The End All Debate on the SO6P

[Kyuubibomb]

i went into reading this thread open minded. as i did not believe that the sage was an Uzumaki, i just thought that the Uzumaki's held a scroll passed down from the sage that had all of his sealing jutsu that he possesed. well that is my opinion. none the less this is an incredible thread and hold an open point of view about this and wont say any more until it is proven.

 

[Kyuubibomb]

Anyone have an explanation on why the Sage didn't get the 9 tomoes in each eye if he did get the Rennigan from the Jubbi? I asked his a few pages back and only the OP responded.

i believe that the tamoes represent the amount of bijuu's in the juubi's body when he created the bijuu's from the juubi there would be no tomoes but the rinnegan would be left.

 

[Vegeta]

i believe that the tamoes represent the amount of bijuu's in the juubi's body when he created the bijuu's from the juubi there would be no tomoes but the rinnegan would be left.

That would make a lot of sense, + rep

 

[evilmayo]

So the Sage did pass on his sperm while he was the host of the Juubi and the powers of the Senju and Uchiha predecessors began!

So if he was the host while he was sexing it...... does that mean the ten tails was forced to watch? Lol

 

[Colonel Sanders]

First of all, thank you for the comment. I really appreciate the effort and thought you put into your post.

To this first point. Since you disagree with my point about the Uzumaki not being able to use traditional ninjutsu (as the posts have so thoroughly pointed out) it will be hard to convey my idea. My point about them was that they could exist before the idea of ninja came to be (which is an idea started after the sage) because they are not ninja at all, they could only use sealing/healing/sensory abilites, they have no affinity for any element. And that was my point, if you look at the world before ninjutsu, could it not be argued that it would have been a world dominated by Uzumaki? If Uzumaki cant use traditional ninjutsu, then they are the only people who could have existed before the idea of ninja came to be.

Thanks again for the comment

well im agreeing with you... im just trying to back up what you think with my ideas or reasons as to why it is logical, im saying they couldnt use ninjitsu before chakra became available just like everyone else, however when people like karin or any other uzumaki its because like everyone else... they have learned it so it makes sense that they can use ninjitsu now...beforehand though it seems at a basic level of using chakra which is why its fuinjutsu, senjutsu etc (though that goes against the sealing etc of the strongest creature to exist)

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

well im agreeing with you... im just trying to back up what you think with my ideas or reasons as to why it is logical, im saying they couldnt use ninjitsu before chakra became available just like everyone else, however when people like karin or any other uzumaki its because like everyone else... they have learned it so it makes sense that they can use ninjitsu now...beforehand though it seems at a basic level of using chakra which is why its fuinjutsu, senjutsu etc (though that goes against the sealing etc of the strongest creature to exist)

Okay, well let me ask you this.

You say they can use chakra for basic ninjutsu.

Well do you think Uzumaki have an elemental affinity just like everyone else?

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Anyone have an explanation on why the Sage didn't get the 9 tomoes in each eye if he did get the Rennigan from the Jubbi? I asked his a few pages back and only the OP responded.

well my idea is that the so6p is the body (being able to take all the 10 tails) however he is not the so6p yet... he becomes that when he takes in the 10 tails (being the power of a god yet being uncontrollable) and by being able to control all that power he is able to ascend higher than the 10 tails and himself to become the so6p which would mean he gets the rinnegan... so think of it like this...

Rinnegan =
sage = senju side +
10 tails = uchiha side =
SO6P (GOD)

thats my side of it anyway

 

[lukage]

Stopped reading as it seems to be based on assumptions.
You're assuming they can't use ninjutsu, no factual basis for this argument.
You're saying that the juubi OBVIOUSLY has the rinnegan, for me a rinnegan doesn't have tomoe.
You're presenting opinion-as-fact, a very powerful persuasion technique, but nontheless your "holeproof" theory seems to be littered with assumptions, that we don't know enough about just yet.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Okay, well let me ask you this.

You say they can use chakra for basic ninjutsu.

Well do you think Uzumaki have an elemental affinity just like everyone else?

well im thinking they use yang... ie the good chakra...

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

well im thinking they use yang... ie the good chakra...

So, you dont think so?

Anyway, that is my point. Uzumaki can't use simple things like Bunshin, or any other elemental styles because they existed in a time where these things werent concievable yet. I think it is going to be shown, that peoples elemental affinities originate from the Juubi, as does all ninjutsu. Again, he is chakra personified, a weapon humans were finally able to harness. When the Sage sealed him, he believed giving this power to man would bring peace, when actually, it started a cycle of hatred. Naruto will fix that in the end. We seem to have come full circle from when the Sage faught the Juubi. We now find Naruto staring down the same thing, and he will have to make the same decisions.

