Minato>Nagato??? (explaination inside)

[Edo Odin]

ftg is useless???? what??

nagato isnt even the best good at taijutsu...base naruto fought deva path toe to toe

the only reason nagato caught killer bee was because killer bee thought he was sneaking up on nagato but the summonings were watching

do you seriously think nagato can walk up to minato and grab him??????

minato has never been touched, except for by the kyuubi but that was because minato had to save naruto

FTG is useless if everything he marks gets blown away.

Never said anything about Taijutsu, but if Minato tries to hit him, his soul will get removed.

Doesn't change the fact that he cought one of the fastest characters quite easily. What would have been different if Bee tried attacking him head on ?

When did I say he could ? :sy:

You're overestimating Minato, and the fact that so many people disagree with you should be enough proof of that...

 

[Deadai]

ftg is useless???? what??

nagato isnt even the best good at taijutsu...base naruto fought deva path toe to toe

the only reason nagato caught killer bee was because killer bee thought he was sneaking up on nagato but the summonings were watching

do you seriously think nagato can walk up to minato and grab him??????

minato has never been touched, except for by the kyuubi but that was because minato had to save naruto

FTG is useless though, If Minato try'es spredding out his kunai like he did against bee when they are still being spreed out Nagato could shenrai tensei them blowing them out of bounds.

Also seeing as how Nagato was able to get a grab on KM Naruto and Bee I am pretty sure if the match came down to Taijutsu Nagato could hold his own.

Not to mention if Minato trie's Rasengan it could simply be absorbed.

This is perhaps one of the worst people you could pin Minato against seeing as how Nagato has counter's for basically all of his known arsenal.

 

[~Sovereign~]

Minato would be destroyed by share power and magnitude.

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If you find a valid link of minato creating a ST barrier the size of kononha, then we can come an agreement. And don't say he dosen't need one the size of konoha because he would still be destroyed from the surrounding debree.

minato can send the destruction into another dimension like he did tbb, the size of shinra tensai means nothing

im not saying minato will send EVERYTHING into another dimension, im saying minato just has to send whatever is been sent towards himself into the dimension

who cares about the surroundings??

Im not even sure if you mean nagato himself or the 6 paths but regardless any neutral with an understanding of the manga will say nagato/ 6 paths wins. Tbh reading your op im not sure if you are serious. :|

im talking about healthy nagato

minato has a counter to everything

why cant he win?

minato is just a bad opponent for nagato IMO

All I hear is Flying thunder god, flying thunder god, flying thunder god, flying thunder god.

Nagato beats Minato.

you forgot space time barrier lol

how does nagato win?

You are wrong of course he could beat the six paths of pein but he wouldn't beat nagato can he can use all that jutsu within himself which he is way stronger u think speed alone is enough hell naw nagato has been crippled for a long time I'm pretty sure he fought guys who were fast before and just like naruto bee and itachi as fast as they were they couldn't even reach him he made it look like a circus and I knw minato isn't more powerful than all of them but nagato showed he was and he even helped them take his own self down so minato had barely fought off tobi with which obviously tobi knew he couldn't whoop nagato no one in akatski thought he would ever lose and he was going to kill naruto in that tree if it wasn't for a change of heart he is the third most powerful ninja ever im talking bout nagato and surely the second most proficient user of the rennigan behind so6p minato surely can beat give him a run for a while but would be overwhelmed minato is barely stronger than itachi naruto and bee by themselves if that and nagato was untouchable while crippled with no mobility

i didnt say speed is enough, i said minato is enough

minato has s/t jutsu which can send nagato attacks into another dimension

itachi killer bee and itachi does have minato's abilities

example: minato wouldnt struggle against chibaku tensai while itachi killer bee and naruto did

nagato had mobility

 

[Waltz]

minato can send the destruction into another dimension like he did tbb, the size of shinra tensai means nothing

im not saying minato will send EVERYTHING into another dimension, im saying minato just has to send whatever is been sent towards himself into the dimension

who cares about the surroundings??

Sigh. Are you still ignorant to the fact that Minato's space time barrier can only absorb things within it's Circumfrence? When the rest of Shinra tensi hits the debree and force will kill minato. Minato can't use FTG because he will be Re-directing the attack + Space time barrier takes much time to absorb an incoming attack.

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Im not sure if you serious or your just trolling to get hottest, because your argument is illogical.

 

[~Sovereign~]

FTG is useless though, If Minato try'es spredding out his kunai like he did against bee when they are still being spreed out Nagato could shenrai tensei them blowing them out of bounds.

