Three Sannin vs. EMS Sasuke - Sasuke going on rampage

Smd · Nov 19, 2012

MugenTsukuyomi said:
Restriction: Edo Tensei, Jiraya needs as much time as against pain to use sagemode.

the scenario is, sasuke want to test ful potential of his eyes by spamming hi eye techniques. spamming amaterasu, genjutsu, susanoo techniques with Amaterasu magatama.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Sasuke spamming genjutsu and amaterasu, using susanoos complete form covered in amaterasu and spamming amaterasu magatama and covering the field with amaterasu manipulation. can solo all summonings of the sannin.

what do yo thing realistic? i want to know how the sannin can do this.

imagin the scenario sasue covering the field with amaterasu and spamm 20 amaterasu magatama with complete susanoo in amaterasu armor.

another stupid ass troll thread. like really?

naruto cant even defeat all 3 solo.

only ones who could is obito,madara,hashirama

why make a thread about sasuke being trolled?

he could take jairaya atm mid diff

orochimaru with hands is one of the hardest to defeat, unless ur name is itachi

tsuande he could beat mid high diff

Piratefish · Nov 19, 2012

Smd said:
another stupid ass troll thread. like really?

naruto cant even defeat all 3 solo.

only ones who could is obito,madara,hashirama

why make a thread about sasuke being trolled?

he could take jairaya atm mid diff

orochimaru with hands is one of the hardest to defeat, unless ur name is itachi

tsuande he could beat mid high diff

You might be underrating Jiraiya, he's pretty smart and has several techs which end the fight on their own and other methods to deal with Susano'o (Yomi Numa, Goemon). Also check out the Giant Rasengan tactic (as an Amaterasu shield) from my previous post.

Tazzilla88 · Nov 19, 2012

shelke said:
Orochimaru's toxins were in form of vapours, which itself is a liquid form. And let's not bring extreme science into this, okay? Let's stay within Naruto. Orochimaru obviously made Sasuke's body completely immune to all poisons save for his own, as he was going to take it over. He obviously left that poison out as a trump card just to play it safe.

Since you don't have anything to prove this and as Sussano blocked out most of acid mist - it could have blocked more had Sasuke not been that beat up due to extreme stress - it would've blocked it out completely even in that ribcage form. So, we can safly assume that as sussano is Chakra, it does act as an indefinite barrier.

How is he paralyzed when Kabuto had to block out the eyesight as well to completely overwhelm EMS? This is a non-debatable issue, as EMS depends completely on the eye. In order to bring Sasuke out of sussano, they will have to attack the eyes, and they have nothing to accomplish that.

My argument still stands. The frog song is useless against an EMS user, as it attacks via sound.

That was enton Kagatsuchi, meant as a defense not an offense attack that's why it was spreading very slowly. He still lost his arm, didn't he? Now imagine Amatersu in its place on the whole body. Yeah, I can imagine the outcome.

Read those chapters again as to why she was able to accomplish that. And it's not melting it, it was eating through it. Is there any evidence to suggest that he can't? He used it fully around his sussano and then manipulated it till the time Gaara didn't stop the fight. That is long enough to melt sussano considering this 'melting' logic. Sasuke never said, 'damn, I shouldn't use that again on my sussano ever. Or the damn thing will melt'. Which means Sussano is able to sustain higher temperatures for an extended period of time. And like I said, it isn't a physical object but a manifestation of chakra. Any technique could break through it or damage it, but it sure as hell won't melt, as it's not a physical object.

Also, didn't strict point out that Sasuke can ride a hawk while in sussano, and the hawk will also be protected, as we have seen that Sussano can take in additional individuals? By the way, is Goemon a fast technique like Amatersu, Magatma, kirin, Chidori varients, arrows? Do you think Sasuke will just sit back and let him use it?

Your obviously new to debating here, but if you're going to say a character has x power, you have to prove it. You can't simply say, well I made x claim now disprove it. Otherwise Tsunade has a Sage Mode, disprove it. Becomes a valid argument. And it is in no way, shape, or form a valid argument to make.

I think you fail to realize though that his Susanoo can be easily damaged and in that way vapors could easily creep inside. By the way should he cover the hawk in Susanoo, can it still fly as Danzo has proven that Susano can only allow so much air in at once before it's damaged.

You must be registered for see images

Additionally, that also means the hawk now has to support the added weight of Susanoo and Sasuke which may not be possible, and if it is the hawk will move much slower, while having less defense than what would be found in full susanoo. Essentially, Sasuke just becomes a slower moving target in the sky.

That said let's look at this from an individual basis.
In his current arsenal Sasuke has Susanoo, Tsukuyomi, and Amaterasu, he also has chidori variants. He has a hawk summoning. Kenjutsu skills, and Katon. You can expand on these if you like, I won't.

The Sannin however, have a certain skill set each unique to them. Tsunade is my area of expertise, and I'm quite sleepy right now and ergo lazy but for the sake of giving the other sannin their due credit.

Jiraiya
Needle Jizo

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke
Among Sasuke's many abilities is his swordsmanship. However, in order to be effective, Sasuke must be able to get in close. Nizo Jizo prevents this, and in fact poses Sasuke with the option of being stabbed himself in an effort to attack Jiraiya. Furthermore we've seen that Jiraiya has captured and held opponents with his hair and has stabbed them from a distance with it. In addition to cutting with his hair.

You must be registered for see images

Swamp of the Underworld

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke
This justu is particularly useful the strategy that many are suggesting for Sasuke, namely hiding out in Susanoo. Why is it useful? Susanoo acts as a physical object, meaning it has matter. It takes up space and has weight. Because it is able to withstand the attacks of A and other characters we can surmise that Susanoo has high density. As under the same conditions to which Susanoo has been tested, namely Tsunade and A's strength, stone would have crumbled we can hypothesize that Susanoo has a greater density than stone, and the human body. Why is this relevant? Beyond the density and weight of Susanoo it has no bottom. Which helps in terms of sinking, because it's shape allows some of the weight to be distributed inside so it will not sink as far. The bad news being, because it is not closed, the mud would go inside of Susanoo and suffocate Sasuke. Furthermore, if Sasuke decides to undo Susanoo he opens himself up to the plethora of techniques possessed by the sannin

Flame Bombs

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke
Jiraiya and Sasuke both use Katon. So Sasuke's advantage there has disappeared as Jiraiya has shown a greater capacity and greater flexibility with his katons. What is particularly helpful here is the fact that Jiraiya can form oil in his mouth before using a katon which in turn makes his katons stronger. And I've think we've seen that a bigger fire overwhelms a smaller one.

You must be registered for see images

Toad Summons and Jutsu

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke
Jiraiya has been shown using 5 toads in battle. Two of which are boss sized toads, one is a giant toad, and the other two are ma and pa. The immediate risk that comes up is Food Cart Destroyer. The next issue Sasuke has to contend with is the toad's Kenjutsu. In addition Gamaken carries a shield which could protect himself or others from physical attacks. Additionally, Gamabunta does utilize oil, on the largest scale shown to date. When used in conjunction with a katon it is enough to create a flame much larger than him and all of the boss summons combined.

You must be registered for see images

Furthermore, in terms of stopping Sasuke's Katon's Gamabunta can also create water jutsu.

You must be registered for see images

which is more than enough to put out Sasuke's Katon's.
As Tsunade punched broke Susanoo with a punch, and shattered it with a kick, and managed to completely lay out a clone with a punch assuming Gamabunta is as strong as her, or that Gamabunta is stronger. He should be able to slice through Susanoo. The same goes with Gamahiro, and Gamaken would be able to crush it. If they are weaker, because they have a cutting tool their job will be made easier. If Susanoo is weakened by the Katon barrage it's recieved the swords should be able to slice through it like a hot knife through butter. This however does not end the summons section. The elder toads have some ability. Namely Shima can block Sasuke's vision with

You must be registered for see links

She also has the Fighting Tongue Bind to hold Sasuke or his hawk in place. While Fukasuka has the Fighting Tongue Slash to cut Sasuke apart. I also would like to point out that Kabuto demonstrated that those with gifted eyes are not immune to sound based attacks. The elder toads possess two different attacks. Both take effect due to sound, but the Demonic Illusion Chant controls what the subject sees while leaving the opponent immobile, whereas frog call simply stuns the opponent. In either case, we have no reason to believe that sound waves cannot penetrate Susanno, as Sasuke was able to have conversation with Itachi while in Susanoo.

