Is there a "Hiraishin Realm"? A theory on Space/Time Techniques in general.

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Bee might just have a point. Kamui, both versions, are connected to the same realm.

Could it be that EVERY S/T jutsu concern manipulation of different dimensions?


Kamui:
Kamui is a given, it transports the user's body(or target's) either partially:
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Or totally:
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To the Kamui Realm. Or out of it:
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Summoning Techniques:
ALL Summoning Techniques concern taking the summons from their place in their home dimension.

I'm still not sure if they're in the main dimension at all times or if they have their own, separate but interconnected one. There IS, however, a particular route to their domain which can be traversed. The known summoning realms (Myōbokuzan, Shikkotsurin, Ryūchidō) are certainly not on any map. Apparently Myōbokuzan can be reached through thirty days of travel, but whether the travel is to some sort of fixed dimensional portal or to an actual same-world location is debatable.

The local flora and fauna are certainly NOTHING like what's present in the main realm of the Narutoverse:
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Dimensional Genjutsu?:
Some advanced genjutsu, even, seem to take their targets to separate dimensions for some nefarious purpose.

Tsukuyomi takes its target to a dimension where the user controls everything, and is used for torture though it could conceivably be used for other things:
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The Toad Confrontation Chant (better known as the Toad Song) seems to take the target's mind to a separate dimension, similar to Tsukuyomi, while their body/bodies are immobilized:
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According to Narutopedia, it can transport any number of targets at once, each to their own world, where they have no possible means of contact. Creating dimensions is EASY, it seems.



Edo Tensei:
The Edo Tensei summons a targetes shinobi from the REALM of the SHINIGAMI, meaning that it DOES transport people across dimensions.





And then, finally, the Hiraishin:
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Minato seems to have changed body position between the moment of his teleportation and the moment of attack, which is the very next INSTANT.

Obito has not managed to move his fingers, or reactivate Kamui.

Minato has extended his right arm, moved his left arm into position to catch the Hiraishin-kunai, and seems to have moved his legs to a more crouching sort of pose.

More proof:
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A doesn't move a muscle, (apart from completely extending his arm, which he was in the process of doing in the last panel) his only reaction is to be stunned.

Minato has assumed a crouched position, the better to jump somewhere quickly.

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Again, A hasn't moved, but Minato now has a kunai ready to stab him with.

Perhaps the best example:
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From a slightly turned, standing position, Minato now crouches, facing forward with both hands raised to stab Bee with a kunai. A hasn't reacted (could be shock), Bee utilizes Minato's momentary comment to move a sword into a defensive position, but that happens JUST a moment later.

And MORE:
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Minato doesn't usually assume that sort of pose while in combat, or while his student is in a battle to the death.



With all this in mind:
Could it be that there is a timeless "Hiraishin Realm", in which Minato can assume a better position to attack opponents? Perhaps one which allows viewing of the outside world, like Obito's partial Kamui? Is THIS what he means by "Level Two"?

It's either that or him being able to use Hiraishin to control his position and momentum...
 
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Good post, just one thing. I don't know about Summons being from other dimensions because for all we know, the Narutoverse has only covered a very small part of "Earth".

Summons could be found on all over the Narutoverse's "Earth" hypothetically, because we haven't seen all of it.

Though that doesn't explain how people met the Summons in the first place.
 

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Good post, just one thing. I don't know about Summons being from other dimensions because for all we know, the Narutoverse has only covered a very small part of "Earth".

Summons could be found on all over the Narutoverse's "Earth" hypothetically, because we haven't seen all of it.

Though that doesn't explain how people met the Summons in the first place.

Yeah, I know the summon realms are the least likely part of the theory. However, the original contact with them could have been achieved through a sealing mishap, like how Jiraiya ends up at Myobokuzan.

And Myobokuzan at least is VERY different from the Elemental Countries, to the point where it very well COULD be a different world.

There are talking toads, gigantic flora of very strange type, seemingly higher than normal amounts of Natural Energy, and NATURALLY OCCURING TOAD OIL.

That last one seems like it could be the most important: If it existed ANYWHERE else in the Elemental Countries, people would have weaponized it. Either as a "Stone Bomb", a sort of handgrenade full of goo that turns people to stone, or through people learning how to master Natural Energy on their own.

With that in mind, Myobokuzan being only accessible for potential summoners and those who stumble through a small, well-hidden portal about thirty days from Konoha (for a skilled shinobi) seems feasible, at least to me...
 

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very nice thread! I don't know if we can speak about a Hiraishin realm...the fact that Minato has different body positions at the moment of teleportation and reappearing can be explained by the fact that he has very quick movements...but don't take my word for it.

good thread nonetheless. + rep
 

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very nice thread! I don't know if we can speak about a Hiraishin realm...the fact that Minato has different body positions at the moment of teleportation and reappearing can be explained by the fact that he has very quick movements...but don't take my word for it.

good thread nonetheless. + rep

I find it unlikely that he can move THAT much faster than Obito, A and Bee, who are all pretty speedy.

Thanks!
 

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No, it's like transporting yourself trough a small tunnel, warping
 

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No, it's like transporting yourself trough a small tunnel, warping

Explain Minato positioning himself so much faster than A, Bee and Obito. Obito didn't have time to even twitch his fingers in the time it took Minato to use Hiaishin AND move both hands and both legs.
 

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Explain Minato positioning himself so much faster than A, Bee and Obito. Obito didn't have time to even twitch his fingers in the time it took Minato to use Hiaishin AND move both hands and both legs.

He's warping? Which is instant..., he's just breaking the time barrier, he isn't moving trough another realm I believe

From a game, but I believe it looks like this if it could be seen by the eye:

Look at the second clip:

 
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He's warping? Which is instant..., he's just breaking the time barrier, he isn't moving trough another realm I believe

From a game, but I believe it looks like this if it could be seen by the eye:

Look at the second clip:


And yet, if you look at the third clip (and ignore the godawful music), which references stuff from the ACTUAL MANGA, he somehow enters into a weird sort of handstand before Kakashi OR the enemy jounin have time to move. And Kakashi is running full-speed with a Chidori active.
 

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Even if there was, he wouldn't know or have seen it... since he appears on the other side of the ftg marking instantly
 

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Even if there was, he wouldn't know or have seen it... since he appears on the other side of the ftg marking instantly

I specified that it would be TIMELESS in the ending text... If you read my whole post, carefully or not, you shouldn't have been able to miss it, as it's VERY LARGE and IN BOLD.

He seems to be using it to optimise his own bodily positioning for later combat.
 
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could be, databook simply says minato moves into a "subspace" while teleporting

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suigetsu says sasuke teleported himself to another dimension
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could be, databook simply says minato moves into a "subspace" while teleporting

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suigetsu says sasuke teleported himself to another dimension
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Thanks, that's exactly the kind of response I was looking for...

People who agree or disagree in an intelligent manner, and who appear to have read the thread.
 

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Why not??
 
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