Susano DOESNT require Ama and tsu (proof)

[Meowazziel]

both of you look at post 19

Black Zetsu has all Madara's knowledge. Madara used the rikudo no jutsu to shape his will into a physical form (this became Black Zetsu). Black Zetsu knows what Madara knows.
Amaterasu is probably one of these things.
I find that more likely than having heard a rumor about it, dont you think?

 

[KidGamer65]

Him saying "We might actually get to see it" doesn't mean that he has never seen it before, he is just wondering if they will be able to see it in the current battle.

 

[~Sovereign~]

Black Zetsu has all Madara's knowledge. Madara used the rikudo no jutsu to shape his will into a physical form (this became Black Zetsu). Black Zetsu knows what Madara knows.
Amaterasu is probably one of these things.
I find that more likely than having heard a rumor about it, dont you think?

thats what i said

black zetsu only explained a rumor

if madara had amaterasu, zetsu wouldve already seen amaterasu before

 

[Owarij]

might he have heard a rumor about it

zetsu clearly states "we might actually get to see it"

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Black zetsu never saw Madara use it... Madara was in old age barely able to go places...

Rumor? If he heard it as a rumor, White zetsu would have known of it aswell.... But white zetsu was completely clueless, yet the black knew exactly what it was and even that it's the partner jutsu to Tsukyomi... Unless you're going to imply that black and white split up and he heard it?


You're starting to base your argument on pure conjecture not supported by the manga at all... this isn't proof what so ever

if madara had amaterasu, zetsu wouldve already seen amaterasu before

as I said wrong, when zetsu was made Madara was an old man, he never saw madara fight, he had knowledge of the ability, but never saw it in action

 

[~Sovereign~]

Him saying "We might actually get to see it" doesn't mean that he has never seen it before, he is just wondering if they will be able to see it in the current battle.

zetsu was shocked to see itachi use amaterasu for the first time

they were shock and didnt know it can burn fire

 

[Robot Boy]

if black zetsu only heard that makes me wonder where heard it from maybe your right about it him hearing it as a "rumor" otherwise he would have said something like "from what madara explained to me" but, I guess kishi maybe didn't want to make the connection between madara and zetsu's relationship so guess he kept his mouth shut to reveal the truth at a later time...who knows...but, you gotta point with the contradiction.

 

[~Sovereign~]

Black zetsu never saw Madara use it... Madara was in old age barely able to go places...

Rumor? If he heard it as a rumor, White zetsu would have known of it aswell.... But white zetsu was completely clueless, yet the black knew exactly what it was and even that it's the partner jutsu to Tsukyomi... Unless you're going to imply that black and white split up and he heard it?


You're starting to base your argument on pure conjecture not supported by the manga at all... this isn't proof what so ever

black zetsu IS madara

thats my proof

if blackzetsu/madara NEVER seen amaterasu

madara doesnt have it

 

[~Sovereign~]

if black zetsu only heard tha makes me wonder where heard it from maybe your right about it him hearing it as a "rumor" otherwise he would have said something like "from what madara explained to me" but, I guess he didn't on a count kishi maybe didn't want to make the connection between madara and zetsu so guess he kept his mouth shut to reveal the truth at a later time...who knows...but, you gotta point with the contradiction.

maybe the uchiha tablet?

 

[~Sovereign~]

No a rumor is something different. Zetsu has actual knowledge of Amaterasu, due to him having received Madara's knowledge.
And as I said in post #16, Black Zetsu CANNOT HAVE SEEN Amaterasu, because Madara died a few seconds, after Black Zetsu's creation.

black zetsu IS madara

and has madara's knowledge

madara had knowledge

but zetsu clearly wanted to SEE it...meaning madara never used it

zetsu probably read the uchiha tablet

 

[Owarij]

zetsu was shocked to see itachi use amaterasu for the first time

they were shock and didnt know it can burn fire

Now you're stating nonsense..

Once again, white zetsu was clueless and said " Holy smokes it burned fire?"
Then black zetsu once again explained how it worked

"iT burns whatever the eye focuses on, the black flames will converge on that spot, then it will continue to burn untill the target is completely eradicated.."

