishou
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After Katsuyu has forced Hiashi to use a large portion of his chakra she might then transition from her use of shockwaves and throwing projectiles to the use of actual close quartered combat. Before doing so she would activate Byakugou. However she still wouldn't fight in the way we are most accustomed to seeing her fight.Tsunade taught Sakura how to pick up on an opponents method of fighting and alter your own to better defend, and by extension attack
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Because she's gotten to see Hiashi's fighting style when dealing with Katsuyu it is likely she will opt to fight in a more concise manner, meaning lessening her actions to the striking of critical points, or medical offensive ninjutsu, or using Body Pathway Derangement as the first time she makes contact. As the nervous system extends throughout the entire body she need only to touch one of these vital points like on on his arm or finger to render future coherent movement impossible. Also as she is innately familiar with the body, I imagine she is also innately familiar with where the chakra points are in the body (and if she is wearing her battle outfit she already has an advantage), she could fight in such a way that her skills of evasion seek to move vital points out of the way when completely evading an attack is not possible.
The Byakugan can sense all of your opponents attacks.
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To add even more butter to the bread Hiashi can sense killing intent.
Now that I've cleared out that Hiashi will not lose sight and be able to sense Tsunade coming(not in a dirty way xd). Let me explain how he kills them.
Gentle fist requires only a slight touch to damage an opponent.
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Furthermore it damages your internal organs. If hiashi hits either of them in a vital area (chest, kidneys, legs, arms pretty much anywhere) its over. There's more things I can add but I think this gets the point across. Not to mention she's a close range fighter. With katsuya she can spit acid. However Hiashi can use Kaiten the heavenly spin to block it.
Furthermore he can block he tenketsu's, air palm her and knock her down, heavenly spin to block acid from katsuya, and stop creation rebirth. He wins mid difficulty
Let's not use the term sense. Let's call it see in order to prevent any miscommunications or confusion later. Sincing killing intent is pointless as they are apparently in a battle. Tsunade notices details such as erratic hearbeats which can tell when someone is about to attack or when someone is fatigued or even near their limit.
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I would also like to point out that everything you mentioned Hiashi can do I've demonstrated Tsunade can do as well. Perhaps with the exception of closing chakra points. And That's a maybe. I would argue that a medical ninja must know how to treeat injuries of war including closed chakra points and open chakra points.
Byakugan can see incoming attacks easily and has no almost no weak point. Byakugan can sense danger and localise chakra networks. Tsunade's punch would be easily countered by the rotation or chakra barrier. Tsunade is the one who should be smart not be close to him because he is has the superior speed and taijutsu style here. Plus the fact that one touch with his gentle fist and it's over for her. Unfortunately, taijutsu is her main power where she is inferior to him.
So you're aware that Hiashi doesn't really have any speed feats right? And You were falsely assuming the large flashy style of taijutsu it the only thing Tsunade has under her belt. And why the byakugan can see enemies and chakras, Tsunade knows from her expertise where vital points are and she can sense disturbances such as changes in heart patterns to determine whether or not an attack is coming.
Yes. She is. Because she has more than one form of taijutsu as I've stated many times now. Also I would point out the gates doesn't make Gai's skill better so much as it allows him to fight faster and make his attacks stronger. But he skill is equal to that of his Base self. And Tsunade would outclass base Gai.
And she was making reference to an alternative translation of manga 158 page 4.
Since when strength of hundred can heal? It's a powerful punch, point blank. But that punch is nothing against a rotation even able to block Juubi's attack. And Hiashi can use his rotation very fast in close combat even when they are caught off-guard(and that's genin Neji's feat): #
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So if Tsunade tries to come in close range with her punch, she would not only be blown away but she would also receive the damage of chakra repulsion of the rotation. Hiashi than proceeds to finish her with his gentle fist style by pin-pointing her chakra networks.
Um Strength of a Hundred is a way of translating Byakugou. Countered these arguments for the most part. But the dangerous part when using rotation is the period in which your starting and stopping and you are vulnerable to damage.
I would say Hiashi, he seems a lot more fluid in his fights, could use Kaiten to block Tsunade's kick, and her Creation Rebirth wouldn't do much good if her chakra networks are stunned.
Tsunade would have a tougher time than you give Hiashi credit for.
I believe what you mean to say was that Tsunade can be a very linear fighter. However, not all of her moves are so. For instance, .