You must be registered for see images

. Either jutsu would be extremely useful in any situation as it leaves Sasuke a sitting duck.
In terms of maximum power punches there Goemon. Which is powerful alone. But what happens when Gamabunta provides the oil instead of Jiraiya, and Jiraiya and Shima both provide the katon, while Orochimaru and Fukasuka provide the wind, and Tsunade decides to act as an amplifier? You have a lot more oil, with a lot more fire, made even hotter by the wind stoking the flames.
Rasengan

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke
Should Sasuke come in close range, Jiraiya could choose to negate any attack with Rasengan. While I highly doubt it will penetrate Susanoo, should Jiraiya catch Sasuke out of Susanoo, any level of rasengan would spell trouble for Sasuke.

How Jiraiya uses Shadow Clones against Sasuke:
Jiraiya has been seen on more than one occasion using shadow clones. He's used them for training and he's used them as feints. Thus he may use a shadow clone to trick Sasuke, or have a shadow clone hold the Toad Flatness — Shadow Manipulation Technique and nail sasuke with an attack.

You must be registered for see images

How Jiraiya uses barriers and paralytic effects against Sasuke: Jiraiya is also quite well known for his use of barriers. If Sasuke is truly on a rampage and rushes into one of Jiraiya's traps he can end up inside of the toad gourd prison. Which melted one of Pein's Path's in half. The canopy barrier would allow Jiraiya to be aware of Sasuke's every movement if he should lose eyesight. With the Shadow Manipulation, and Susanoo casting a large shadow is quite possible for one of Jiraiya's shadow clones to immobilize Susanoo while other teammembers attacks.

Sage Mode

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke

In addition to the possibilities listed above, the greatest benefit from Jiraiya's Sage mode has to deal with genjutsu. Because Ma and Pa are constantly feeding into his chakra pool they would know immediately when it was being controlled and could counter the genjutsu by disrupting Jiraiya's chakra flow.

Orochimaru
Attack Prevention: So now Sasuke faces the challenge of hitting Orochimaru. Another factor to consider is what may happen to the Amaterasu flames when Orochimaru becomes one with the ground or whatever medium he's using.
Eight Branches: Perhaps the only option Sasuke may have against Eight Branches is Amaterasu, but Sasuke still has a limit and spamming Amaterasu on something which can come back on you is not the brightest idea.
Formation of 10000 snakes: Obviously Sasuke is immune to the poison of these snakes, what is dangerous about them is the fact that not only do they have swords but they can bind you by coiling around the enemy making motion impossible.
Body Shedding: Should Orochimaru take a high amount of damage or be caught off guard with Amaterasu and be unable to remove the black flames Body Shedding will allow him to return to his original state.
Many Hidden Shadow Snake Hands: Once again this technique is great for restraining Sasuke, which would serve the purposes of a combination attack.
Rashomon: If Orochimaru got the Rashomon gates up fast enough to block a mini TBB there is a possibility he could completely block Amaterasu with these gates.
Longsword of the Sky: With this technique Oro could stand far behind the gates and attack Sasuke continually with the longsword or he can have it pop from underground while Sasuke is Susanoo. Additionally, because of Orochimaru's ability to change his body's characteristics he's able to attack from extremely long distances and from unlikely places. If Orochimaru places the Rashomon gates up first then perform this attack on Sasuke has no way of preparing for as trapped within the confines of Susanoo would be fatally impaled.

You must be registered for see images

Wind Release: Great Breakthrough : With these jutsu not only could Orochimaru add in the Goemon attack, but he could also use this attack as method of distracting Sasuke.
Gathering of Snakes: Should Sasuke get in attacks with the susanoo sword or his blade Orochimaru can heal them with gathering of snakes.
Not to mention that Orochimaru has 4 different boss snake summonings which can are anaconda based. Which means they specialize in squeezing things to death. Should they wrap around Susanoo, it's a very real possibility that the Susanoo body, may do the same thing a human body does when been squeezed by an Anaconda, never mind several of them, which would lead the fall of Susanoo. And an exposed Sasuke.

Tsunade

I will first demonstrate that Tsunade is in fact a quick opponent. I will then highlight Tsunade's strength and battle style for future reference, in this section I differentiate between Tsunade's two types of strength which is relevant for the sake of my Preta Path argument. We will look at Tsunade's durability and stamina feats which show that she is not going to be so simply taken out of the picture and that gravitational powers do not necessarily spell death for her. Then I will show that Tsunade is a highly intelligent person with the ability to think on her feet. I will then display Katsuyu's abilities for the sake of my arguments for against Deva and Animal paths. I will then conclude with a possible scenario for each individual battle and a team battle. I encourage you to read both posts.

Tsunade's Speed and Reflexes:

Most people think that Tsunade is slow and sluggish. In fact, people often think her affinity to slugs make her slow. They bring in databook numbers to say that she is slow. So I will actually bring her feats into play here.
when Tsunade shoves Gamabunta's sword into Manda's mouth I'd call that a speed of feat. Thinking Logically about the feat Manda went underground and blitzed Gamabunta. Neither Gamabunta nor Jiraiya had time to react. It would make no logical sense for Tsunade to be in the air with the sword with no target as she has not the ability to hover. Therefore, she must have jumped and reacted after Manda appeared above ground and managed to attack him with such accuracy coming from off panel.

You must be registered for see images

When Tsunade threw herself in front of Orochimaru's blade that was a feat of speed . And considering Jiraiya was only able to to form a single handseal before Oro's blade struck Tsunade and no one even thought it was capable to get in the way judging by their shocked faces yet Tsunade did.

You must be registered for see images

And when Tsunade attacked Orochimaru I'd consider that a feat of speed considering Orochimaru was paying close enough attention to her he could tell her trembling had stopped yet he was completely unprepared for Tsunade's kick.

You must be registered for see images

When Madara was attacking the 5 kage with his Katon none of the kages were able to react in time not even A. Yet Tsunade not only saw the attack but was able to respond as well.

You must be registered for see images

When Tsunade blitzed Shizune, Shizune had no way of reacting in fact she was completely caught off guard.

You must be registered for see images

And Tsunade was able to use her speed to avoid Naruto's attacks without much effort.

You must be registered for see images

And Tsunade literally blitzed Kabuto in the time it took to push up his glasses.

You must be registered for see images

She was also able to blitz the advisers as well

You must be registered for see images

In addition the her and A were able to completely approach Bee and Naruto in such a quick manner neither Bee nor Naruto saw it coming and had the kages wanted to they could've blitzed the jinchuurikis.

You must be registered for see images

Furthermore in the time it takes Raikage to punch in his V1 form Tsunade has already began running implying that she is not slow.

You must be registered for see images

The fact that her speed was compared to A's is a great thing. No she is not in his speed range, but being compared to the second fastest character alive would she's not slow, the same way Raikage's strength in comparison to the strongest character alive does not make him weak.

You must be registered for see images

When Kabuto was attacking Tsunade is was a fact that Tsunade had been out of battle many years. It was a fact that she had not been resting. It was also a fact that she was holding back based on her not using Katsuyu or Creation Rebirth.

You must be registered for see images

Even still, Tsunade was able to react very well defensively.

You must be registered for see images

And Tsunade was able to blitz Jiraiya and force Kabuto into a position in which he could not avoid taking damage and thus he had to resort to exploiting her hemophobia.