Black zetsu was in no way suprised that in burned fire, white zetsu was

 

[Robot Boy]

maybe the uchiha tablet?

who knows...All know is that he didn't say or rather didn't make black zetsu say to build suspense or something...oh yeah sorry since madara placed a portion of his will in zetsu the knowledge must have transfered thats how black zetsu knew

 

[Meowazziel]

black zetsu IS madara

and has madara's kopwledge

madara had knowledge

but zetsu clearly wanted to SEE it...meaning madara never used it

zetsu probably read the uchiha tablet

Black Zetsu CANNOT HAVE SEEN Amaterasu, because Madara died a few seconds, after Black Zetsu's creation.
Black zetsu has never SEEN Amaterasu in action.
It doesnt matter if he has knowledge and/or memory about it.
He has never actually SEEN it with his(black zetsu) EYES.
However he knows about it due to having Madara's knowledge.
He was eager to see, what he knew.

and he cannot read the uchiha tablet, cause he lacks Sharingan and Rinnegan.

 

[Robot Boy]

yeah so in other words black has a better idea of amaterasu than white.

 

[~Sovereign~]

Now you're stating nonsense..

Once again, white zetsu was clueless and said " Holy smokes it burned fire?"
Then black zetsu once again explained how it worked

"iT burns whatever the eye focuses on, the black flames will converge on that spot, then it will continue to burn untill the target is completely eradicated.."

Black zetsu was in no way suprised that in burned fire, white zetsu was

ok

explain to me why zetsu said "WE might actually get to see amaterasu"

if black zesu is madara, he should have seen amaterasu already, right?

 

[~Sovereign~]

Black Zetsu CANNOT HAVE SEEN Amaterasu, because Madara died a few seconds, after Black Zetsu's creation.
Black zetsu has never SEEN Amaterasu in action.
It doesnt matter if he has knowledge and/or memory about it.
He has never actually SEEN it with his(black zetsu) EYES.
However he knows about it due to having Madara's knowledge.
He was eager to see, what he knew.

and he cannot read the uchiha tablet, cause he lacks Sharingan and Rinnegan.

OMG

BLACK ZETSU IS MADARA

whatever madara knows...black zetsu knows
whatever madara seen....black zetsu seen

madara made this clear already
how do you think obito know madara entire life story?

 

[Robot Boy]

ok

explain to me why zetsu said "WE might actually get to see amaterasu"

if black zesu is madara, wouldnt he have seen amaterasu already?

He probably only mentioned amaterasu to white zetsu only in name perhaps but, not on what it does or on what it looks like. I think kishi made it that way in the beginning to make it appear that there was no connection to zetsu and madara.

 

[~Sovereign~]

He probably only mentioned amaterasu to white zetsu only in name perhaps but, not on what it does or on what it looks like.

madara didnt explain NOTHING

black zetsu IS madara

anything madara knows/sees...black zetsu knows/sees

 

[Robot Boy]

madara didnt explain NOTHING

black zetsu IS madara

anything madara knows/sees...black zetsu knows/sees

No I mean black zetsu to white zetsu not madara he was gonna die, no time to explain things.

 

[TheTailedSage]

How can u argue with the databook :\ come onthe only reason why zetsu got baffled is because he had never seen ITACHI use ammy if he did he wouldn't of got so happy to see a jutsu he sees on a regular basis, like sakuxxnaru said. Zetsu knows evrything about madara but not itachi, anyway we haven't seen anyone with susano'o who doesn't know the tsukyomi and ammy and yes the databook said he can use magatama and ammy. If kishi is contradicting himself which I doubt he is then we found a hole in his logic but until someone can show solid evidence that u don't need ammy and tsukyomi then facts remain that u do need them. If this is true then obito should have susano'o but because he doesn't know ammy and doesn't have both eyes he cant

 

[~Sovereign~]

No I mean black zetsu to white zetsu not madara he was gonna die, no time to explain things.

thats what i said

black zetsu never seen amaterasu because madara never had it for him to see it

black zetsu probably read the uchiha tablet to find out what amaterasu is