The real truth about the Sage's Sons and the 6 Paths! (Logic)

ImNoOne

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This is long but it's worth reading, I tried to break it as much as I could so please do not give up half way through!

So I was wondering...

What do we know for a fact that can be reliable on?

1st - The Sage had two sons.

2nd - One was born with the eyes of the sage and his powerful chakra, the Elder, the other was born with the sage's body and physical life force, the Younger.

3rd - The Elder brother gave birth to the Uchiha and their powerful chakra and Sharingan. The Younger brother gave birth to the Senju and their large amount of chakra and strong bodies.

These are facts!...

Or are they?

Let's deconstruct these facts form the bottom up, and analyse them with the info given to us by the very same person who was the source to all we know of the two brothers.

As the last is always the first let's start with the third and the second.

The Juubi and his Jinchuriki:
The Sage in order to control the Juubi had to seal the beast inside of himself, therefore becoming (supposedly as this was never actually confirmed) the very first Jinchuriki.
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Later, when he was older, the sage divided the Juubi's chakra into Nine newly created forms. That little resemblance had with the Juubi. But his form was like the scan below shows:
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If we pay attention we will see that the tomoes that compose the famous Sharingans are displayed in the Juubi's eye.

So far so good, but then it get's tricky...
The Sage sealed the Juubi inside himself, and we can assume that just like the later Jinchurikis, chakra from the sealed beast must have leaked into the Sage's own chakra. Giving him physical treats of the beast. These treats are thought to have been passed down to one of his sons, hence why later on the Uchiha's ended up with a dojutso that was extremely similar to the Juubi's eye.
Yet as one son received these treats inevitably passed down by the Juubi via the Sage, the other seem to have been untouched by the Juubi's influence.
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This would represent no problem unless!... Gods be good!! it was the older son that was affected and the younger that born untethered. What an odd thing to happen, did the Sage unsealed the Juubi from within himself between the birth of the two brothers? But that's impossible! He only did that when he was very old and close to his death!

The answer is simple, the so called Younger brother is actually the Elder brother! Hence why Hashirama wanted to enforce the Hidden Villages System which relayed on Power to maintain the peace, as of Madara he wants to create a world where there is no war, no suffer only love, where everybody is a winner and no one needs leaders and is free to be happy.

There was an error in the story Tobi/Obito told us, the two brothers were misplaced. Probably the Elder brother (Father to the Senju) tried to hide the truth by twisting the answers and hence taking the title of heir to the Sage of Six Paths to himself. And the Younger brother (Father to the Uchiha) was labelled as a Hater and an enemy of peace. The resemblance of his eyes with the eyes of the Juubi probably took a big role on making the people believing the Elder brother, as they maybe still remember the sight of the Juubi and mistrusted the eyes of the Younger brother.

Now with that clear let's move on to the final and first point.

We know that this Younger and Elder brother were sons of the Sage, but why do we say they are the sons of the Sage? Why would ther only be two? In fact Tobi/Obito hints that this is not the case at all.

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Here he says that the Senju and the Uchiha were once one and the same, and that the Sage was the two boodlines in one. But unlike many here in the base like to state as a dogma, Tobi/Obito does not state that Senju and Uchiha in a single blood line were all that the Sage was.

He actually implies quite otherwise that Senju and Uchiha (Elder and Younger) merely and only part of what the Sage was. The two clans are only two of the 6! Each clan a Path, the Senju and the Uchiha are two of the Paths.
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This means that the Sage had more sons, sons who must have inherited some of the Sage's prodigeous powers and probably some of the Juubi's too. Sons that could have had treats from both the Elder and Younger or even different ones. One of these 6 sons must have been the Father (or Mother) to the Uzumaki.

With the life force of the Senju and the ability to control the Rinnegan, it's a mix without being neither!

So this is my theory about the sons of the Sage, the 6 Paths!
 

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Geez idk but that's a very well put theory...+For your efforts...

Now that i think about it again .... That would explain the uzumakis and hyuga's lol.......

It's Plausible :D
 

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Thanks for reading it through. I have the tendency to write a bit too much and was afraid no one would actually read it whole.
 

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Yeah, I don't want to sound cocky but this is the best explanation to Nagato's abilities and the relation between Senju and Uzumaki so far.
 

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Can you please put a TL;DR version
I am not trying to be rude but i am tired and i cant read all of that :/
 

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I think you might be right. As sasukexx13 stated this would explain the Hyuga and Uzamaki clans. That's four sons right?
Now I think that Juugo's clan might have been a son or daughter from the sage. Thoughts?
I wouldn't know what clan the sixth son would be.
 
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Can you please put a TL;DR version
I am not trying to be rude but i am tired and i cant read all of that :/

That's hard but I'll try.
You'll have to read it all for the proof and logic behind it but the main points are:

- The Elder and Younger brother might have been the other way around.
- The Sage had 6 Sons and not only two.
-The Uzumaki are also a clan that originated from the Sage himself.
 

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+ rep for effort, but I lost interest when it said the Senju relied on power and the Uchiha believed in love:|
 

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+ rep for effort, but I lost interest when it said the Senju relied on power and the Uchiha believed in love:|

That point is the least important one and I must admit it's there for a pinch of salt, although it makes you think where is the logic behind the Elder son being the one the recieves influence from the Juubi, as if only one would have recieve it should be the Younger one...
 

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I think you might be right. As sasukexx13 stated this would explain the Hyuga and Uzamaki clans. That's four sons right?
Now I think that Juugo's clan might have been a son or daughter from the sage. Thoughts?
I wouldn't know what clan the sixth son would be.

I had my thoughts on that too but I didn't wanted to overburden the thread any longer, it's large enough as it is now...
 
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Wow... That last point, where tobi says "Two of the 6 paths are now one!" really made me believe there is more to the story than we were lead to believe
 

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so so far we got 5 Senju Uchiha Uzumaki Hyuuga and cursemark hmm one more not sure there are even any more related clans only named clans i can remember plus the ones up there are Inuzuka Yamanaka Akimichi nara aburame oh and Edo!! its a clan.... maybe Lol
 

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Wow... That last point, where tobi says "Two of the 6 paths are now one!" really made me believe there is more to the story than we were lead to believe

Yes, that's actually what started the whole theory on my mind. You can't be more straight forward than that, the Uchiha and the Senju are only TWO of the SIX Paths!

That explains in perfection why did Madara sick an Uzumaki to recieve his Rinnegan. He gave it to Nagato because through Nagato the Rinnegan became even more complete.

That also explains why simply implanting Hashirama's DNA onto himself was not enough to awaken the Rinnegan immediately.
 

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Wow I luv everything u said, makes more sense than most theories here, u should work with kishi
 

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Never thought about this way. Nice thread and original one too.
 

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By saying two of the six paths became one, he just meant Uchiha + Senju DNA

I wonder in this case what the other 4 paths are tho..
 

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I think you might be right. As sasukexx13 stated this would explain the Hyuga and Uzamaki clans. That's four sons right?
Now I think that Juugo's clan might have been a son or daughter from the sage. Thoughts?
I wouldn't know what clan the sixth son would be.

Maybe tyhe kin/gin kaku bros clan
 

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By saying two of the six paths became one, he just meant Uchiha + Senju DNA

I wonder in this case what the other 4 paths are tho..

He clearly implies that the Sons are the Paths.
 
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