You must be registered for see images

Additionally in her fight against Madara, Madara had her taking one 5 autonomous clones of himself wrapped in Susanoo. Meaning they had the sharingan precognition and the rinnegan shared vision yet Tsunade was still able to get behind a clone and incapacitated it. And because each kage received 5 clones to fight, yet we only see four in the picture two of which are definitely left standing behind Tsunade, another is ambigously farther away either collapsed on top of a stone sharing a fate similar to the clone in front of Tsunade or unable to close the distance. We can reason that she had incapacitated at least two clones.

You must be registered for see images

We again saw Tsunade's reflexes during Madara's attack when Madara was using his perfect Susanoo Tsunade had started another jutsu.

You must be registered for see images

In addition she was able to coordinate a joint attack with Mei, A, and Oonoki when A was in his raiton armor.

You must be registered for see images

Orochimaru and Kabuto were nearly blitzed together in Tsunade's initial up front attack they narrowly escaped death.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade also managed to blitz Madara with him being not only completely caught off guard but incapable of preparing his counter attack before Tsunade's attack landed.

You must be registered for see images

Even in a fatigued state so great that she was moments away from going into a coma she managed to beat anbu to Pein.

You must be registered for see images

Additionally, Tsunade's hands moved fast enough that not only was she able to disarm and neutralize Naruto but pickpocket him and hide away his wallet all without being seen in the action, while intoxicated.

You must be registered for see images

And when Pein was about to attack with Asura's path Tsunade's arm had already risen, which means logically she could have simply struck the blizting Asura path. So she was a victim of plot no jutsu and fatigue

You must be registered for see images

Even when distracted and drunk, Tsunade was able to respond to what she thought was a fully powered rasengan using only one finger.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade's Strength and battle prowess:

Tsunade has proven that she is physically the strongest character in Naruto. She accomplishes this in two ways. She uses medical ninjutsu to create chakra explosions.

You must be registered for see images

and due to the explanation given of the medical ninjutsu strength we can reason that lifting, maneuvering and pulling attacks we were shown were accomplished through natural strength.

You must be registered for see images

I though will provide more examples of her strength though.
The wall in Tanzuku town crumbled when Tsunade struck it.

You must be registered for see images

With one finger Tsunade split the ground leaving a crevice so large that Naruto was able to fall inside of it.

You must be registered for see images

This attack illustrates that Tsunade is willing to use shockwaves, a by product of her strength, to gain an advantage in battle. Incidently, Tsunade's shockwaves are strong enough to break through solid stone walls, in the close up you can see the damage actually extended slightly pass the walls, and in the farther shot you can see both walls to heavy damage meaning if someone was caught by her shockwaves instead of her direct strength they would still take great damage and possibly even suffer death.

You must be registered for see images

Another byproduct of Tsunade's strength is a change in environment. This change, makes opponent's whose moves are swifter than Tsunade a risk to use because of uneven footing. Tsunade though has shown that she is adept at maneuvering even in such circumstances.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade has also proven that she is willing to use her environment to aid her in battle and is willing to use the resources available to her to claim victory. By extension she could use the aftermath of her strength i.e. rocks and boulders as projetiles, and as MLB players can pitch with speeds over 100 miles per hour I imagine that the speed of Tsunade's projectiles would be much higher given her strength..

You must be registered for see images

Furthermore, Tsunade does not only attack with brute strength but also in ways specific to medical ninjas. Such as targeting pressure points and forcing involuntary reactions.

You must be registered for see images

She uses medical ninjutsu to scatter brain signals and she uses medical ninjutsu directly as an agent of death.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade should have a method of fighting similar to Kabuto as she made a comparison between his fighting style and hers. As Tsunade's style of fighting is so radically different she couldn't make a valid comparison unless she use a method of attack similar to Kabuto. She's proven that PTS Kabuto's strength is no where near her past prime strength (not just physically but all around as a ninja) thus it only stands to reason she was referring to using medical ninjutsu offensively. Even the way the statement was phrased in that it was prefaced to him being a medical ninja before finishing the statement suggests that the following was related to him being a medical ninja.

You must be registered for see images

As one can pierce organs without piercing the skin it is reasonable with medical ninjutsu she can pierce the skin without touching the person

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade taught Sakura how to pick up on an opponents method of fighting and alter your own to better defend, and by extension attack

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade's Intelligence:

Needless to say Tsunade is intelligent. For instance, before the battle with Orochimaru she poisoned Jiraiya to make sure he did not interfere with any of her decisions.

You must be registered for see images

She opted to end Orochimaru subtly with a sneak attack than a large time consuming showdown

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade is able to understand how motivation affects people and their performance on the battlefield.

You must be registered for see images

While Tsunade is an emotional person, she is able to rationalize and objectively analyze situations.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade can reason on the motives of her enemies and spot traps ahead of time.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade here indicates that she didn't just stick Yamato with team Kakashi for kicks and giggles nor just because of him being powerful, but also because he mokuton includes Chakra suppression.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade also shows that she knew that if the Hidden Leaf really crumbled then Naruto would be in grave danger, thus he had to fight to defend it if he had any chance in being safe.

You must be registered for see images

In stressful situations Tsunade has managed to provide quick leadership the has a solid plan of defense. And she knew a means to hand out information instanteously is paramount. And therefore, she knows the value of information and thus would strive to obtain it through whatever means necessary.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade has also shown her ability to think up counters to enemies unusual abilities once she has information on them.

You must be registered for see images

As opposed to most people Tsunade was able to perceive that Pein was about to launch a large scale attack.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade also realizes when desperate measures demand an all out attack. Even out thinking Shikaku in this regard.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade was able to out think Raikage and perceive what Naruto experienced before he told them.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade's rules for medical nin highlights her knowledge of battle strategy.

You must be registered for see images

And we see while the medical ninja is supposed to be the last on the team to die in battle in the case against Tsunade. She intends to allow the kage to make a comeback by healing them allowing them to protect the shinobi world

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade also managed to set a trap for Madara, that Madara did not expect

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade's Durability and Stamina:

She arrived and used

You must be registered for see links

. When she used creation Rebirth against Orochimaru it ate up the

You must be registered for see links

.
She then

You must be registered for see links

Oonoki and Gaara and replenished chakras.
She then

You must be registered for see links

Mei and replenished her chakra.
She then used

You must be registered for see links

and

You must be registered for see links

Madara.
She then regenerated from the

You must be registered for see links

sword
She then

You must be registered for see links

from three

You must be registered for see links

She then regenerated from at least two more

You must be registered for see links

while immobilizing two of them.
She then

You must be registered for see links

more chakra to Oonoki so he could use his biggest Jinton yet
She then tanked the damage of a

You must be registered for see links

that was meant to kill 5 people.
Tsunade was apparently also bisected by mokuton. Even in the bisected state however, she is apparently capable of returning to one piece. And is still able to use jutsus.

You must be registered for see images

Sword of Kusanagi

You must be registered for see images

Cut abdomen and Bicep Muscles

You must be registered for see images

Cut Respiratory Muscles

You must be registered for see images

Shinra Tensei Fully Powered

Here she is healing the village and the seal in unbroken.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images
Here she is talking to Pein after she's healed the village. The seal is still unbroken (using multiple pictures to show its not a mistake like when Kishi accidently gave raikage back his arm)

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

(it looks as though Tsunade was about to fight him based on what the Anbu said)

You must be registered for see images
This is Tsunade chasing after Pein to stop him, making her closer to the initial point of contact for Shinra Tensei FP - seal unbroken

You must be registered for see images

This is Tsunade after she's realized he's got more up his sleeves than what has already been used the seal is still unbroken (using this picture to show that Tsunade isn't running away from the epicenter of Shinra Tensei in the picture above)

You must be registered for see images
This is Tsunade after Shinra Tensei hits -no seal
You must be registered for see images

What's even more impressive is that she didn't use Creation Rebirth on herself as she's bleeding.
Tsunade used Katsuya to protect the other villagers but there is not Katsuyu with her.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images
Bearing in mind Tsunade has already expended a lot of chakra to heal the villagers, then tanking a full Shinra Tensei up close in personal is quite a feat.
And she had the stamina to climb from under the collaspbed building and beat the Anbu to the scene

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

before ... being blitzed.
So My point being after healing the village, and summoning Katsuyu (which as Jiraiya and Naruto showed us requires a bit of chakra to summon large creatures)

You must be registered for see images

she tanked Shinra Tensei and rehealed the village.

