Shino, definitely in the top 3 of konoha 11

[Arcaneos510X]

Shino is strong yes...

 

[Icelerate]

Well I see Shino getting underrated in this thread but no he isn't top three in Konoha 11.

It goes like this:
1. Rock Lee
2. Neji
3. Choji
4. Sai (If we were to include him instead of Naruto)
5. Shino
6. Shikamaru
7. Sakura
8. Kiba
9. Hinata
10. Tenten
11. Ino

Anyway Shino would most likely lose to the people who I put above him although Choji VS Shino or Sai VS Shino has the potential to be an interesting fight. When Lee goes in gates, the perspiration he gives off will overwhelm the bugs and so will Neji's kaiten.

 

[Tangerine]

Shino, although highly underrated has shown his worth many times in the series.
One of the better rookies, he was always calm during the invasion. Easily countered the genjutsu and defeated kankuro.
In the anime, he was able to stand his ground against the likes of guren with kakashi and yamato while the others struggled.
He is the 2nd or maybe the 3rd most clever shinobi after shikamaru and neji(maybe)
He is better in combat skills than the likes of shikamaru and kiba.
Always been better than the kunoichies.
No comparison with choji who just has muscle power to show.
So, yeah he maybe the best after naruto(definitely) and neji(doubtable)

Anime doesn't count as canon. His fight with Kankuro showed that he can analyse his opponent and come up with a tactic on the spot, even issuing out commands while heavily poisoned.

I agree with you up to Kankuro, since then Shino has done practically nothing since then except fail. In terms of canon fights he was useless against tobi, and then Konan nearly solo'd his entire clan......not such good feats.
Nothing except fail? His Insect Globe it what allowed them to get the chance to work out "Tobi's" secret. Konan didn't even hit them, she just escaped and it was the Aburame who attacked her. Now recently Shino has added a new useful technique to his arsenal.
And it's rather hypocritical of you to say Shino has failed when your favourite character not only hasn't fought one-on-one since part one as well (and has the same amount of battles as Shino; two), but upon receiving praise of his "better than a hound's" sense of smell only to have it easily fooled by Karin. By the way, she's the third person to render his nose useless, Naruto being the first and Sakon or Ukon being second. Not to mention this certain unnamed character has yet to show a new technique throughout Shippuden when Shino has shown two.
Sorry, but I'm baffled as to how someone who claims to generally like Shino can be so incredibly biased against him.

No he doesn't. His intellect isn't as good as Shikamaru's but he is tactically better then Kiba. Kiba on the other hand has much stronger combat skills, since shino is useless in taijutsu, speed and strength (databook 3 stats).
What he lacks in close-combat and movements he makes up for in his bugs. They can clone, sense, overwhelm, keep Shino's distance, etc. He also has better stamina than Kiba and uses less energy.

This i agree with. Shino's advantage comes from the opponent not knowing he uses bugs. But if the opponent knows then the strategy isn't as affective. It's his intelligence that allows him to win. Shino introduced his insects to Zaku and won. Kankuro saw them during that match and still ended up chakra exhausted. One example is his fight with Kankuro which would have ended in Shino dying but kankuro surviving had people not intervened. People with strong attacks can easily overwhelm him if they know they need to avoid his bugs - this is even easier if you have a byakugan or are Kiba since they can sense where the bugs and the original are at all times.
Knowing is not the same as avoiding. Neji and Kiba as such can potentially do so due to their speed and attacks, but due to Shino's intelligence and the advantage he has of keeping his distance and overwhelming with insects can be just as effective.

Sakura only needs to land one hit on Shino She'd be doing him a favour. Instant bug attack.
Kiba is the same as Sakura, and Akamaru's help would make it easier Shino keeps distance and overwhelms them.
Hinata, did you see her against Pain ? How will Shino handle that power Hinata did nothing against Pain and Lions Fist is a personal attack, like Sakura she'd be doing him a favour.
Tenten is a long range fighter. She knows that she should stay away from the bugs and use her weapons instead Shino's long range and would know to steer clear of her weapons. He also has the aid of cloning himself and sensing. Tenten, however, has nothing else.