Also seeing as how Nagato was able to get a grab on KM Naruto and Bee I am pretty sure if the match came down to Taijutsu Nagato could hold his own.

Not to mention if Minato trie's Rasengan it could simply be absorbed.

This is perhaps one of the worst people you could pin Minato against seeing as how Nagato has counter's for basically all of his known arsenal.

how is ftg useless when minato can make markings with his hands?? and nagato can only use shinra tensai once maybe two during this batle (the big shinra tensai)

remember nagato couldnt use deva path for a long time

but minato fights differently then killer bee and naruto

like i said minato has never been touch and you think nagato, a guy who isnt known for his speed, can touch minato SIMPLY???

how can nagato stop minato from teleporting?
how can nagato stop minato from use space time barrier?

i cant believe people are saying ftg is useless...wtf

minato is beyond underrated

FTG is useless if everything he marks gets blown away.

Never said anything about Taijutsu, but if Minato tries to hit him, his soul will get removed.

Doesn't change the fact that he cought one of the fastest characters quite easily. What would have been different if Bee tried attacking him head on ?

When did I say he could ? :sy:

You're overestimating Minato, and the fact that so many people disagree with you should be enough proof of that...

no you're underrating him

how is ftg useless when minato can make markings with his hands??? and he can use the kunai he's holding

also have you forgotten that nagato cant spam shinra tensai (the big one)??? once he uses this, he cant use deva path AT ALL

minato will be at a HUGE advantage

Boy,

Chou Shinra Tensei is a full forced ST which will act from above Minato's head - clearly Nagato will use it from some sort of aerial standpoint as he did canonically [

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]. Shinra Tensei creates a spherical wall of gravity pushing outwards - it's not just affecting Minato from one direction, because it's not a technique which is acting in only one plane, unlike the bijūdama. If he's on the ground, and he uses a S/T Barrier to counter a jutsu coming from above, not all of the Chou Shinra Tensei is going to be re-directed into the seal. It's going to be spherical wall of gravity, the S/T barrier can't absorb something coming from both above and the side. You are saying it's going to be like this [

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As I said, unless Minato can create a floating S/T Barrier which just so happened to be inclined at the right angle to the horizontal and he somehow managed to make it as a wide as Konoha, he can't defeat the jutsu with a S/T Barrier.

:sy:

shinra tensai is nothing but a strong force being pushed towards minato

why cant minato just put the barrier in front of himself and let the barrier send everything that comes his way inside the barrier?

Disagree. It's not like Shinra Tensei is a physical attack. How can Minato use a barrier against something that can repel anything and everything? Especially on the scale deva path used to annihilate the whole village of Konoha? the village would still be destroyed even if Minato puts up a space time barrier.

??? shinra tensai is a physical attack, what are you talking about

how can he gonna repel a barrier?

who cares about the village being destroy??? minato just has to save himself with space ttime barrier, NOT THE VILLAGE

 

[~Sovereign~]

Sigh. Are you still ignorant to the fact that Minato's space time barrier can only absorb things within it's Circumfrence? When the rest of Shinra tensi hits the debree and force will kill minato.

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Im not sure if you serious or your just trolling to get hottest, because your argument is illogical.

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look at this picture

if minato is standing BEHIND this

NOTHING WILL TOUCH MINATO

minato can keep the barrier open until he's save and the debree is done flying (or at least most of it)

you're completely underratting s/t barrier

ALSO, in YOUR pic...why did you make the barrier come off the ground (it looks like its in the air)

 

[Deadai]

how is ftg useless when minato can make markings with his hands?? and nagato can only use shinra tensai once maybe two during this batle (the big shinra tensai)

remember nagato couldnt use deva path for a long time

but minato fights differently then killer bee and naruto

like i said minato has never been touch and you think nagato, a guy who isnt known for his speed, can touch minato SIMPLY???

how can nagato stop minato from teleporting?
how can nagato stop minato from use space time barrier?

i cant believe people are saying ftg is useless...wtf

minato is beyond underrated



no you're underrating him

how is ftg useless when minato can make markings with his hands??? and he can use the kunai he's holding

also have you forgotten that nagato cant spam shinra tensai (the big one)??? once he uses this, he cant use deva path AT ALL

minato will be at a HUGE advantage



:sy:

shinra tensai is nothing but a strong force being pushed towards minato

why cant minato just put the barrier in front of himself and let the barrier send everything that comes his way inside the barrier?