Katsuyu's abilities:

Among Katsyuyu's abilities is the ability to divide into many versions of herself. Her full bodied self is capable of spitting acid so it is logical to assume that her minis could as well..

You must be registered for see images

Or given how Tsunade was able to heal the village through Katsuya and she was going to kill Orochimaru with Medical Ninjutsu if a small katsuyu a few inches long is stuck on an opponent Tsunade needs only to channel the technique through Katsuya to kill an opponent. I can see Tsunade inacting this jutsu while multitasking as she always holds the jutsu that keeps her looking young, while using augmented monster strength, while using forbidden jutsus, or how she keeps up her technique while she heals.In addition to the obvious fact that Katsuyu can crush people. Given the crushing power of this mini katsuyu it only stands to reason the a full sized katsuyu would be much more deadly.

You must be registered for see images

We also know that Katsuyu can completely envelop people quickly even without their permission

You must be registered for see images

And Tsunade can seeming sense what Katsuyu sees

You must be registered for see images

Katsuyu can transfer information over multiple battlefields at once

You must be registered for see images

Logically a mini katsuyu like this one could stay with Tsunade and insert chakra into her to wake her from genjutsu

You must be registered for see images

Katsuyu cannot be harmed cutting or stabbing and as we've seen her withstand Shinra Tensei FP and Chibaku Tensei it is safe to assume she can withstand being crushed.

You must be registered for see images

For Tsunade her primary responsibility will be in the role of medic. But she has shown sufficient skills in speed that grant us the knowledge to know that should the other two sannins be incapable of taking down Sasuke she has the speed to hit him. We've also seen that she has a certain control with electricity, in this way, she can prevent herself from being paralyzed by Chidori Nagashi. She not only has the hype but shown expertise with avoiding attacks to safely suggest she can avoid the majority of Sasuke's attacks. With Byakugu she can heal from the attacks she was unable to avoid. In terms of Amaterasu, should she be caught ablaze with hit, she needs only hit Sasuke's Susanoo for the blaze's attacking her to begin to attack his Susanoo. In this way he would create a self defeating circle, in which it would be better for his chakra levels not to use amaterasu on Tsunade at all, than to continuously repair susanoo and extinguish or control the attacking flames.
Katsuyu is one of the most useful summons. Her acid, has been shown to be stronger than Mei's thus it is not a stretch to say that Katsuyu's acid should quickly eat through Susanoo.
But I know you're itching to respond to this post, and I left some bases untouched because I still wanna grab that nap so I'll clear up whatever points I left open when I'm well rested.

But you mean to tell me when he would have trouble against any of the sannin 1 vs 1 he's going to defeat them all together? Ok...

Slug Princess Tsunade · Nov 19, 2012

Tazzilla, I'm in love with you <3

Piratefish · Nov 20, 2012

Slug Princess Tsunade said:
Tazzilla, I'm in love with you <3

No love for me... My post may not have been as pretty as Tazzilla's, but wasn't it as well-reasoned as his either?

shelke · Nov 20, 2012

@Tazzilla88. Here are my counters for all your points. I am not new to debates, and even as I post links and counters you'll come up with more things, ignoring what I post. But i'll bite regardless.

Jariya:

Your fight point is wrong on two levels: One, that is an incomplete sussano, and secondly, Danzo broke through a very small portion of an 'incomplete Sussano' with Baku's Suction and his wind Vacuum Blade rush, whose power was greatly increased because of Baku's suction.

You must be registered for see links

.

You must be registered for see links

and Sasuke stabilized it, and gave danzo a punch before he could do anything.

You must be registered for see links

.

It's to be noted here that even at incomplete level, Sussano provides a much better defense than Gaara's:

You must be registered for see links

Thirdly, Sussano is not a physical but a manifestation of Chakra. There is nothing to suggest that it weight several tons when it's not a physical object at all. How would the hawk feel weight of spiritual energy? A debatable issue, isn't it?

Now for the step by step counters:

A: To fight the sanins, Sasuke will go immediately into Sussano mode, so this needle attack is virtually useless against a level 4, complete sussano:

You must be registered for see links

. Gaara couldn't scratch an incomplete Sussano with three jounins by his side, there is no way such a slight attack would even make Sasuke sneeze:

You must be registered for see links

- Sasuke taking on Gaara and three other ninjas.

You must be registered for see links

B: Amatersu eats through flames:

You must be registered for see links

. An effective wall or Kagatsuchi around his sussano will render any flame attack useless:

You must be registered for see links

or

You must be registered for see links

. Sussano, surrounded by a wall of Amatersu or Kagatsuchi will render any fire technique useless, that much is certain.

C: Swamp of the underworld uses two hand seals, and thus is far too slow for Amatersu and arrows, because both of them are quite instant:

Amatersu: A was fully anticipating the attack:

You must be registered for see links

, and look at this carefully:

You must be registered for see links

- The flames appear EXACTLY at that very instant and point where Sasuke wanted them. A was only able to dodge - as Shee pointed out - with his lightening release armour and Body flicker, and he BARELY did so. Had he not used both techniques, he would've been burnt to a crisp.

Why is it instant? It's so because of the following points:

You must be registered for see links

- Black Flames will burn on the point wherever the eye is focused.

You must be registered for see links

- Amatersu almost as fast as Kirin.
Amatersu goes wherever the eye goes:

You must be registered for see links

.

So it's safe to assume that Sasuke woun't just stand there like an idiot and let him use his hand-seals for swamp.

B: Arrows:

- To take advantage of the seals, he can use arrows as well, which were so fast that Danzo only dodge it with Izanagi as there was no time to form any seal at all:

You must be registered for see links

and

You must be registered for see links

. And Kakashi had to use Kamui:

You must be registered for see links

and

You must be registered for see links

.

C: Summons:

These can be taken out easily with one well-placed Amatersu flame, as they are very big targets or Magatama can also do the trick:

Amatersu: Sasuke using Amatersu on Hachibi and the flames almost instantly spread:

You must be registered for see links

Magatama:

You must be registered for see links

These summons won't pose any threat to Sasuke whatsoever. But will only heat up the atmosphere as Sasuke can create countless enton projectiles with Magatama, posing instant threat to the sanins. They'll be complete fools to even attempt a summon, as this'll only create an advantageous situation for Sasuke to create Kirin readily:

Sasuke used up all chakra for that jutsu alone:

You must be registered for see links

It was used to manipulate the rising air current and create the rain cloud:

You must be registered for see links

He took advantage of Amatersu heat as well :

You must be registered for see links

Here, he'll only have to use enough Amatersu Magatamas to create one.

D: Water: It's useless against Amatersu.

- The Sanin mode requires forever to initiate in case of Jiraya. Sasuke is not letting him get into it. During its transition, the only one who is a sitting duck, is Jiriya. Sasuke can take him out easily if he attempts to go into it with arrows, Amatersu, senbon, and magatama. Doemon is again a sage mode technique. He'll have to get into it first, and even if he does, one wall of Amatersu will render any fire technique completely useless as I mentioned above.

- Shadow clones are useless against Sasuke as EMS can detect mokuton clones as pointed out by Madara. So Sasuke will easily see through the clones.

Immune to poisons:

You must be registered for see links

.

E: Barrier and genjutsu points:

The sharingen has the following abilities in relation to the kaleidoscope techniques:

Sasuke is able to sense objects behind solid hindrances:

You must be registered for see links

- The sharingen can see chakra, even determining how much is left within a user.
Sharingen can detect Chakra disturbance:

You must be registered for see links

How will sasuke end up in a barrier and how will that dust cloud harm EMS in any way, when sharingen can do all of the above? As I said, Kabuto completely impaired the eyes. These jutsu is not doing it, hence its uselessness. I have repeatedly pointed it out.