=_= thats why you plan ahead so they don't surround you. Neji, Hinata and Kiba all have the capacity to know exactly where the bugs and the original shino are at all times. They therefore make sure they don't get cornered and always attack the original and not a clone. With shino's advantage done, he is basically a sitting duck since he has shown no skill in any area outside his clans jutsu.
Shino has shown that with a short amount of time he can work out his opponent's abilities and counter them. Against Zaku he had a trump card before the fight even started, against Kankuro he was quick to note the Puppeteer was bad in close-range. Shino analysis the techniques of Neji, Hinata and Kiba and in a short time can/will be able to form a counter.

long range alone will beat sakura, neji, hinata and kiba because they cant get close to hit shino while shino can just keep his distance and surround them

ten ten cant do anythin, she can throw kunai but shino will surround her with bugs like he did to obito and she will be finished

ino is needs no explaination

shikamaru is a close/med range fighter and shino is a little intelligent too, but again shikamaru will get surrounded by bugs
shikamaru isnt a fighter

like i said rock lee, sai and MAYBE choji are the only ones that can beat shino

Bold: Agreed. I'm not sure of Sai, but I agree with the other two. He might have a chance if he can chakra-drain them before they transform.

His bugs have to reach Neji first which would never happen because Neji can see them before they surround him. Also have you forgotten Neji has rotation?

How much stamina does Rotation drain? I'm almost certain it tires Neji out considerably.

How cool would that be if shino got a giant bug summon

Awesome cool.

They know they have to avoid getting surrounded... -_-
That idea works for Shino as well. Knowing what to avoid, I mean.

Neji has rotation Which tires him out considerably?

Hinata can shoot chakra from her chakra spots No she can't.

Kiba has fang over fang Shino has intelligence and can overwhelm

Tenten's Kunai will pierce Shino before the bugs reach her Yes, because Shino would be staying in one spot... Shino has the option of making a clone at least, so Tenten gets swarmed.

Same with Shikamaru's Shadow Difference is that a shadow-grabbed Shino can still attack. A bug-cased Shikamaru can not.

Sakura is a medical nin, who's first priority is evasion. She won't get caught by the bugs. Yeah, she will. Kikaichu work by surrounding an area on a whole. She'll get caught and be unable to escape. Even her option to punch Shino makes her easy prey.

Neji and Hinata have long-range attacks and PERFECT AWARENESS OF WHERE ALL OF THE BUGS ARE AT ALL TIMES.
Yet Hinata has never shown amazing reaction speed. Her only long distance attack is Air Palm and that focuses on one point, allowing Shino's insects to surround her from other sides.

Sakura 1-hit-KO's, and is VERY good at evasion. She has a chance. I doubt she's dodging hundreds of tiny insects, evading them is different to avoiding one person. If by chance she does she still can't punch him. Doing so would make it easy for Shino to bug swarm her.

Kiba has a slightly lesser awareness of where everything is (scent isn't as fast as sight), but he also has a good idea of where EVERYTHING Shino can do is. Gatsuga shreds everything Shino can do, attack or defense.
Insects are tiny and light, at most they'd be blown away. His insects also survived a direct blast of wind with most of them surviving (Zaku fight). Shino's also a highly analytical long-distance fighter that shows he can work out and counter an enemy in a short amount of time, even using the opponent's ability against them. Kiba's sense of smell can be easily dealt with, Shino is smart enough to work a way around it.

Tenten has the banana fan. She can BURN EVERYTHING. If not, she'll box him in somehow with insane amounts of ranged weaponry. She no longer has the fan and it will be Shino's insects that will do the boxing in.

Shikamaru is very aware of Shino's capabilities, and could take him. Bugs are a bad matchup for him, but Shika has already demonstrated that he can, for example, use MASSIVE amounts of explosives. Which would keep the bugs at a distance. Shika is not to be underestimated.
Shikamaru is unaware of Bug Clone and Bug Globe. Assuming Shino hasn't tattle-taled.