Edit: By the way. Welcome to the base. Glad you picked this thread to start on.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

So, you dont think so?

Anyway, that is my point. Uzumaki can't use simple things like Bunshin, or any other elemental styles because they existed in a time where these things werent concievable yet. I think it is going to be shown, that peoples elemental affinities originate from the Juubi, as does all ninjutsu. Again, he is chakra personified, a weapon humans were finally able to harness. When the Sage sealed him, he believed giving this power to man would bring peace, when actually, it started a cycle of hatred. Naruto will fix that in the end. We seem to have come full circle from when the Sage faught the Juubi. We now find Naruto staring down the same thing, and he will have to make the same decisions.

Edit: By the way. Welcome to the base. Glad you picked this thread to start on.

LEt me give you this as a point you might want to ask


- Shinobi use hand Seals to perform a certain Ninjutsu -

Just a hint

 

[Hus]

it all make sense to me although I cant understand how could he inherited his visual power to his elder son if its not in his DNA

 

[ridvan1923]

I read all and I came to realise. You quickly have to help Kishi or you can write the manga. Maybe you're better than him. I think you need to help him for double mangas per week.

You did amazing job with great patience.

Thank you man

 

[Colonel Sanders]

So, you dont think so?

Anyway, that is my point. Uzumaki can't use simple things like Bunshin, or any other elemental styles because they existed in a time where these things werent concievable yet. I think it is going to be shown, that peoples elemental affinities originate from the Juubi, as does all ninjutsu. Again, he is chakra personified, a weapon humans were finally able to harness. When the Sage sealed him, he believed giving this power to man would bring peace, when actually, it started a cycle of hatred. Naruto will fix that in the end. We seem to have come full circle from when the Sage faught the Juubi. We now find Naruto staring down the same thing, and he will have to make the same decisions.

Edit: By the way. Welcome to the base. Glad you picked this thread to start on.

Agreed. And thanks though it was the people that disagreed that made me want to reply (in this thread)

 

[Pervy Wrath]

This will be the first thread I've ever written on. Yaay...

But there is obviously nothing to disagree on with what you said. It's very well thought out. But I thought everybody knew that SO6P got the rinnegan from the 10 tails. At least that's what I've always thought.

But! Aren't the Uzumaki's relatives of the Senju clan? Which of course will make them relatives of the Uchiha's as well. But my point is, SO6P only split himself up into Uchiha and Senju, and the Uzumaki line came from the Senju later on. So how could SO6P be a pure Uzumaki?

 

[PAIN86]

it all make sense to me although I cant understand how could he inherited his visual power to his elder son if its not in his DNA

i have a theory that he created his sons from the creation of all things. divided his powers and gave them to each son. one getting the eyes and the other his body

 

[TrickyDD]

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[Tebows Youth Group]

This will be the first thread I've ever written on. Yaay...

But there is obviously nothing to disagree on with what you said. It's very well thought out. But I thought everybody knew that SO6P got the rinnegan from the 10 tails. At least that's what I've always thought.

But! Aren't the Uzumaki's relatives of the Senju clan? Which of course will make them relatives of the Uchiha's as well. But my point is, SO6P only split himself up into Uchiha and Senju, and the Uzumaki line came from the Senju later on. So how could SO6P be a pure Uzumaki?

Well, thank you for choosing this thread to write on first. This is a point that has been brought up a few times through the posts, and I believe I touched on it a little in the thread (I wish I had added more). But anyway, the Senju and Uzumaki were said to be "distant blood relatives" nothing more. And I concur with that statement, that they are indeed "distant blood relatives". The Uzumaki were a pure clan, the clan of the Sage, and when the two sons came about, the Uzumaki agreed with the younger sons peaceful ways, hence why the Uzumaki and Senju had such close relations.

I hope that clears it up.

 

[mattruto]

This is probably more work than I've put into writing my thesis. Good job on research and making connections! You would probably be awarded a PhD in Naruto.

One question: If Rock Lee had Rinnegan, would he finally be able to use ninjustu?

Again, great thread!

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

This is probably more work than I've put into writing my thesis. Good job on research and making connections! You would probably be awarded a PhD in Naruto.

One question: If Rock Lee had Rinnegan, would he finally be able to use ninjustu?

Again, great thread!

Thank you for the support.

And YES! Absolutely, he would be able to use all elements. I don't know if his body could handle the Rinnengan though.