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This attack illustrates that Tsunade is willing to use shockwaves, a by product of her strength, to gain an advantage in battle. So Tsunade could feint as though she were going to attack Hiashi directly and could instead strike the ground. Alternatively she can stomp and create even more destruction. Furthermore, Tsunade does not only attack with brute strength but also in ways specific to medical ninjas. Such as targeting pressure points and forcing involuntary reactions.
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She uses medical ninjutsu to scatter brain signals and she uses medical ninjutsu directly as an agent of death.
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Tsunade should have a method of fighting similar to Kabuto as she made a comparison between his fighting style and hers. As Tsunade's style of fighting is so radically different she couldn't make a valid comparison unless she use a method of attack similar to Kabuto. She's proven that PTS Kabuto's strength is no where near her past prime strength (not just physically but all around as a ninja) thus it only stands to reason she was referring to using medical ninjutsu offensively. Even the way the statement was phrased in that it was prefaced to him being a medical ninja before finishing the statement suggests that the following was related to him being a medical ninja.
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As one can pierce organs without piercing the skin it is reasonable with medical ninjutsu she can pierce the skin without touching the person
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And given certain feats of hand speed, we know that Tsunade's hands are incredibly fast even while drunk. Tsunade's hands moved fast enough that not only was she able to disarm and neutralize Naruto but pickpocket him and hide away his wallet all without being seen in the action, while intoxicated.
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Which leads me to the argument that she can strike in a way similar to this:
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If she is without chakra win that attack lands she would still have her natural brute strength and her knowledge of vital areas to rely on spelling death for Hiashi.
Furthermore if Tsunade is in her battle apparel Hiashi's job becomes much more difficult.
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Furthermore, you should stop giving the tail feats of the actual hand. They are different things. And can you show Hakke Kuhekishou damaging vital organs? I believe what was meant in the naruto wikia is that you can decide where you want it to land, like when Neji decided to use it at Kisame's stomach.
Well as I'm sure you are well aware Tsunade is incredibly analytical. She wouldn't fight a Hyuga the same way she fights an Uchiha. Rather than rushing in first, I imagine she would start the fight by summoning Katsuyu. This was the first move she made when she decided to fight Orochimaru seriously. To which the other sannin responded in kind.
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It would seem as though Hiashi has a nice sized chakra reserve and thus I imagine that Tsunade would avoid going hand to hand initially. It would serve her better to allow Katsuyu to take the offense and she take the supporting offense role. Namely through the use of shockwaves. While Katsuyu charges in. Among Katsyuyu's abilities is the ability to divide into many versions of herself. Her full bodied self is capable of spitting acid so it is logical to assume that her minis could as well..
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Or given how Tsunade was able to heal the village through Katsuyu and she was going to kill Orochimaru with Medical Ninjutsu if a small katsuyu a few inches long is stuck on an opponent Tsunade needs only to channel the technique through Katsuyu to kill an opponent. I can see Tsunade enacting this jutsu while multitasking as she always holds the jutsu that keeps her looking young, while using augmented monster strength, while using forbidden jutsus, or how she keeps up her technique while she heals.In addition to the obvious fact that Katsuyu can crush people. Given the crushing power of this mini katsuyu it only stands to reason the a full sized katsuyu would be much more deadly. So having Katsuyu advance in on Hiashi would force Hiashi to defend himself and waste chakra against an opponent he cannot take out.
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We also know that Katsuyu can completely envelop people quickly even without their permission. To which Hiashi would have to use a full body blow to escape once again expending chakra.
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And Tsunade can seeming sense what Katsuyu sees, which is by no means the byakugon nor is it the rinnegan but it does allow her a heightened awareness of her surroundings.
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Katsuyu cannot be harmed cutting or stabbing, and logically then by grinding and as we've seen her withstand Shinra Tensei FP and Chibaku Tensei it is safe to assume she can withstand being crushed or destroyed by pushing based attacks such as Hakke Kuhekishou
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After Katsuyu has forced Hiashi to use a large portion of his chakra she might then transition from her use of shockwaves and throwing projectiles to the use of actual close quartered combat. Before doing so she would activate Byakugou. However she still wouldn't fight in the way we are most accustomed to seeing her fight.Tsunade taught Sakura how to pick up on an opponents method of fighting and alter your own to better defend, and by extension attack
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Because she's gotten to see Hiashi's fighting style when dealing with Katsuyu it is likely she will opt to fight in a more concise manner, meaning lessening her actions to the striking of critical points, or medical offensive ninjutsu, or using Body Pathway Derangement as the first time she makes contact. As the nervous system extends throughout the entire body she need only to touch one of these vital points like on on his arm or finger to render future coherent movement impossible. Also as she is innately familiar with the body, I imagine she is also innately familiar with where the chakra points are in the body (and if she is wearing her battle outfit she already has an advantage), she could fight in such a way that her skills of evasion seek to move vital points out of the way when completely evading an attack is not possible.
