Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

[NaruGoku]

SASUKE SAID THAT......How many times must I say, that the words that come out characters mouths aren't 100% fact.... Deidara thought sasuke's chidori was raikiri..they can be wrong..

You are taking the words of SASUKE, the boy who literally had just got his mangekyou, who knows NOTHING about it...... as fact...
when the databooks, and itachi both sade you need amaterasu + susanno

/sigh

Please read everything i wrote... I wrote a LOT more than that AND i addressed the argument you just stated. so please, read all of it cuz there's way more than that one line. you took one little line out of context and came to your own conclusion. i wrote a whole thing, so if you'd please, could u read the whole thing? cuz i'm aware of what ur saying and i addressed it, so please read it all ok?

i know you'll still probably disagree, but i have much stronger points than that as well as the fact that i addressed your viewpoint. so again, u just took one line you saw and jumped to a conclusion

also, i don't remember Itachi expressly saying "you need amaterasu and tsukuyomi and then you can awaken susanoo." i just remember him saying "let me show u the third power that awakened that day" and that doesn't mean "let me show u susanoo which requires the other two first..."

and i addressed the databook thing... and by the way, Chidori IS Raikiri... there was a whole thing on that and that was made clear. Chidori/Raikiri are in fact the same move, Kakashi and Gai discussed it in the ep where sasuke used it against gaara

 

[TheTailedSage]

what?

im a "he" btw



congrats on 10000 post

i ment to say it earlier lol

sasuke? he has nothing to do with this

this is kishi's manga...he doesnt have to follow japanese mythology

I mean what I say, the white zetsu is hashi cells and black side is madara you forgot that key fact which made some of u evidence useless and kishi is the worst troller ever ABC logic sometimes doesn't work in naruto

 

[~Sovereign~]

I mean what I say, the white zetsu is hashi cells and black side is madara you forgot that key fact which made some of u evidence useless and kishi is the worst troller ever ABC logic sometimes doesn't work in naruto

i talked about white zetsu is the post but not in the OP

yes, kishi contradicts himself ALOT,but i already know kishi gonna lie again and give madara amaterasu

kishi force things to connect in the manga, like obito flashback

 

[Meowazziel]

@NaruGoku (I am not gonna quote the the whole text , but ill reply to it of course).

About Amaterasu, just as you use possibly, I use words like most likely, probably ,
so I havent made a claim or anything.

About Tsukiyomi, true that was indeed a spare, but the guy wants to use Mugen Tsukuyomi and we have been told how it works, by projecting your eyes on the moon. Being able to use such a technique without your own eyes is pretty impressive in itself. This one is most likely a given dont you think?

About Susanoo, I just listed that one, to have all three written down there, no special reason. Just in a ''and he has Susanoo, but we already know that'' kind of thing. Maybe I should have left the word ''perfect'' out, due to the discussion about the Rinnegan having maybe influence on the perfect state.

About Susanoo being a rarity.
I agree fully with what you say in this part.
We dont differ to much tbh, it is a bit of a possibly here, maybe there, most likely here, probably etc .
We are both aware of the possibilities.
and if the OP turns out to be right, than it is indeed like you say, for the wrong reasons.

 

[zinescience]

u may be right.

 

[Meowazziel]

Chidori/Raikiri are in fact the same move, Kakashi and Gai discussed it in the ep where sasuke used it against gaara

I was under this impression at first as well, but than someone showed me Chidori being A rank and Raikiri being S
rank. Apparently Raikiri is an improved Chidori.

 

[TheTailedSage]

i talked about white zetsu is the post but not in the OP

yes, kishi contradicts himself ALOT,but i already know kishi gonna lie again and give madara amaterasu

kishi force things to connect in the manga, like obito flashback

Then you should know most of the fights that zetsu is at its not the black part but the white ppart, he as a half hasn't got that knowledge u of all shud know this and madara alreadu HAS amatarasu!! Why can't u just accept that he's got it

 

[Memoria]

kishi doesnt have to follow japanese mythology

this is his manga, he can do whatever he wants

Will you be disappointed to know that many elements in Kishimoto's manga are from Japanese mythology?
He doesn't have to follow Japanese mythology, he follows foreign mythologies sometimes. Jiraiya, Tsunade, and Orchimaru are all characters based off of Japanese mythology, read

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an you will understand.
Itachi with his Susanoo defeating Orochimaru in his Eight Branch form is also based off of Japanese mythology, where Susanoo kills the the Yamato-no-Orochi. There are many examples, don't really feel like talking about them now.

 

[Prince Charles]

Actually sakuxnaru has a point, black zetsu should logically have some of madaras memories/images since hes basically a clone of madaras will.

When.naruto does kage bushin hes clones basically share the same memories as the original does

Just saying.

 

[~Sovereign~]

Will you be disappointed to know that many elements in Kishimoto's manga are from Japanese mythology?
He doesn't have to follow Japanese mythology, he follows foreign mythologies sometimes. Jiraiya, Tsunade, and Orchimaru are all characters based off of Japanese mythology, read

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an you will understand.
Itachi with his Susanoo defeating Orochimaru in his Eight Branch form is also based off of Japanese mythology, where Susanoo kills the the Yamato-no-Orochi. There are many examples, don't really feel like talking about them now.

i dont really care to be honest...naruto is a cartoon/anime whatever, why be dissappointed??????

like i said kishi doesnt have to follow japanese mythology

ill just wait until i get manga proof

Actually sakuxnaru has a point, black zetsu should logically have some of madaras memories/images since hes basically a clone of madaras will.