Yep and that fight would have resulted in Kankuro's win and Shino's loss if it wasn't for Shino's dad intervening. Kankuro was seen later, yet Shino would have died from poison. Its an example, but an example of how he can be beaten when the opponent knowns how his jutsu work.
No, Shino took Kankuro down with no help from his father. The only thing Shibi did was save his son's life. Shino won fair and square. Kankuro was beaten because Shino worked out the weakness and came up with the strategy. Even if Kankuro knew how Shino's technique worked he is weak in close-range and Shino's insects had the advantage of rendering Karasu useless by blocking the joints.

Sakura is debatable since she is a master dodger She has to get close, which is a horrible move on an Aburame, Hinata has byakugan so can see where the bugs are at all times an plan accordingly Hinata's shown no amazing reaction speed and has never planned her moves. Kiba is a special case since he has the same sensing capability as Hinata which can be rendered useless, the speed to close the gap very quickly Agreed and could actually kill shino with fang-over-fang given that it goes through rocks easily and is taijutsu based (i.e. the bugs can't stop it since its taijutsu)

Shikamaru has proven deadly with a small arsenal and a massive brain - he has all the knowledge he needs of shino's jutsu, he would have a counter strategy.
Shino would actually be the same (save for "massive brain"). He has a small arsenal and works out weakness and counters in a short time. He can also at least attack if caught. Shikamaru can't.

he needs prep time to use STRONGER bugs

I don't think so...

Of course with byakugan you would be able to see neji behind the bugs, but it'd be very confusing to keep track of every bug, and if you focus on something behind them, you can't focus on what is in front of you.
I believe Shino can overwhelm and tire Neji out.

How does Shino stop someone attacking him directly if he doesn't have bugs set up? Thats an Aburame's weakness. If the person knows he is going for a bug set up they will bypass everything else then attack the bug user directly. Apart from insect clone he doesn't have anything to counter a direct attack. Even then insect clone is useless against Kiba, Hinata and Neji.
If Shino losing because of his opponent only needing to know of the bugs then it should be the same for Shino. He's pretty damn good at keeping distance, analysis weakness and countering. Shino takes note of his weakness and ensures it won't be a problem, he does this by the use of distractions and a false trump card or two that hides the true trump.

I'm not trying to say shino is crap, he is incredibly underdeveloped, but based on current feats he isn't a very competent shinobi.
And Kiba is...?

Neji is a MASTER of gentle fist taijutsu which is Shino's weakness for 1. If the bugs try to surround him he has rotaion. If the bugs are on his skin he can release chakra from his body.

Weak at Taijutsu or not, getting close and personal to Shino is a terrible idea if you don't have a counter to his bugs.

Neji is nothing in front of Shino. Neji is just a short range taijutsu type while Shino is long range type. He can fight with his bugs at a distance. The only possible moves Neji can do at this situation is use his charkra barrier, eventually he'll run out, I also believe if these bugs feed on chakra they should feed on/eat through the barrier.
Keep distance + bug swarm to overwhelm + Neji having to get close and risk being bugged + gets tired from overuse of Byakugan and/or Rotation (maybe Blow Body) = win for Shino. =)

Shino's biggest weakness is Taijutsu which Neji is a master in.

Which Shino has a defense for, depending on the user.

I don't get your point. The match started, shino didn't have insects prepped and he got attack directly and fu@ked up. It was only after that he had enough time to encircle his opponent (it was a very small ring mind you) then order them to block the enemies wind arms. The point is that someone with a strong attack could do exactly that at the very start of the battle and kill or incapacitate shino right then and there.

After Zaku's arm was blasted Shino explained that before the match even began he told his insects to "block those annoying holes with your body and keep still". Shino being blasted was part of his false trump card + true trump card strategy he had. He had control of the situation from the start against an opponent he knew little of. I'm not even sure how he knew Zaku could channel wind from his arms.

Lengthy and repetitive in parts, I know. Shino gets a lot of unfair shit towards him and I don't get the chance to defend him as much as I'd like.

By the way, it was never stated Shino was terrible in Taijutsu. He's so far only had to block a punch, faux punch an opponent (which worked) and has never been forced to engage in hand-to-hand.

