[Discussion] Hyuga Clan: Direct Descendants of the SO6P

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Hyuga Clan: Direct Descendants of the SO6P
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In this thread I will be detailing/debating the theory that the Hyuga Clan are direct descendants of Rikkudou Sennin aka the Sage of the Six Paths. My main tenet in this argument is that the Hyuga are an older clan than the Uchiha clan, therefore having more of a direct connection to the SO6P. I’m NOT debating power levels between the two clans, but rather debating the topic of lineage. In this thread I shall be using:​


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Contextual theory

in order to provide an intriguing thread which incites discussion and debate on the topic. It’s important to know that ultimately, this is just a theory and unless Kishimoto draws it…its just conjecture, no matter how well argued it is. Anyways enjoy and I’ll see you in the comments section!

Context

Post-timeskip, there hasn’t been much info revealed on the Hyuga clan. We’ve seen brief cameos from Hinata, Neji and unnamed clan members throughout Part II but asides from new jutsu, we’ve haven’t learned anything new regarding the clan. This is interesting because the Byakugan is one of two doujutsu seen actively throughout the series (excluding the Rinnegan). While we have an abundance of intel regarding the Sharingan and it’s mutations…we can’t say the same thing for the Byakugan. Why is it that there is such a lack of info regarding this kekkai genkai? I highly doubt that Kishi forgot/fodderized the Hyuga Clan because they’re the only clan besides the Uchiha that have a doujutsu…and both doujutsu (excluding the Rinnegan) appear to be exclusive to Konoha. Hmmm….
One series of panels in particular has provided the backdrop for this entire argument:

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With this in mind we can proceed to my first assumption.

Assumption : The Hyuga are the predecessors of the Uchiha, much like the Uzumaki are the predecessors to the Senju.

Before I continue with this assumption, I would like to elaborate on a few manga panels. There are many NB users that believe the Uzumaki are descended from the Senju, which in all likelihood, is false. Whenever the Uzumaki-Senju relationship is mentioned, the Uzumaki are always stated to be “distant relatives” or of the “same lineage” as the Senju. Nowhere is it implied that the Senju came first. In fact it is heavily implied that the Uzumaki are the older of the two. For example:
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This panel shows Hashirama and an unnamed Uzumaki clan member. We all know Hashirama to be the leader of the Senju clan and we can assume that the Uzumaki to the left is the leader of his clan. If the Uzumaki were descended from the Senju, why is it that their leader is clearly older than Hashirama? Hmmm….
With this in mind, we can draw parallels between the Hyuga and the Uchiha. After seeing what Kakashi (a wielder of the Sharingan and a jounin/ex ANBU with extensive knowledge of Konoha’s past) said regarding the origins of the Uchiha (panel shown above in the Context section), we can infer that the Hyuga were the older of the two clans. And if the Sharingan’s origins can be found in the Hyuga clan…then the Hyuga must be related to the SO6P. Also, it is stated in the manga that the Hyuga are the Leaf’s “oldest and greatest bloodline”
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Considering we’ve only seen 2 kekkai genkais (bloodline limits) in Konoha (Byakugan and Sharingan), this can be viewed as solid proof that the Hyuga are an older clan.

Counter

Q: If the Uchiha are descended from the Hyuga, then how does their Sharingan have more capabilities/raw power than the Byakugan?

A: This is a question to which I have no immediate answer to. However, we have yet to see the full capabilities of the Byakugan as the secrets regarding its power is safeguarded by Hiashi and the main house. The Sharingan relies on bloodshed and extreme personal sacrifice to advance to MS and EMS. The Hyuga, on the other hand, seem to follow the Will of Fire and are generally peaceful, so who knows what they are truly capable of…Kishimoto will reveal more about the Uzumaki and Hyuga clans as the series enters it’s final chapters. At the moment, however, it does seem that the Uchiha that have attained MS and/or EMS (who are definitely in the minority) have greater raw power than any Hyuga seen thus far…but how much have we actually seen to conclude this?

Theory

I find it no coincidence that Kishimoto has developed the Naruto/Hinata relationship so much in Part II. I also do not find it any coincidence that Neji is the only jounin thus far from his class. The Hyuga have a special role in the whole plot of Naruto and we shall find out more about them as the series progresses. I do have a theory as to why they will be an important part of the overall plot. This theory is based off my belief that the SO6P is actually an Uzumaki. While this can be an entire thread/discussion, I do believe the Sage’s sealing techniques and weapons are reminiscent of the Uzumaki’s techniques and the reason why Uzumakis are great jinchuuriki is because they are from the same clan as the original jinchuuriki, Rikkudou Sennin himself.
We all know that the SO6P had two sons. One retained his spiritual energy and life force and one retained his ocular prowess. However, the fact that he had offspring meant that he had to have a lover … who I believe was a female ancestor of who would eventually become the Hyuga, if not a Hyuga herself. His eldest son’s doujutsu might have derived it’s power from the Juubi and his descendants might have developed the Byakugan as a mutation of his doujutsu. However, the hatred and power from the Juubi that was passed onto the Uchiha might have skipped over the early Hyuga and they retained the want for peace as opposed to power. The Hyuga clan juxtaposes the Uchiha clan perfectly. If the SO6P was supposed to be the “God” of the ninja world, then Naruto is most certainly a Jesus-esque figure… he is the Six Paths reincarnate. It seems as if him and Hinata share a closer bond after the Pain Arc and this would coincide perfectly with the SO6P’s wife being an ancestor or a member of the Leaf’s oldest clan, the Hyuga. The Sharingan mutated from the early doujutsu of the elder son and the Byakugan through time, although the Uchiha retained the hatred of the elder son/Juubi while the Hyuga did not…​