??? shinra tensai is a physical attack, what are you talking about

how can he gonna repel a barrier?

who cares about the village being destroy??? minato just has to save himself with space ttime barrier, NOT THE VILLAGE

And this make's a difference how? if Minato cannot use his kunai you are trying to tell me he will mark Nagato with his base speed..?

Yes Minato has been said to have fine base speed but how does he touch Nagato? whom could just toy with Minato really with Banshō Ten'in like he did against Hinata which is also how Nagato could grab Minato.

I never said Nagato would spam chou shenrai tensei, I was speaking about his average one, which has been said to need a 5 sec recharge.

 

[Waltz]

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look at this picture

if minato is standing BEHIND this

NOTHING WILL TOUCH MINATO

minato can keep the barrier open until he's save and the debree is done flying (or at least most of it)

you're completely underratting s/t barrier

ALSO, in YOUR pic...why did you make the barrier come off the ground (it looks like its in the air)

You have become Ridiculous. ST Barrier isn't an absorbing technique, it's a hole that transporst anything that falls into it, somewhere else. How will it abosrb attacks coming from outside it's radius?

Of course the barrier is off the ground? and if i use your pic, Why in the world would minato make a horizontal ST Barrier to deflect an attack that's coming at him diagonally? Apparently that makes sense to you.

 

[~Sovereign~]

And this make's a difference how? if Minato cannot use his kunai you are trying to tell me he will mark Nagato with his base speed..?

Yes Minato has been said to have fine base speed but how does he touch Nagato? whom could just toy with Minato really with Banshō Ten'in like he did against Hinata which is also how Nagato could grab Minato.

I never said Nagato would spam chou shenrai tensei, I was speaking about his average one, which has been said to need a 5 sec recharge.

minato can mark the ground and eventually nagato will step near it (if nagato destroy the ground, that still wont destroy the mrkings, it just means minato's local will change) OR minato can simply use 2 kunai...the first one will force nagato to use shinra tensai, THEN minato uses the second one to throw a nagato during the 5 seconds

 

[~Sovereign~]

You have become Ridiculous. ST Barrier isn't an absorbing technique, it's a hole that transporst anything that falls into it, somewhere else. How will it abosrb attacks coming from outside it's radius?

Of course the barrier is off the ground? and if i use your pic, Why in the world would minato make a horizontal ST Barrier to deflect an attack that's coming at him diagonally? Apparently that makes sense to you.

???

minato can put the space time barrier where he wants it...

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the kunai is the center of the barrier as you can see

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

As much as I like both characters Minato cannot defeat Nagato. Nagato has too much for Minato. The Deva Path which grants the user the ability to manipulate attractive and repulsive forces, which would repel the ftg kunai's also Chibaku Tensei which doesnt take long Prep Time would trap Minato as he has no jutsu powerful enough to destroy the core. Also he would have difficulties defeating the dog summoning that always multiplies, the Rhino summoning and the crab that porduces foam. Minato can't get close to Nagato other wise the Nagato will use the Asura path and fire missiles or if he touches Minato he can use Soul removal; plus Minato won't be able to escape the Soul Dragon, and none of Minato's sumonings are strong enough to take out the Gedo Mazo. Also Ninjutsu is useless against Nagato as he uses the preta path to absorb it, so he would absorb the rasengan.

 

[~Sovereign~]

As much as I like both characters Minato cannot defeat Nagato. Nagato has too much for Minato. The Deva Path which grants the user the ability to manipulate attractive and repulsive forces, which would repel the ftg kunai's also Chibaku Tensei which doesnt take long Prep Time would trap Minato as he has no jutsu powerful enough to destroy the core. Also he would have difficulties defeating the dog summoning that always multiplies, the Rhino summoning and the crab that porduces foam. Minato can't get close to Nagato other wise the Nagato will use the Asura path and fire missiles or if he touches Minato he can use Soul removal; plus Minato won't be able to escape the Soul Dragon, and none of Minato's sumonings are strong enough to take out the Gedo Mazo. Also Ninjutsu is useless against Nagato as he uses the preta path to absorb it, so he would absorb the rasengan.

yea....you didnt read

 

[Waltz]

???

minato can put the space time barrier where he wants it...

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the kunai is the center of the barrier as you can see

This is my last post.

Minato's Spacetime barrier is not big enough to absorb A Large scale shinra tensei from an Arial perspective at a diagonal angle. Even if it absorbs a small portion, minato will be kill by the debree regardless to where he puts the barrier in the time period it takes shinra tensei to travel from nagato to him because it cannot cover the scope of the blast.