 

[Omnipotent]

Alright, my comment was a bit short, but Shino would lose to

Naruto
Chouji
Neji
Rock Lee
Sakura
Kiba
Hinata
Tenten

The main reason being that they are perfectly aware of the fact that he uses bugs, so they know they'll have to watch out for that

And how would Tenten deal with it? Or Hinata?

 

[phantomlord22]

Neji
lee
shikamaru
shino

I agree

 

[The Alchemist]

Top 5 yes but not top 3. Naruto, Rock Lee, Neji, Sakura, Shino

Sakura? Just cause she's strong doesn't mean she could be Shino. His bugs would destroy her.

 

[Narutofan4203]

Shino, although highly underrated has shown his worth many times in the series.
One of the better rookies, he was always calm during the invasion. Easily countered the genjutsu and defeated kankuro.
In the anime, he was able to stand his ground against the likes of guren with kakashi and yamato while the others struggled.
Still, he is shown to be like the other idiots in konoha 11.
He is the 2nd or maybe the 3rd most clever shinobi after shikamaru and neji(maybe)
He is better in combat skills than the likes of shikamaru and kiba.
Always been better than the kunoichies.
No comparison with choji who just has muscle power to show.
So, yeah he maybe the best after naruto(definitely) and neji(doubtable)

With Rotation, neji and hinata destroy him.
Gates lee can also do really good against him.
And kin's genjutsu was filler, in the manga she simply through a shitload of needles at vital spots.
Ino's mindswitch can get him.
Shino's in the middle, Imo, but yeah he's very powerful

 

[Tangerine]

With Rotation, neji and hinata destroy him.
Gates lee can also do really good against him.
And kin's genjutsu was filler, in the manga she simply through a shitload of needles at vital spots.
Ino's mindswitch can get him.
Shino's in the middle, Imo, but yeah he's very powerful

Hinata doesn't have Rotation.
Lee uses Gates only as a last resort.
Shino can block the mindswitch with hundreds of insects. Ino will find it hard to get the chance.

 

[FoxSikes]

I think top 3 is Naruto Neji and Lee and if you dont count naruto, I think its Neji, lee, and Shikamaru. Shika is very good and under rated

 

[FoxSikes]

Hinata doesn't have Rotation.
Lee uses Gates only as a last resort.
Shino can block the mindswitch with hundreds of insects. Ino will find it hard to get the chance.

How come Hinata doesnt ahve rotation? I though she had it since she can use vacuum Palm?

 

[Tangerine]

I think top 3 is Naruto Neji and Lee and if you dont count naruto, I think its Neji, lee, and Shikamaru. Shika is very good and under rated

No offense, but Shikamaru is overrated as people think his intelligence can deal with any situation.

How come Hinata doesnt ahve rotation? I though she had it since she can use vacuum Palm?

Simply because she's never been shown using it. Vacuum Palm and Rotation are Hyuga techniques, but not directly related.

 

[jiraiya lives]

you know how hard it is to dodge a million bugs coming at you?

that that hard if you got lee's speed

 

[FoxSikes]

No offense, but Shikamaru is overrated as people think his intelligence can deal with any situation.


Simply because she's never been shown using it. Vacuum Palm and Rotation are Hyuga techniques, but not directly related.

Vacuum palm is a concentrated version of rotation as said by Narutopedia

 

[jiraiya lives]

Neji
lee
shikamaru
shino

I agree

you know you put him at number 4 when were talking about top 3

 

[Tangerine]

Vacuum palm is a concentrated version of rotation as said by Narutopedia

I don't see it saying that. Even so, Vacuum Palm concentrates on one area, the palm. Rotation is different and takes far more event as chakra is expelled from the whole body.

Edit: Never mind. Found it. Forgot it was also called "Revolving Heaven".
This technique is similar in practice to Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven, but has a specific target rather than a general area.
I still stick with my previous mention of it being difficult compared to Vacuum Palm.

 

[FoxSikes]

I don't see it saying that. Even so, Air Palm concentrates on one area, the palm. Rotation is different and takes far more event as chakra is expelled from the whole body.

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[Tangerine]

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Look up. I've already corrected my previous post.

 

[Gdamon]

Shino is powerful, but we don't see him do much...