Tsunade:

A: Speed:

- Tsunade is much slower than A, as she lacks an armour which boosts speed and body flicker technique. This was pointed out by Madara as well:
How is she dodging Magatama, amatersu, or arrows - look at my above points for the speed of the techniques?

- Tsunade's duriblity is not more than an eight tailed beast that was screaming when Amatersu hit it square in the face (Refer to my points on amatersu for the links), when bijus have an immense amount of chakra, and instant healing abilities. Once hit, all she can do is writhe in pain and continue using the technique before Amatersu will eat through her chakra, body, and bones. It continues to burn for 7 days and nights once hit. There is no way in hell she's surviving that.

- Katsuyu can be easily countered with Kagatsuchi around the complete sussano, Magatama, and senbon. She won't be able to harm a complete sussano wrapped with Kagatsuchi and an additional wall of pure Amatersu around sussano like Sasuke did in his fight with Kabuto.

Orochimaru:

- Most of your points are strange, and i don't know what to say. The 8 snakes will get hit with Amatersu and Sussano grabs are also great to tear off the heads and grab the Sanins as well, as they were quick enough to grab Kabuto's snakes while he was in DSM mode:

You must be registered for see links

.

- How will any snakes' coil or constricting will work when Sussano is encased in Katsuchi and has a wall of amatersu around?

- With Enton projectiles littered around the field with Magatama, how will he continue to shed skins?

- Are the gates faster than Amatersu, Magatama, or arrows? I don't think so.

These Sanins have ZERO counters for Sasuke's blaze releases , its variants, and its incorporation on complete sussano. Even arrows are too fast for them. Other than sealing by Jariya - which is a sluggish feat - they have nothing on them, and yet, all Sasuke has to do is use magatama and create a barrage of projectiles to take them out. None of them are fast enough to evade arrows, that have cleaved through thick structures:

You must be registered for see links

and

You must be registered for see links

and are so fast that they don't even give time to form hand seals, hence the reason why Kakashi used Kamui and Danzo Izanagi.

Also, once Sasuke abuses matagama, it'll take minutes to form thunder clouds, and no one is surviving kirin that obliterated an entire mountain, and Sasuke can manipulate its shape at will. Sorry, Sasuke takes this as you are forming points without taking anything from Sasuke's side. While I have already countered them at every page. So saying that he can't do this and that is just one-sided logic, as the Sanins have shown no featss that are fast and durable enough to counter all these indefinitely.

Slug Princess Tsunade · Nov 21, 2012

Piratefish said:
No love for me... My post may not have been as pretty as Tazzilla's, but wasn't it as well-reasoned as his either?

Of course I love you too

) In fact I love everyone who doesnt underestimate the Legendary Sannin.

Piratefish · Nov 21, 2012

Slug Princess Tsunade said:
Of course I love you too ) In fact I love everyone who doesnt underestimate the Legendary Sannin.

Thank you very much! Spreading love and not hate while on the internet is a rare gift, and you should treasure it.

Shirou Emiya · Nov 21, 2012

sannin easy oro could solo

9th Raikage · Nov 24, 2012

Sasuke himself said he could not defeat a healthy orochimaru and only won bc he was ill. There is no way Sasuke could beat Jiriyah if even Itachi and Kisame together could not take him. Therefore to battle all 3 Sanin would be amazingly stupid on Sasuke's part.

The Sanin are arguably the biggest team threat ever. Oro is seemingly indistructable, as is Tsunade. Jiriya is a power house with an insane amount of chakra and not to mention sage mode and sage chakra that doesnt run out thanks to ma and pa. Jiriya's jutsu are unique and extremly effective. Not to mention he knows how to seal Amaterasu. He was also very smart in combat. Genjutsu wont work on him bc ma and pa are constantly giving him chakra or Tsunade would like she did with the Tsuchikage.

Oro has an impressive jutst arsenal as well and can perform edo tensei.

Tsunade's strength is even more insane than we knew since we have now seen that technique she has when the black lines wrap her body and increase her strength and she heals automatically. She can take a fire attack head on and not have even a singe on her skin.

I dont think there is a team more dangerous than these three. Unfortunately they didnt stick together. Could you imagine the sanin vs Nagato in stead of Jiriya going alone? That would be an epic battle. How about The Sanin vs Madara. Or Sanin vs Tobi and Madara. Would love to see Jiraya on the battle field during this war

Turson · Nov 24, 2012

9th Raikage said:
Sasuke himself said he could not defeat a healthy orochimaru and only won bc he was ill. There is no way Sasuke could beat Jiriyah if even Itachi and Kisame together could not take him.

Itachi was bluffing. Jiraiya would lose to Itachi, let alone Itachi supported by Kisame. Sasuke was way weaker back then.

As for now, he would lose against them, but he should be able to take down at least one of them in the process.

BlackDude · Nov 24, 2012

Sasuke wins

Amaterasu Tsunade at the beginning .. Then he just defeats both jiraya and orochimaru

9th Raikage · Nov 25, 2012

Turson said:
Itachi was bluffing. Jiraiya would lose to Itachi, let alone Itachi supported by Kisame. Sasuke was way weaker back then.

As for now, he would lose against them, but he should be able to take down at least one of them in the process.

Bluffing? Are you serious? If that's your best argument dont bother. I guess he was blluffing when he said he didnt want the action to attract attention from the rest of the village shinobi too huh? Get real. Jiriya>Itachi.

9th Raikage · Nov 25, 2012

BlackDude said:
Sasuke wins

Amaterasu Tsunade at the beginning .. Then he just defeats both jiraya and orochimaru

Jiriya would seal away the flames of Amaterasu and Tsunade would heal the burns. FAIL

9th Raikage · Nov 25, 2012

Tazzilla88 said:
Your obviously new to debating here, but if you're going to say a character has x power, you have to prove it. You can't simply say, well I made x claim now disprove it. Otherwise Tsunade has a Sage Mode, disprove it. Becomes a valid argument. And it is in no way, shape, or form a valid argument to make.

I think you fail to realize though that his Susanoo can be easily damaged and in that way vapors could easily creep inside. By the way should he cover the hawk in Susanoo, can it still fly as Danzo has proven that Susano can only allow so much air in at once before it's damaged.

You must be registered for see images

Additionally, that also means the hawk now has to support the added weight of Susanoo and Sasuke which may not be possible, and if it is the hawk will move much slower, while having less defense than what would be found in full susanoo. Essentially, Sasuke just becomes a slower moving target in the sky.

That said let's look at this from an individual basis.
In his current arsenal Sasuke has Susanoo, Tsukuyomi, and Amaterasu, he also has chidori variants. He has a hawk summoning. Kenjutsu skills, and Katon. You can expand on these if you like, I won't.

The Sannin however, have a certain skill set each unique to them. Tsunade is my area of expertise, and I'm quite sleepy right now and ergo lazy but for the sake of giving the other sannin their due credit.