Your OP proves nothing. All you are doing is listing Minato's Tech's vs Nagato's. That dosen't say how Nagato would beat Minato, which is why the logical members disagree because there is much more to it than your OP.

 

[Deadai]

minato can mark the ground and eventually nagato will step near it (if nagato destroy the ground, that still wont destroy the mrkings, it just means minato's local will change) OR minato can simply use 2 kunai...the first one will force nagato to use shinra tensai, THEN minato uses the second one to throw a nagato during the 5 seconds

Nagato in the manga has been shown to have sensing capability's whats to say he won't sense the chakra in the ftg tag?

or even just see it scrolling twords him, which could be delt with by a shot of his chakra cannon.

Minato would be delt with before your scenario would happen U_U

 

[~Sovereign~]

This is my last post.

Minato's Spacetime barrier is not big enough to absorb A Large scale shinra tensei from an Arial perspective at a diagonal angle. Even if it absorbs a small portion, minato will be kill by the debree regardless to where he puts the barrier in the time period it takes shinra tensei to travel from nagato to him because it cannot cover the scope of the blast.

Your OP proves nothing. All you are doing is listing Minato's Tech's vs Nagato's. That dosen't say how Nagato would beat Minato, which is why the logical members disagree because there is much more to it than your OP.

well you have you're opinion and i have mine

but you're the one assuming

i didnt list any scenarios because there is no telling how the fight will go

i listed minato's counters because that is what the thread is about

this isnt a VS thread, its a thread to see if MINATO is capable of winning, so i list the ways minato can counter NOT nagato's counters, you misunderstood the thread

this thread is a question

 

[~Sovereign~]

Nagato in the manga has been shown to have sensing capability's whats to say he won't sense the chakra in the ftg tag?

or even just see it scrolling twords him, which could be delt with by a shot of his chakra cannon.

Minato would be delt with before your scenario would happen U_U

how?

and how is chakra gonna help him AVOID it?

kinda like the rock lee vs sasuke fight
nagato can know minato is there but if he himself cant react, then what good is it?

 

[Deadai]

how?

and how is chakra gonna help him AVOID it?

kinda like the rock lee vs sasuke fight
nagato can know minato is there but if he himself cant react, then what good is it?

I don't think you understand what I am saying

the FTG tag on the ground that follow's Nagato could be sensed because it has chakra in it, and Nagato has been shown to have good sensing capability's.

and if Nagato know's its there he could destroy the FTG tag a few different way's one I noted would be via chakra cannon.

 

[the dark king]

definitely mintato wins but to be honest i think that minato>nagato isnt true its just that minato is nagatos worst match up kinda like gaara and the 2nd mizukage

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

well you have you're opinion and i have mine

but you're the one assuming

i didnt list any scenarios because there is no telling how the fight will go

i listed minato's counters because that is what the thread is about

this isnt a VS thread, its a thread to see if MINATO is capable of winning, so i list the ways minato can counter NOT nagato's counters, you misunderstood the thread

this thread is a question

how?

and how is chakra gonna help him AVOID it?

kinda like the rock lee vs sasuke fight
nagato can know minato is there but if he himself cant react, then what good is it?

yea....you didnt read

I did read it and Minato can't beat Nagato you are overrating Space Time Barrier, and Nagato can use Shinra Tensei on a larger scale for massive destruction like when Nagato destroyed Konoha. Do you really think Minato can survive that? Plus Nagato can fire his chakra cannon which was strong enough to devastate an entire area. He can also use Bansho Tenin then Human Path:Soul Removal to Minato. As Minato won't be able to control his body when he is being pulled towards Nagato and gets hit with a flaming arrow missile.

 

[Vexorian]

I'm still going with Pain > Minato. Shared vision means no blindspots, 6 v 1 isn't a very great situation for Minato. You failed to mention Bansho Ten'in, which is far more problematic for Minato, as he himself is being pulled, thus he can teleport away but he's still being pulled.

Kakashi popped up from underground, and Tendo defended against it. Simply put, reaction time is an issue when one has to move to counter something. But on several occasions Shinra Tensei has been used without any sort of movement whatsoever. Thus cutting the reaction time needed in half, in reality.

Secondly, you only mentioned Minato's counters against Pain, not the other way around as well. Shinra Tensei is a 360 degree defense and offense combined in one. Makes Minato's FTG less than useful in this fight in all reality.