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Let's not use the term sense. Let's call it see in order to prevent any miscommunications or confusion later. Sincing killing intent is pointless as they are apparently in a battle. Tsunade notices details such as erratic hearbeats which can tell when someone is about to attack or when someone is fatigued or even near their limit.
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I would also like to point out that everything you mentioned Hiashi can do I've demonstrated Tsunade can do as well. Perhaps with the exception of closing chakra points. And That's a maybe. I would argue that a medical ninja must know how to treeat injuries of war including closed chakra points and open chakra points.
So you're aware that Hiashi doesn't really have any speed feats right? And You were falsely assuming the large flashy style of taijutsu it the only thing Tsunade has under her belt. And why the byakugan can see enemies and chakras, Tsunade knows from her expertise where vital points are and she can sense disturbances such as changes in heart patterns to determine whether or not an attack is coming.
Yes. She is. Because she has more than one form of taijutsu as I've stated many times now. Also I would point out the gates doesn't make Gai's skill better so much as it allows him to fight faster and make his attacks stronger. But he skill is equal to that of his Base self. And Tsunade would outclass base Gai.
And she was making reference to an alternative translation of manga 158 page 4.
Um Strength of a Hundred is a way of translating Byakugou. Countered these arguments for the most part. But the dangerous part when using rotation is the period in which your starting and stopping and you are vulnerable to damage.
interesting.... i think the only thing that would be a problem for him would be katsuyu and even though normal attacks dont harm her as she sill uses chakra then katsuyu would be vunerable to ckakra vacuum palm and the reason i know chakra vacuum palm can harm her is that it is classified as a gentlle fist technique which means even the slightest tap can cause massive internal dammage. now thats just one tap imagine the vacuum palm used to block the juubi's hand katsuyu's chakra system would be destroyed
this is from naruto wikia : "The Gentle Fist (柔拳, Jūken) or Gentle Fist Art (柔拳法, Jūkenpō) is a form of hand-to-hand combat used by members of the Hyūga clan. It inflicts internal damage through attacking the body's Chakra Pathway System"
Bogard, you have truly fallen, sorry to say it. I mean, you started to ride the Hyuugas every since the whole pairing stuff. Ntz, ntz.
And how have you fallen? By saying that Byakugan has sensing abilities. That's is the wrongest thing I've ever heard.
Byakugan was praised for its insight, not for sensing, so stop overrating it and adding things that have never been stated in the manga.
Not to mention that this is saying like Neji vs Tsunade.
People forget that she is a bit different than the others and even if you close the chakra points, if you don't hit a certain point it's for nothing. Not mentioning that the healing via Yin Seal can be done with no hand signs.
Anyway, I won't even go further.... Yes, it is gentle fist, however she had her muscles cut, respiratory ways ****ed-up, heart pierced and was still able to fight... so gentle fist won't do that much damage.
Not to mention that is similar with Chakra scalpel fighting style, meaning in a CQC while Hiashi can supposedly close some of her points, she cuts some of his muscles. She can heal herself, however, he can't.
Anyway, I went too much with this... I wasn't even intending to get in, just wanted to say that you are starting to fall a bit by adding some stuff to people that we aren't even certain of.
Meh,anyway...
Bogard, you have truly fallen, sorry to say it. I mean, you started to ride the Hyuugas every since the whole pairing stuff. Ntz, ntz.
And how have you fallen? By saying that Byakugan has sensing abilities. That's is the wrongest thing I've ever heard.
Byakugan was praised for its insight, not for sensing, so stop overrating it and adding things that have never been stated in the manga.
Not to mention that this is saying like Neji vs Tsunade.
People forget that she is a bit different than the others and even if you close the chakra points, if you don't hit a certain point it's for nothing. Not mentioning that the healing via Yin Seal can be done with no hand signs.
Anyway, I won't even go further.... Yes, it is gentle fist, however she had her muscles cut, respiratory ways ****ed-up, heart pierced and was still able to fight... so gentle fist won't do that much damage.