Jiraiya
Needle Jizo

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke
Among Sasuke's many abilities is his swordsmanship. However, in order to be effective, Sasuke must be able to get in close. Nizo Jizo prevents this, and in fact poses Sasuke with the option of being stabbed himself in an effort to attack Jiraiya. Furthermore we've seen that Jiraiya has captured and held opponents with his hair and has stabbed them from a distance with it. In addition to cutting with his hair.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Swamp of the Underworld

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke
This justu is particularly useful the strategy that many are suggesting for Sasuke, namely hiding out in Susanoo. Why is it useful? Susanoo acts as a physical object, meaning it has matter. It takes up space and has weight. Because it is able to withstand the attacks of A and other characters we can surmise that Susanoo has high density. As under the same conditions to which Susanoo has been tested, namely Tsunade and A's strength, stone would have crumbled we can hypothesize that Susanoo has a greater density than stone, and the human body. Why is this relevant? Beyond the density and weight of Susanoo it has no bottom. Which helps in terms of sinking, because it's shape allows some of the weight to be distributed inside so it will not sink as far. The bad news being, because it is not closed, the mud would go inside of Susanoo and suffocate Sasuke. Furthermore, if Sasuke decides to undo Susanoo he opens himself up to the plethora of techniques possessed by the sannin

Flame Bombs

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke
Jiraiya and Sasuke both use Katon. So Sasuke's advantage there has disappeared as Jiraiya has shown a greater capacity and greater flexibility with his katons. What is particularly helpful here is the fact that Jiraiya can form oil in his mouth before using a katon which in turn makes his katons stronger. And I've think we've seen that a bigger fire overwhelms a smaller one.

You must be registered for see images

Toad Summons and Jutsu

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke
Jiraiya has been shown using 5 toads in battle. Two of which are boss sized toads, one is a giant toad, and the other two are ma and pa. The immediate risk that comes up is Food Cart Destroyer. The next issue Sasuke has to contend with is the toad's Kenjutsu. In addition Gamaken carries a shield which could protect himself or others from physical attacks. Additionally, Gamabunta does utilize oil, on the largest scale shown to date. When used in conjunction with a katon it is enough to create a flame much larger than him and all of the boss summons combined.

You must be registered for see images

Furthermore, in terms of stopping Sasuke's Katon's Gamabunta can also create water jutsu.

You must be registered for see images

which is more than enough to put out Sasuke's Katon's.
As Tsunade punched broke Susanoo with a punch, and shattered it with a kick, and managed to completely lay out a clone with a punch assuming Gamabunta is as strong as her, or that Gamabunta is stronger. He should be able to slice through Susanoo. The same goes with Gamahiro, and Gamaken would be able to crush it. If they are weaker, because they have a cutting tool their job will be made easier. If Susanoo is weakened by the Katon barrage it's recieved the swords should be able to slice through it like a hot knife through butter. This however does not end the summons section. The elder toads have some ability. Namely Shima can block Sasuke's vision with
You must be registered for see links
She also has the Fighting Tongue Bind to hold Sasuke or his hawk in place. While Fukasuka has the Fighting Tongue Slash to cut Sasuke apart. I also would like to point out that Kabuto demonstrated that those with gifted eyes are not immune to sound based attacks. The elder toads possess two different attacks. Both take effect due to sound, but the Demonic Illusion Chant controls what the subject sees while leaving the opponent immobile, whereas frog call simply stuns the opponent. In either case, we have no reason to believe that sound waves cannot penetrate Susanno, as Sasuke was able to have conversation with Itachi while in Susanoo.

You must be registered for see images

. Either jutsu would be extremely useful in any situation as it leaves Sasuke a sitting duck.
In terms of maximum power punches there Goemon. Which is powerful alone. But what happens when Gamabunta provides the oil instead of Jiraiya, and Jiraiya and Shima both provide the katon, while Orochimaru and Fukasuka provide the wind, and Tsunade decides to act as an amplifier? You have a lot more oil, with a lot more fire, made even hotter by the wind stoking the flames.
Rasengan

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke
Should Sasuke come in close range, Jiraiya could choose to negate any attack with Rasengan. While I highly doubt it will penetrate Susanoo, should Jiraiya catch Sasuke out of Susanoo, any level of rasengan would spell trouble for Sasuke.

How Jiraiya uses Shadow Clones against Sasuke:
Jiraiya has been seen on more than one occasion using shadow clones. He's used them for training and he's used them as feints. Thus he may use a shadow clone to trick Sasuke, or have a shadow clone hold the Toad Flatness — Shadow Manipulation Technique and nail sasuke with an attack.

You must be registered for see images

How Jiraiya uses barriers and paralytic effects against Sasuke: Jiraiya is also quite well known for his use of barriers. If Sasuke is truly on a rampage and rushes into one of Jiraiya's traps he can end up inside of the toad gourd prison. Which melted one of Pein's Path's in half. The canopy barrier would allow Jiraiya to be aware of Sasuke's every movement if he should lose eyesight. With the Shadow Manipulation, and Susanoo casting a large shadow is quite possible for one of Jiraiya's shadow clones to immobilize Susanoo while other teammembers attacks.

Sage Mode

How Jiraiya uses this against Sasuke

In addition to the possibilities listed above, the greatest benefit from Jiraiya's Sage mode has to deal with genjutsu. Because Ma and Pa are constantly feeding into his chakra pool they would know immediately when it was being controlled and could counter the genjutsu by disrupting Jiraiya's chakra flow.

Orochimaru
Attack Prevention: So now Sasuke faces the challenge of hitting Orochimaru. Another factor to consider is what may happen to the Amaterasu flames when Orochimaru becomes one with the ground or whatever medium he's using.
Eight Branches: Perhaps the only option Sasuke may have against Eight Branches is Amaterasu, but Sasuke still has a limit and spamming Amaterasu on something which can come back on you is not the brightest idea.
Formation of 10000 snakes: Obviously Sasuke is immune to the poison of these snakes, what is dangerous about them is the fact that not only do they have swords but they can bind you by coiling around the enemy making motion impossible.
Body Shedding: Should Orochimaru take a high amount of damage or be caught off guard with Amaterasu and be unable to remove the black flames Body Shedding will allow him to return to his original state.
Many Hidden Shadow Snake Hands: Once again this technique is great for restraining Sasuke, which would serve the purposes of a combination attack.
Rashomon: If Orochimaru got the Rashomon gates up fast enough to block a mini TBB there is a possibility he could completely block Amaterasu with these gates.
Longsword of the Sky: With this technique Oro could stand far behind the gates and attack Sasuke continually with the longsword or he can have it pop from underground while Sasuke is Susanoo. Additionally, because of Orochimaru's ability to change his body's characteristics he's able to attack from extremely long distances and from unlikely places. If Orochimaru places the Rashomon gates up first then perform this attack on Sasuke has no way of preparing for as trapped within the confines of Susanoo would be fatally impaled.

You must be registered for see images

Wind Release: Great Breakthrough : With these jutsu not only could Orochimaru add in the Goemon attack, but he could also use this attack as method of distracting Sasuke.
Gathering of Snakes: Should Sasuke get in attacks with the susanoo sword or his blade Orochimaru can heal them with gathering of snakes.
Not to mention that Orochimaru has 4 different boss snake summonings which can are anaconda based. Which means they specialize in squeezing things to death. Should they wrap around Susanoo, it's a very real possibility that the Susanoo body, may do the same thing a human body does when been squeezed by an Anaconda, never mind several of them, which would lead the fall of Susanoo. And an exposed Sasuke.

Tsunade

I will first demonstrate that Tsunade is in fact a quick opponent. I will then highlight Tsunade's strength and battle style for future reference, in this section I differentiate between Tsunade's two types of strength which is relevant for the sake of my Preta Path argument. We will look at Tsunade's durability and stamina feats which show that she is not going to be so simply taken out of the picture and that gravitational powers do not necessarily spell death for her. Then I will show that Tsunade is a highly intelligent person with the ability to think on her feet. I will then display Katsuyu's abilities for the sake of my arguments for against Deva and Animal paths. I will then conclude with a possible scenario for each individual battle and a team battle. I encourage you to read both posts.

Tsunade's Speed and Reflexes:

Most people think that Tsunade is slow and sluggish. In fact, people often think her affinity to slugs make her slow. They bring in databook numbers to say that she is slow. So I will actually bring her feats into play here.
when Tsunade shoves Gamabunta's sword into Manda's mouth I'd call that a speed of feat. Thinking Logically about the feat Manda went underground and blitzed Gamabunta. Neither Gamabunta nor Jiraiya had time to react. It would make no logical sense for Tsunade to be in the air with the sword with no target as she has not the ability to hover. Therefore, she must have jumped and reacted after Manda appeared above ground and managed to attack him with such accuracy coming from off panel.