 

[Edo Odin]

use your brains before replying.........go back to season 1 and watch all over again...

How will Shino beat them ?

You have Naruto losing?

Any Chakra leech fears going against a sage. The sage lets you (or your bugs or your sword or whatever) absorb nature energy and BAM your a toad statue. Pain found that out the hard way, and Kisame knew to give Jiraya a wide berth for just such a reason.

And the bug clone would also be instantly differentitated by the sage. The bugs are useless to Shino against any sage, Naruto included. So Naruto can sense the bugs to avoid them, or allow them to hit him and take on nature energy and get stoned... either way the bugs are neutralized.

And the reason for the under rating of Shino is that Naruto is very nearly the narrator of the series. Naruto has his mental faculties stretched to even remember Shino's name (an obvious running joke, and Shino plays it up for laughs too). If Shino showcased his skills like Konohamaru gets to then Naruto might remember him and the running joke goes away.

Sorry to the Shino fans, but his place is second banana and a running joke. That Shino actually is competent and would outclass so many of the more visible ninja peers in his village make the joke even more comical. lol

I was being sarcastic... :|

still not that easy . on that last only 3 can defeat shino , the rest are dumb and will make stupid moves ... so

The K11 all know of Shino's moves, so they'll watch out for them. His main advantage in battle is the fact that noone expects cockroaches to start swarming out of their opponent.

And how would Tenten deal with it? Or Hinata?

Tenten's weapon attacks are underrated. She knows about Shino's bugs and can avoid them, but how is Shino going to avoid all of Tenten's weapons at once ?

Hinata is a Hyuuga, and can emit chakra from all chakra holes. The bugs may feed on chakra, but it can still hurt them. A person could be killed by getting hit with a turkey. Even if you feed on it, it can still hurt you

 

[Piratefish]

Yet Hinata has never shown amazing reaction speed. Her only long distance attack is Air Palm and that focuses on one point, allowing Shino's insects to surround her from other sides.

Lion fist was powerful enough to shatter Pein's metal rods, any insect caught in it would be fried. And if the Hyuuga are capable of one, single, thing, it's moving their hands quickly. In close range, she'd stomp. At long range, she has one VERY effective defense at the very least, and at mid range she has Hakke Kushou and can perform the stronger version in conjunction with Neji. Presumably she can use it on her own if she uses both hands. Not saying the battle is decisively in her favor, but, she DOES have the advantage.

I doubt she's dodging hundreds of tiny insects, evading them is different to avoiding one person. If by chance she does she still can't punch him. Doing so would make it easy for Shino to bug swarm her.

Well Sasori doubted she'd be able to survive the Third Kazekage's attacks, even WITH Chiyo's help. And those were on a FAR higher scale, in size and speed, to anything Shino has shown. If she stays at range she can evade. If she gets close she MAY be covered and drained, but she may ALSO land a hit on Shino. Which would be fatal.

Insects are tiny and light, at most they'd be blown away. His insects also survived a direct blast of wind with most of them surviving (Zaku fight). Shino's also a highly analytical long-distance fighter that shows he can work out and counter an enemy in a short amount of time, even using the opponent's ability against them. Kiba's sense of smell can be easily dealt with, Shino is smart enough to work a way around it.

Just because something is light doesn't mean it's immune to being torn to pieces. In fact, that makes it more likely. If Kiba is ever covered in insects he can use Getsuga to get to safety. Eliminating scent AND evading Kiba's and Akamaru's sight at the same time (one without the other is useless) is easier said than done. Also, Giant Two-Headed Wolf tech could simply destroy the entire environment, and Shino with it. Strategy not necessary.

She no longer has the fan and it will be Shino's insects that will do the boxing in.

That's a bold statement. She has a TREMENDOUS arsenal available, and far superior physical abilities than Shino. There's doubtless something in her scroll which can repel the bugs. To a degree.

Shikamaru is unaware of Bug Clone and Bug Globe. Assuming Shino hasn't tattle-taled.

Oh, so those two techniques are enough for Shino to dominate Shikamaru?

Shika has more feats, is more versatile and FAR more intelligent.