Not to mention that is similar with Chakra scalpel fighting style, meaning in a CQC while Hiashi can supposedly close some of her points, she cuts some of his muscles. She can heal herself, however, he can't.
Anyway, I went too much with this... I wasn't even intending to get in, just wanted to say that you are starting to fall a bit by adding some stuff to people that we aren't even certain of.
Meh,anyway...
My only question is can tsunade heal from damage to her chakra pathway system if so then tsunade will probaly win IF she can heal that kind of damage. someone please answer my question cause i have no idea
My only question is can tsunade heal from damage to her chakra pathway system if so then tsunade will probaly win IF she can heal that kind of damage. someone please answer my question cause i have no idea
Yin Seal (either Byakugou or Sozo Saisei). Every damage is healed. It is similar to how you would cut the muscles, no way to send chakra to where you need it, yet she's been already through that.
It doesn't damage the chakra pathway system, it damages the inner coils, it would be how you're closing a door.
Not to mention she can reconstruct limbs, organs and stuff like that.
Bogard, you have truly fallen, sorry to say it. I mean, you started to ride the Hyuugas every since the whole pairing stuff. Ntz, ntz.
And how have you fallen? By saying that Byakugan has sensing abilities. That's is the wrongest thing I've ever heard.
Byakugan was praised for its insight, not for sensing, so stop overrating it and adding things that have never been stated in the manga.
Not to mention that this is saying like Neji vs Tsunade.
People forget that she is a bit different than the others and even if you close the chakra points, if you don't hit a certain point it's for nothing. Not mentioning that the healing via Yin Seal can be done with no hand signs.
Anyway, I won't even go further.... Yes, it is gentle fist, however she had her muscles cut, respiratory ways ****ed-up, heart pierced and was still able to fight... so gentle fist won't do that much damage.
Not to mention that is similar with Chakra scalpel fighting style, meaning in a CQC while Hiashi can supposedly close some of her points, she cuts some of his muscles. She can heal herself, however, he can't.
Anyway, I went too much with this... I wasn't even intending to get in, just wanted to say that you are starting to fall a bit by adding some stuff to people that we aren't even certain of.
Meh,anyway...
This is why I don't bother getting into debates with Hyuuga fans in general. They usually don't know what they're talking about. Pretty bias bunch.
Anyway OT: Tsunade only needs to land 1 punch to Hiashi. Gentle fist works by deflecting punches so if Hiashi plans on using gentle fist he has to risk getting killed. Rotation in general won't even effect Tsunade as her durability is to high. Byuga also serves as a way to replenish her chakra network much like how NAruto used the fox against NEji.
True, she can create crater but that is called fighting with intelligence. It doesn't change the fact that her main taijutsu is still linear. She did that only one time during the entire manga and that was against a genin who was still learning to form a rasengan correctly. Against Orochimaru she attacked him directly in taijutsu. The same goes against Pain were she wanted to attack them directly but was surpassed in speed by Asura. The same goes against Madara were she attacked him directly despite him having Susanoo
So Tsunade could feint as though she were going to attack Hiashi directly and could instead strike the ground.
Striking the ground randomly doesn't have a great impact in battle. I think every fast opponent could dodge these kind of attacks. The time she takes to punch the ground, it's clearly noticeable and dodgeable for someone with decent speed exactly like Kabuto
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, especially if we talk about a taijutsu specialist with Byakugan to sense all incoming attacks around him, who can even detect
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. On the other hand, Tsunade would have a hard time to dodge
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since it's air pressure difficult to see or predict and its power is so great that it was even able to push something as huge as a Tailed beast. Tsunade would receive damage of the attack. She could even be killed by this attack since if it's able to push back something as huge as a tailed beast, plus the fact it destroys internal targets, it can easily kill normal humans
Alternatively she can stomp and create even more destruction. Furthermore, Tsunade does not only attack with brute strength but also in ways specific to medical ninjas. Such as targeting pressure points and forcing involuntary reactions.
I notice that you like to compare Tsunade to genin Naruto as if he was a reference in speed or something like this. He was too inexperimented and slow at that moment. I can show you some pics where he was totally blitzed by a Kakashi here(he didn't even have time to react when he was far from him from the start):
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Like when he was reading his book and not even paying attention to him at all
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Like when he had time to switch himself with naruto's clone without he even got time to notice until it was too late:
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Kabuto was totally playing with him and his kage bunshins as if they were not even existing
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Kabuto said he was too slow, had time to dodge his rasengan and cut his femur bone:
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It's why i don't understand why you show feats against an experimented and a slow genin like Naruto to compare to elite ninjas like Hiashi and so on. They are in complete different levels
She uses medical ninjutsu to scatter brain signals and she uses medical ninjutsu directly as an agent of death.