You must be registered for see images

When Tsunade threw herself in front of Orochimaru's blade that was a feat of speed . And considering Jiraiya was only able to to form a single handseal before Oro's blade struck Tsunade and no one even thought it was capable to get in the way judging by their shocked faces yet Tsunade did.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

And when Tsunade attacked Orochimaru I'd consider that a feat of speed considering Orochimaru was paying close enough attention to her he could tell her trembling had stopped yet he was completely unprepared for Tsunade's kick.

You must be registered for see images

When Madara was attacking the 5 kage with his Katon none of the kages were able to react in time not even A. Yet Tsunade not only saw the attack but was able to respond as well.

You must be registered for see images

When Tsunade blitzed Shizune, Shizune had no way of reacting in fact she was completely caught off guard.

You must be registered for see images

And Tsunade was able to use her speed to avoid Naruto's attacks without much effort.

You must be registered for see images

And Tsunade literally blitzed Kabuto in the time it took to push up his glasses.

You must be registered for see images

She was also able to blitz the advisers as well

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

In addition the her and A were able to completely approach Bee and Naruto in such a quick manner neither Bee nor Naruto saw it coming and had the kages wanted to they could've blitzed the jinchuurikis.

You must be registered for see images

Furthermore in the time it takes Raikage to punch in his V1 form Tsunade has already began running implying that she is not slow.

You must be registered for see images

The fact that her speed was compared to A's is a great thing. No she is not in his speed range, but being compared to the second fastest character alive would she's not slow, the same way Raikage's strength in comparison to the strongest character alive does not make him weak.

You must be registered for see images

When Kabuto was attacking Tsunade is was a fact that Tsunade had been out of battle many years. It was a fact that she had not been resting. It was also a fact that she was holding back based on her not using Katsuyu or Creation Rebirth.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Even still, Tsunade was able to react very well defensively.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

And Tsunade was able to blitz Jiraiya and force Kabuto into a position in which he could not avoid taking damage and thus he had to resort to exploiting her hemophobia.

You must be registered for see images

Additionally in her fight against Madara, Madara had her taking one 5 autonomous clones of himself wrapped in Susanoo. Meaning they had the sharingan precognition and the rinnegan shared vision yet Tsunade was still able to get behind a clone and incapacitated it. And because each kage received 5 clones to fight, yet we only see four in the picture two of which are definitely left standing behind Tsunade, another is ambigously farther away either collapsed on top of a stone sharing a fate similar to the clone in front of Tsunade or unable to close the distance. We can reason that she had incapacitated at least two clones.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

We again saw Tsunade's reflexes during Madara's attack when Madara was using his perfect Susanoo Tsunade had started another jutsu.

You must be registered for see images

In addition she was able to coordinate a joint attack with Mei, A, and Oonoki when A was in his raiton armor.

You must be registered for see images

Orochimaru and Kabuto were nearly blitzed together in Tsunade's initial up front attack they narrowly escaped death.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade also managed to blitz Madara with him being not only completely caught off guard but incapable of preparing his counter attack before Tsunade's attack landed.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Even in a fatigued state so great that she was moments away from going into a coma she managed to beat anbu to Pein.

You must be registered for see images

Additionally, Tsunade's hands moved fast enough that not only was she able to disarm and neutralize Naruto but pickpocket him and hide away his wallet all without being seen in the action, while intoxicated.

You must be registered for see images

And when Pein was about to attack with Asura's path Tsunade's arm had already risen, which means logically she could have simply struck the blizting Asura path. So she was a victim of plot no jutsu and fatigue

You must be registered for see images

Even when distracted and drunk, Tsunade was able to respond to what she thought was a fully powered rasengan using only one finger.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade's Strength and battle prowess:

Tsunade has proven that she is physically the strongest character in Naruto. She accomplishes this in two ways. She uses medical ninjutsu to create chakra explosions.

You must be registered for see images

and due to the explanation given of the medical ninjutsu strength we can reason that lifting, maneuvering and pulling attacks we were shown were accomplished through natural strength.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

I though will provide more examples of her strength though.
The wall in Tanzuku town crumbled when Tsunade struck it.

You must be registered for see images

With one finger Tsunade split the ground leaving a crevice so large that Naruto was able to fall inside of it.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

This attack illustrates that Tsunade is willing to use shockwaves, a by product of her strength, to gain an advantage in battle. Incidently, Tsunade's shockwaves are strong enough to break through solid stone walls, in the close up you can see the damage actually extended slightly pass the walls, and in the farther shot you can see both walls to heavy damage meaning if someone was caught by her shockwaves instead of her direct strength they would still take great damage and possibly even suffer death.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Another byproduct of Tsunade's strength is a change in environment. This change, makes opponent's whose moves are swifter than Tsunade a risk to use because of uneven footing. Tsunade though has shown that she is adept at maneuvering even in such circumstances.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade has also proven that she is willing to use her environment to aid her in battle and is willing to use the resources available to her to claim victory. By extension she could use the aftermath of her strength i.e. rocks and boulders as projetiles, and as MLB players can pitch with speeds over 100 miles per hour I imagine that the speed of Tsunade's projectiles would be much higher given her strength..

You must be registered for see images

Furthermore, Tsunade does not only attack with brute strength but also in ways specific to medical ninjas. Such as targeting pressure points and forcing involuntary reactions.

You must be registered for see images

She uses medical ninjutsu to scatter brain signals and she uses medical ninjutsu directly as an agent of death.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade should have a method of fighting similar to Kabuto as she made a comparison between his fighting style and hers. As Tsunade's style of fighting is so radically different she couldn't make a valid comparison unless she use a method of attack similar to Kabuto. She's proven that PTS Kabuto's strength is no where near her past prime strength (not just physically but all around as a ninja) thus it only stands to reason she was referring to using medical ninjutsu offensively. Even the way the statement was phrased in that it was prefaced to him being a medical ninja before finishing the statement suggests that the following was related to him being a medical ninja.

You must be registered for see images

As one can pierce organs without piercing the skin it is reasonable with medical ninjutsu she can pierce the skin without touching the person

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade taught Sakura how to pick up on an opponents method of fighting and alter your own to better defend, and by extension attack

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade's Intelligence:

Needless to say Tsunade is intelligent. For instance, before the battle with Orochimaru she poisoned Jiraiya to make sure he did not interfere with any of her decisions.

You must be registered for see images

She opted to end Orochimaru subtly with a sneak attack than a large time consuming showdown

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade is able to understand how motivation affects people and their performance on the battlefield.

You must be registered for see images

While Tsunade is an emotional person, she is able to rationalize and objectively analyze situations.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade can reason on the motives of her enemies and spot traps ahead of time.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade here indicates that she didn't just stick Yamato with team Kakashi for kicks and giggles nor just because of him being powerful, but also because he mokuton includes Chakra suppression.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade also shows that she knew that if the Hidden Leaf really crumbled then Naruto would be in grave danger, thus he had to fight to defend it if he had any chance in being safe.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

In stressful situations Tsunade has managed to provide quick leadership the has a solid plan of defense. And she knew a means to hand out information instanteously is paramount. And therefore, she knows the value of information and thus would strive to obtain it through whatever means necessary.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade has also shown her ability to think up counters to enemies unusual abilities once she has information on them.

You must be registered for see images

As opposed to most people Tsunade was able to perceive that Pein was about to launch a large scale attack.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade also realizes when desperate measures demand an all out attack. Even out thinking Shikaku in this regard.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade was able to out think Raikage and perceive what Naruto experienced before he told them.