When.naruto does kage bushin hes clones basically share the same memories as the original xoes

Just saying.

EXACTLY

i think we all know madara will get amaterasu BUt only because kishi is forced to give it to madara...if madara doesnt get it, it'll f*ck up the plot/things he set up

but people dont pay attention to the fact that kishi contradicts himself in order to keep the plot going

 

[NaruGoku]

I was under this impression at first as well, but than someone showed me Chidori being A rank and Raikiri being S
rank. Apparently Raikiri is an improved Chidori.

hm... do u know where that is? cuz i've never heard of that. I mean.... it's the same move... i don't understand. do u know where there's an explanation? i'd appreciate it cuz i've heard no such thing

 

[Owarij]

Chidori IS Raikiri... there was a whole thing on that and that was made clear. Chidori/Raikiri are in fact the same move, Kakashi and Gai discussed it in the ep where sasuke used it against gaara

Not the same according to kishi

 

[Meowazziel]

hm... do u know where that is? cuz i've never heard of that. I mean.... it's the same move... i don't understand. do u know where there's an explanation? i'd appreciate it cuz i've heard no such thing

I was in the same boat.

I cannot find that conversation I had right now, (ill edit when I come across), however I can provide this though:

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It says Chidori=A rank and how Kakashi improved it to an S rank version.
Raikiri=S Rank (better chakra control and color, among the reasons).

 

[Prince Charles]

@meowverse

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There BASICALLY the same thing

 

[Memoria]

i dont really care to be honest...naruto is a cartoon/anime whatever, why be dissappointed??????

like i said kishi doesnt have to follow japanese mythology

ill just wait until i get manga proof

Lol I was teasing you, don't take it seriously.
Susanoo, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi being brothers in Japanese mythology is not a proof then? Okay, dismiss the fact that Kishimoto usually follows Japanese mythology in his manga. Databook literally stated that Susanoo can only be used by those possessing Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, read the underlined:

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Well, if that's not a proof for you either then it's clear that you're in denial.

 

[Meowazziel]

@meowverse

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There BASICALLY the same thing

I thought so too and I think I even linked this page as well. However someone linked what I liked above in post #76.
The A rank S rank thing and other little differences.
So apparently the two jutsus have differences and not only the name.

 

[Prince Charles]

Lol I was teasing you, don't take it seriously.
Susanoo, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi being brothers in Japanese mythology is not a proof then? Okay, dismiss the fact that Kishimoto usually follows Japanese mythology in his manga. Databook literally stated that Susanoo can only be used by those possessing Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, read the underlined:

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Well, if that's not a proof for you either then it's clear that you're in denial.

Lmfao you just R.I.P"ed his thread.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

i was looking at itachi vs sasuke fight and i noticed this

zetsu is watching the entire fight, and he said this

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^^^^why dont zetsu recognize amaterasu????????

REMEMBER ZETSU KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT MADARA

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this PROVES madara doesnt have amaterasu because zetsu would have known about it already unless kishi contradicts his manga

and since madara can use susano without amaterasu, this proves susano doesnt require amaterasu

this proves the databook wrong too......unless the databook is talking about just ITACHI's susano

agree?

EDIT: here is my thread other thread about susano requirements

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What are you talking about? Black zetsu only said those statements because he was suprised that Itachi was actually going to use amaterasu and he didnt think that itachi was actually going to use it.

 

[NaruGoku]

I was in the same boat.

I cannot find that conversation I had right now, (ill edit when I come across), however I can provide this though:

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It says Chidori=A rank and how Kakashi improved it to an S rank version.
Raikiri=S Rank (better chakra control and color, among the reasons).

Lol, i'm sorry man i simply don't buy this wiki explanation. it's so vague, it actually doesn't say anything. it gives no evidence of how they are different at all except by stating "it's more advanced..." So if Kishi himself has a better explanation, that's what i'd really like to see. the Wiki thing explains absolutely nothing and i read it all very closely.

@meowverse

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There BASICALLY the same thing

and ALSO i'm also pointing to this picture--"it's Chidori, also known as Raikiri." That's clear cut to me. No matter the "explanation" like "better chakra control" and stuff, i'm still gonna say they're the same unless i see Kishi give a very clear explanation. This explanation is not clear at all.. so of course, IF they ARE different techniques, i'll accept it, but i'm going to have to see someting that truly makes me think they are different techniques. as far as i'm concerned, this is like calling Rasengan and Oodama Rasengan different techniques: they're the same, but one requires much more chakra and is more powerful.

Again, i'm willing to accept them being different, but i'll need a clear explanation. Also, are they supposed to be different TECHNIQUES? or are they just supposed to be different variations of the SAME technique, cuz that's the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment...

so even if somewhere Kishi had stated clearly that they are not the same technique, please forgive my skepticism i have seen no such thing and the current "evidence" hasn't convinced. so i'm not saying i can't be wrong, but i truly feel at the moment that there's not enough to change my mind

 

[Meowazziel]

are they just supposed to be different variations of the SAME technique, cuz that's the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment...

Thats what I understood. A higher form of the same technique and therefore slghtly different and a higher rank and I guess the ranks are not given randomly, but are from data, like databooks.
But who knows, I just share what someone linked me . Apparently there are more differences than just the name.