I don't know why you show this to me either. I don't see where it help in this fight. Gentle fist can stop chakra to flow in the body. She needs chakra to use her medical ninjutsus. That is why it's useless from the moment she got stopped by gentle fist in taijutsu
Furthermore, you should stop giving the tail feats of the actual hand. They are different things. And can you show Hakke Kuhekishou damaging vital organs?
Of course they are different since a tail is much more powerful than a normal hand. Concerning hakke kuhekishou the description comes from databook. I can show you if you want. This is it:
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"Taking aim at the enemy's vitals and releasing an ultrahigh-speed palm thrust!!
A "vacuum shell" compressed using the "Gentle Fist" is shot out at the enemy's vitals under tremendous pressure!! A short to mid-range attack that more than covers the weakness of taijutsu"
And this is Neji's version which is fodder level compared to Hiashi's
Well as I'm sure you are well aware Tsunade is incredibly analytical. She wouldn't fight a Hyuga the same way she fights an Uchiha. Rather than rushing in first, I imagine she would start the fight by summoning Katsuyu.
Well, even if she summons katsuyu, what stops Hiashi from attacking her directly. Why will he attack Katsuyu instead if he sees he can't kill katsuyu? And it's even doubtful if the vacuum can't have a great impact even on katsuyu if it's able to stop even Juubi's tail which is almost as big if not bigger than Katsuyu and like i've said, it attacks internal organs
It would seem as though Hiashi has a nice sized chakra reserve and thus I imagine that Tsunade would avoid going hand to hand initially. It would serve her better to allow Katsuyu to take the offense and she take the supporting offense role. Namely through the use of shockwaves. While Katsuyu charges in.
I don't understand something. So your saying that Tsunade will summon katsuyu and attack Hiashi at the same time? I thought you would have said she will only let katsuyu attack while she is hiding. If she attacks directly, she should be in danger because of gentle fist style and the vacuum(which attacks from far distance). Again, this attack was able to push back even the Juubi's tail. It could be easy for him to attack Tsunade from that distance and it would stop her chakra networks and make Byakuyou ineffectiv. Katsuyu acid is useless against the rotation or chakra barrier. Even if he is smh surprised by the attack, we've seen it's easy for a byakugan user to liberate his quantity of chakra rapidely from every part of his body, create the rotation and deliver the damage. Tsunade would struggle if she gets hit by that and he proceeds to use the 64palms to finish her
Bogard, you have truly fallen, sorry to say it. I mean, you started to ride the Hyuugas every since the whole pairing stuff. Ntz, ntz.
And how have you fallen? By saying that Byakugan has sensing abilities. That's is the wrongest thing I've ever heard.
Byakugan was praised for its insight, not for sensing, so stop overrating it and adding things that have never been stated in the manga.
Not to mention that this is saying like Neji vs Tsunade.
People forget that she is a bit different than the others and even if you close the chakra points, if you don't hit a certain point it's for nothing. Not mentioning that the healing via Yin Seal can be done with no hand signs.
Anyway, I won't even go further.... Yes, it is gentle fist, however she had her muscles cut, respiratory ways ****ed-up, heart pierced and was still able to fight... so gentle fist won't do that much damage.
Not to mention that is similar with Chakra scalpel fighting style, meaning in a CQC while Hiashi can supposedly close some of her points, she cuts some of his muscles. She can heal herself, however, he can't.
Anyway, I went too much with this... I wasn't even intending to get in, just wanted to say that you are starting to fall a bit by adding some stuff to people that we aren't even certain of.
Meh,anyway...
Well you were not there when the debate started so you may not know what really happened. The fact is that i created
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to say that Hiashi is kage level. Then Tazilla said that he couldn't beat Tsunade, where i replied that he can. Then Taz said i should create a thread so that we could exchange our point or view. It's the only reason of this thread. I wanted to exchange my point with Tazilla and explain why for me, Hiashi has greater chance to win. Not trying to ride the Hyugas or something, but trying to prove my point why i believe Hiashi capacities are simply a bad match up for Tsunade and he has shown incredible feats in last chapter that should not be underrated. If it makes you happy, you must know that i believe he has a chance to beat Kakashi as well
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