PS is not a Rinnegan related jutsu. Madara infact had Rinnegan active during PS, but this does not mean it is required for PS
Evidence
His battle with Hashirama was the last known time he had a battle. no one saw him besides obito and zetsu after this point.[Assumable]
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Madara had awakened the rinnegan when he was about to die. In theory he had used PS many times before this point. How would PS be a rinnegan tech if he didnt recieve it until he was about to die?
the only evidence people have is madara using PS while rinnegan was active. they believe because Rinnegan was active its needed for PS.
Counter point:
he also used Skeletal Sasunoo with Rinnegan active. so because he used PS with rinnegan active mean little to nothing. all it means is that Sasunoo is able to be cast with rinnegan active. nothing more or less
sasunoo being cast with EMS
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Sasunoo being used with Rinnegan
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the sasunoo being in skeletal form both appear to be the same. two different doujutu are active. in fact it seems Rinnegan does not effect sasunoo at all. in my opinion Madara has only used his rinnegan to counter naruto and make a meteor. possibly to help control juubi.
But all and all Sasunoo has nothing to do with rinnegan so in tern Madara's Perfect Sasunoo has nothing to do with his rinnegan.
do you agree? why are there so many out there that still believe PS is a rinnegan jutsu?
If thats the case Nagato would have used it right?
All he said was that no one that had seen his PS had lived. That could mean that no one saw it all for all that we know.
It could also mean that every body who has seen it died, as for the short/briefly before death issue, I already made a thread on this that explains why that notions is 100% wrong: here
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For all we know he could have used PS many times on fodders after gaining the Rinnegan just to test it. but never in real battle. It could have been a technique he perfected only to have his revenge on Hashirama, but never actually had the chance to use it because he only unlocked the rinnegan after Hashi's death. So this proves nothing.
No, you are not correct. According to manga Sasuke and itachi have already attained their own type of perfect susanoo with the final cloak, on the other hand Madara's susanoo never attained the cloak until it became perfect, so perfect susano is a specific jutsu that only madara can use. And you have not answered my question, why would his ultimate power come with his inferior eyes?
You need to reread the Five Kage Summit arc. Susanoo kept getting stronger as the fight progressed. There is no reason to believe Perfect Susanoo comes from Rinnegan, Nagato didn't have it.
Plus we still haven't seen Sasuke go all out with the EMS.
Madara made it clear he had used it before and he got the Rinnegan near his death when he was very old.
The Rinnegan is the result of the mix of Senju and Uchiha DNA, why would the most powerful Uchiha jutsu need Senju DNA.
Actually Madara said when he used PS that only Hashi could stop him and that they should be glad he isn't here becuase the maps won't need to be redrawn to much.
He also said that it is said that nobody who has seen Susanoo has lived to speak of it and he is the only Uchiha to ever achieve EMS. And the only one to have the Rinnegan.
Plus Sasuke is most likely going to eventually get it. Why would Kishi make it impossible for him to achieve before he is near death.
Actually Madara said when he used PS that only Hashi could stop him and that they should be glad he isn't here becuase the maps won't need to be redrawn to much.
He also said that it is said that nobody who has seen Susanoo has lived to speak of it and he is the only Uchiha to ever achieve EMS. And the only one to have the Rinnegan.
Plus Sasuke is most likely going to eventually get it. Why would Kishi make it impossible for him to achieve before he is near death.
Dude I hate Sasuke, it just makes sense that he gets it. Don't run around making baseless accusations. You have just lost all credibility. (- rep for baseless accusations.)
Don't insult or mock someone just becuase they disagree with you. People like you don't even know how to debate.
Kishi created the jutsu, why would he create a jutsu only for it to fail and not see it again. It only makes sense. Thats just logic. Dude you are still making baseless accusations.
If you are not going to debate fairly then we are done.
The meteorite Jutsu is called Tengai Shinsei(most rinnegan techs end with "sei"): The user weaves three hand seals simultaneously between himself and his Susanoo. Which pulls Meteorites from the sky. Which destroyed Madara's susanoo and his body.... SO6P created Chibaku tensei(nag.used 2 trap 9tails+created moon(jubbi) whom didnt have Uchiha nor Senju DNA, but both+rinne. So it is believed that the tengai shinsei(metor.jutsu) requires: senju dna+uchiha dna+rinnegan.
It is a rinnegan tech, besides why would his full/ ultimate technique come with his inferior eyes(MS) instead of his superior eyes(Rinnegan)? That means that you are implying that the sharingan is better than the rinnegan which is not true.
Well Shar. & Rinne. both have their own merits. Otherwise Obito would have transplanted both rinne. Susanoo is neither shar. nor rinn. jutsu. That is why Sasuke, Itachi, and Madara all have been able to use Susanoo w/out Sharingan. And Madara can use while Rinne is active.
Even if Kishimoto himself differentiate namely between the Kanzentai Susanoo and Susanoo, it's exactly the same Jutsu. With the eternal Mangekyo Sharingan it's able to use the Dōjutsu of the Mangekyo Sharingan to an extent. Sasuke trained, after he had killed Shiro Zetsu and we could see the result of that training in his fight with Obito.
Susanoo is a Kekkai Genkai of the Mangekyo Sharingan.