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade's rules for medical nin highlights her knowledge of battle strategy.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

And we see while the medical ninja is supposed to be the last on the team to die in battle in the case against Tsunade. She intends to allow the kage to make a comeback by healing them allowing them to protect the shinobi world

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade also managed to set a trap for Madara, that Madara did not expect

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade's Durability and Stamina:

She arrived and used
You must be registered for see links
. When she used creation Rebirth against Orochimaru it ate up the
You must be registered for see links
.
She then
You must be registered for see links
Oonoki and Gaara and replenished chakras.
She then
You must be registered for see links
Mei and replenished her chakra.
She then used
You must be registered for see links
and
You must be registered for see links
Madara.
She then regenerated from the
You must be registered for see links
sword
She then
You must be registered for see links
from three
You must be registered for see links

She then regenerated from at least two more
You must be registered for see links
while immobilizing two of them.
She then
You must be registered for see links
more chakra to Oonoki so he could use his biggest Jinton yet
She then tanked the damage of a
You must be registered for see links
that was meant to kill 5 people.
Tsunade was apparently also bisected by mokuton. Even in the bisected state however, she is apparently capable of returning to one piece. And is still able to use jutsus.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Sword of Kusanagi

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Cut abdomen and Bicep Muscles

You must be registered for see images

Cut Respiratory Muscles

You must be registered for see images

Shinra Tensei Fully Powered

Here she is healing the village and the seal in unbroken.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Here she is talking to Pein after she's healed the village. The seal is still unbroken (using multiple pictures to show its not a mistake like when Kishi accidently gave raikage back his arm)

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

(it looks as though Tsunade was about to fight him based on what the Anbu said)

You must be registered for see images

This is Tsunade chasing after Pein to stop him, making her closer to the initial point of contact for Shinra Tensei FP - seal unbroken

You must be registered for see images

This is Tsunade after she's realized he's got more up his sleeves than what has already been used the seal is still unbroken (using this picture to show that Tsunade isn't running away from the epicenter of Shinra Tensei in the picture above)

You must be registered for see images

This is Tsunade after Shinra Tensei hits -no seal

You must be registered for see images

What's even more impressive is that she didn't use Creation Rebirth on herself as she's bleeding.

Tsunade used Katsuya to protect the other villagers but there is not Katsuyu with her.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Bearing in mind Tsunade has already expended a lot of chakra to heal the villagers, then tanking a full Shinra Tensei up close in personal is quite a feat.

And she had the stamina to climb from under the collaspbed building and beat the Anbu to the scene

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

before ... being blitzed.

So My point being after healing the village, and summoning Katsuyu (which as Jiraiya and Naruto showed us requires a bit of chakra to summon large creatures)

You must be registered for see images

she tanked Shinra Tensei and rehealed the village.

Katsuyu's abilities:

Among Katsyuyu's abilities is the ability to divide into many versions of herself. Her full bodied self is capable of spitting acid so it is logical to assume that her minis could as well..

You must be registered for see images

Or given how Tsunade was able to heal the village through Katsuya and she was going to kill Orochimaru with Medical Ninjutsu if a small katsuyu a few inches long is stuck on an opponent Tsunade needs only to channel the technique through Katsuya to kill an opponent. I can see Tsunade inacting this jutsu while multitasking as she always holds the jutsu that keeps her looking young, while using augmented monster strength, while using forbidden jutsus, or how she keeps up her technique while she heals.In addition to the obvious fact that Katsuyu can crush people. Given the crushing power of this mini katsuyu it only stands to reason the a full sized katsuyu would be much more deadly.

You must be registered for see images

We also know that Katsuyu can completely envelop people quickly even without their permission

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

And Tsunade can seeming sense what Katsuyu sees

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Katsuyu can transfer information over multiple battlefields at once

You must be registered for see images

Logically a mini katsuyu like this one could stay with Tsunade and insert chakra into her to wake her from genjutsu

You must be registered for see images

Katsuyu cannot be harmed cutting or stabbing and as we've seen her withstand Shinra Tensei FP and Chibaku Tensei it is safe to assume she can withstand being crushed.

You must be registered for see images

For Tsunade her primary responsibility will be in the role of medic. But she has shown sufficient skills in speed that grant us the knowledge to know that should the other two sannins be incapable of taking down Sasuke she has the speed to hit him. We've also seen that she has a certain control with electricity, in this way, she can prevent herself from being paralyzed by Chidori Nagashi. She not only has the hype but shown expertise with avoiding attacks to safely suggest she can avoid the majority of Sasuke's attacks. With Byakugu she can heal from the attacks she was unable to avoid. In terms of Amaterasu, should she be caught ablaze with hit, she needs only hit Sasuke's Susanoo for the blaze's attacking her to begin to attack his Susanoo. In this way he would create a self defeating circle, in which it would be better for his chakra levels not to use amaterasu on Tsunade at all, than to continuously repair susanoo and extinguish or control the attacking flames.
Katsuyu is one of the most useful summons. Her acid, has been shown to be stronger than Mei's thus it is not a stretch to say that Katsuyu's acid should quickly eat through Susanoo.
But I know you're itching to respond to this post, and I left some bases untouched because I still wanna grab that nap so I'll clear up whatever points I left open when I'm well rested.

But you mean to tell me when he would have trouble against any of the sannin 1 vs 1 he's going to defeat them all together? Ok...

Well done! Plus rep

Turson · Nov 25, 2012

9th Raikage said:
Bluffing? Are you serious? If that's your best argument dont bother. I guess he was blluffing when he said he didnt want the action to attract attention from the rest of the village shinobi too huh? Get real. Jiriya>Itachi.

Of course he was. He said that even more back up wouldnt change the outcome of the fight - which was obvious bs.

9th Raikage said:
Jiriya would seal away the flames of Amaterasu and Tsunade would heal the burns. FAIL

I dont really understand why everyone says: "Jiraiya can seal Amaterasu". Cool, he can, but in order to do so he had to:
1. Pull out the scroll and put it on the ground.
2. Write sealing formula on it.
3. Make hand seals.
4. Put his hand on the ground.

It should be clear that Jiraiya wouldnt be able to do it during battle.

Piratefish · Nov 25, 2012

Turson said:
I dont really understand why everyone says: "Jiraiya can seal Amaterasu". Cool, he can, but in order to do so he had to:
1. Pull out the scroll and put it on the ground.
2. Write sealing formula on it.
3. Make hand seals.
4. Put his hand on the ground.

It should be clear that Jiraiya wouldnt be able to do it during battle.

Well if he's fighting without his own summons, teammates, AND teammates summons, that would be true. And if he hasn't prepared some scrolls beforehand, which is possible.

Turson · Nov 25, 2012

Piratefish said:
Well if he's fighting without his own summons, teammates, AND teammates summons, that would be true. And if he hasn't prepared some scrolls beforehand, which is possible.

I think we are not talking about battle with preparations. Method that Jiraiya used back in part 1 is useless here. Before he would manage to do all of this Tsunade would be long dead, not mention if he was himself burning.

Piratefish · Nov 25, 2012

Turson said:
I think we are not talking about battle with preparations. Method that Jiraiya used back in part 1 is useless here. Before he would manage to do all of this Tsunade would be long dead, not mention if he was himself burning.

Tsunade would survive Amaterasu long enough for a Sealing. And he MIGHT be able to remove the flames from himself, if not instruct a teammate in how to seal the flames. If he had Tsunade actively healing him, he WOULD survive.

Couldn't Tsunade just cut off the surface of whatever the affected body part is and let one (not on fire) grow back in? On any of her teammates?

Turson · Nov 25, 2012

Piratefish said:
Tsunade would survive Amaterasu long enough for a Sealing. And he MIGHT be able to remove the flames from himself, if not instruct a teammate in how to seal the flames. If he had Tsunade actively healing him, he WOULD survive.

Couldn't Tsunade just cut off the surface of whatever the affected body part is and let one (not on fire) grow back in? On any of her teammates?

You must be registered for see links

-> Considering how fast Amaterasu burns... I doubt it.

Three Sannin vs. EMS Sasuke - Sasuke going on rampage

Active member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Awards

Active member

Active member

Active member

Member

Active member

Active member

Member

Member

Member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Active member

Active member