Conclusion

The Hyuga clan are an older clan than the Uchiha and because of this they are more directly related to the SO6P. They are not ‘fodder’ and as the series progresses we shall find that they hold an important role in the plot of the Narutoverse.​
 

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Senju are the predecessors to the Uzumaki dumbass this thread is a complete fail
 

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Hyuuga have dojutsu and they are far relatives to the Uchiha so they are descendants of the elder son (just like the Uchiha) which means that they are also descendants of the SO6P.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us :)
 

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well technically the hyuga are Ancestors of the uchiha clan so just a lil
 

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Hyuuga have dojutsu and they are far relatives to the Uchiha so they are descendants of the elder son (just like the Uchiha) which means that they are also descendants of the SO6P.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us :)

np.. but who do you think came first?
 

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I agree along the lines if what you're saying, but I disagree as fsr as time goes. It has been stated that the Uchiha and Senju are clans formed by direct descent from the Sage. The Hyuga clan is more than likely a side branch descendant of the Elder son. Not direct enough like the Uchiha Zoan is. The same could be said about the Uzumaki clan as compared to the Senju. This side branching makes them distant relatives!

As far as you mentioned plot wise I hope that happens!!
 

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Possible. .. why not...? Everything repeats in kishi's universe. ..
 

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I agree along the lines if what you're saying, but I disagree as fsr as time goes. It has been stated that the Uchiha and Senju are clans formed by direct descent from the Sage. The Hyuga clan is more than likely a side branch descendant of the Elder son. Not direct enough like the Uchiha Zoan is. The same could be said about the Uzumaki clan as compared to the Senju. This side branching makes them distant relatives!

As far as you mentioned plot wise I hope that happens!!

True, but something Tobi said makes me think the Uchiha and Senju came later on. (check the family tree on the right)
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No. Fist of all the Uchiha and Seju are as close as lineage gets to the So6p as they are his children. Secondly Hashirama wasn't the son of the sage so of course the uzumaki leader can be older, the two clans both existed for who knows how many years before those two were even born. If uzumaki are older than the senju, then the senju can't be related to the sage.
 

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descendants from the uchihas :|
 

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No. Fist of all the Uchiha and Seju are as close as lineage gets to the So6p as they are his children. Secondly Hashirama wasn't the son of the sage so of course the uzumaki leader can be older, the two clans both existed for who knows how many years before those two were even born. If uzumaki are older than the senju, then the senju can't be related to the sage.

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Said no one ever in the manga.....(including kishi during any narraration)

^ exactly. nowhere has it been stated that the uzumaki 'descended' from the senju. always vague description of lineage.
 

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I'll give you that it doesn't DIRECTLY say that the younger son was a senju, and the older was an uchiha, but the picture stating the hyuuga were the oldest clan in konoha is utterly wrong, as uchiha and senju created konoha together.
 

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True, but something Tobi said makes me think the Uchiha and Senju came later on. (check the family tree on the right)
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Oh I never said which clan formed first. I was simply pointing out that I do not believe the Uchiha cam FROM the Hyuga clan. Just because there is a direct lineage from the Elder son doesn't mean that the clan formed first. It is possible a branch out of the Elder Son formed the Hyuga clan and eventually the more direct lineage formed the Uchiha.

He mentions how the DESCENDANTS became Uchiha and Senju....that clearly means that the Elder Son didn't form the Uchiha clan as the Younger didn't form the Senju. Sometime along the way their more directly known descendants became those clans. That statement alone can easily vouch for the possibility of the Hyuga clan forming first!
 

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I'll give you that it doesn't DIRECTLY say that the younger son was a senju, and the older was an uchiha, but the picture stating the hyuuga were the oldest clan in konoha is utterly wrong, as uchiha and senju created konoha together.

how can it be wrong if it's canon? these are old chapters so the translations are on point. And true Senju and Uchiha were the strongest clans of their time, but I wasn't arguing power levels between the Hyuga and Uchiha. I just think the Hyuga were their predecessors...weaker or not.
 
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