100% proof(manga pages) edo hashirama was complete and perfect

[Unbiased]

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We have seen Hashirama in combat before against the 3rd hokage and according to the manga, he could use all of his abilities.

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Now I know what some of you people may be thinking, "Well orochimaru couldn't use edo tensei very well or Orochimaru didn't understand Hashirama's techniques." Well you are sadly wrong according to the manga. The manga states in the spoiler I posted above, that the revived can use all of their original abilities, that seal doesn't prevent those abilities from being used, and that orochimaru had complete mastery over edo tensei.

Some of you will still deny the truth even though the manga specifically states orochimaru mastered it and the revived user with the tailsmens embedded inside them could use all their original abilities.

Also some of you may say something ignorant like "Hashirama and Tobirama didn't utilize all their techniques, hashirama didn't use his almighty flower power and tobirama didn't use his S/T jutsu's." You guys are seriously the worst out of every fanboy on this site including the minato and itachi ones. Read this spoiler.

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Notice anything about it? It says 1999 by Masashi Kishimoto. You seriously believe Kishimoto had thought about every technique that the previous hokages can use in 1999? We heard about their newer techniques in 2011-2012 meaning 12-13 years after they were introduced they were thought of and put in the manga to hype them up.

Also some of you fanboys may say "Well their emotions were sealed so that made them weaker." Again you are wrong. Here naruto states

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in chapter 551 page 3 that Nagato was being completely controlled no emotions. Here

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in Naruto chapter 551 page 10 that even though he was under direct control and has no emotions like Hashirama and Tobirama, he was admittedly far superior to his original self and even killerbee states he was ridiculously strong. Some of you may argue "Well he absorbed gyuki chakra so that made him stronger. Again you are wrong, even though he had the chakra, that gave him the ability to walk not improve his ninja abilities. Here

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Kurama gives kakashi chakra. Here

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we see kakashi hasn't gotten a boost in strength or any ninja abilities. Therefore the chakra did not do anything to nagato but give him the power to walk again. The only time one gets an enhancement in abilities from bijuu chakra is when it takes a shroud over the user or acts as it did in naruto's kyuubi initial phase in part one.

With all that being said, Hashirama and Tobirama were at their prime(since they died young) and could utilize all their techniques during their only fight scene with Hiruzen. There is no way they were "incomplete" as the manga specifically states the revived even with the tailsmen inside them can use all their original techniques.

 

[kakashi owns all]

every one knows this why is it even debated, the reason people try and falsify the manga is because they cant accept 3rd hokage > 1st/2ed hokage that are endo. because then he is on endo madara level and people refuse to believe that.

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

They were brain dead

 

[Legendary Broly]

Sounds legit.

 

[Unbiased]

every one knows this why is it even debated, the reason people try and falsify the manga is because they cant accept 3rd hokage > 1st/2ed hokage that are endo. because then he is on endo madara level and people refuse to believe that.

I know but every time I see a top 10 and see hashirama on the top 5, I think why is a guy who got beat by a 69 year old grandpa with low chakra reserves that high?

 

[kakashi owns all]

I know but every time I see a top 10 and see hashirama on the top 5, I think why is a guy who got beat by a 69 year old grandpa with low chakra reserves that high?

i dont get it bro i have made a tread like this aswell.

Btw have a fun fact about the 3rd, he knows how to do endos aswell


1) teacher was the 2ed hokage
2) 2ed hokage made the move
3) moves made buy leaf ninja are leaf ninjuste
4) the 3rd knows all leaf nin
5) endo are leaf nin, 3rd knows all leaf nin so the 3rd can use endo

his morals are just to good to do that because it has to have a sacrifice

 

[Jukain]

Nagato still couldn't walk even after absorbing the chakra. it only gave him his youthful appearance lol. and I think they were stronger the sarutobi. but there was a up scale in power when shjppuden came out lol

 

[Strata Uchiha]

But but but....

Hiruzen owned the Almighty Great Hashirama and Tobirama not only with The Reaper Death Seal, but also something else totally unexpected...

Two paper bombs. That's right people. A friggin paper bomb. If they weren't Edo's they would of lost right then and their. The Real Hashirama and Tobirama wouldn't have lost to such a goofy ninja tool which is why the Hokages summoned by Orochimaru weren't all that good.

 

[Unbiased]

Nagato still couldn't walk even after absorbing the chakra. it only gave him his youthful appearance lol. and I think they were stronger the sarutobi. but there was a up scale in power when shjppuden came out lol

I can't agree with you on them being stronger(especially tobirama since before tobirama died sarutobi claimed superiority over him( but I can agree on the upscale in power.

i dont get it bro i have made a tread like this aswell.

Btw have a fun fact about the 3rd, he knows how to do endos aswell


1) teacher was the 2ed hokage
2) 2ed hokage made the move
3) moves made buy leaf ninja are leaf ninjuste
4) the 3rd knows all leaf nin
5) endo are leaf nin, 3rd knows all leaf nin so the 3rd can use endo

his morals are just to good to do that because it has to have a sacrifice

Yeah I know, its hard to believe he could use all 5 elemental releases but that's what is written in the manga

 

[Unbiased]

But but but....

Hiruzen owned the Almighty Great Hashirama and Tobirama not only with The Reaper Death Seal, but also something else totally unexpected...

Two paper bombs. That's right people. A friggin paper bomb. If they weren't Edo's they would of lost right then and their. The Real Hashirama and Tobirama wouldn't have lost to such a goofy ninja tool which is why the Hokages summoned by Orochimaru weren't all that good.

Its not like they walked into it lol it was subliminally strapped onto them without them noticing. However I think your post was meant to be sarcastic lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

With what Kishi has added to Hashirama's and Tobirama's arsenal over the years, at least Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen. Don't see why people can't face it. After all, Hashirama was mentioned multiple times for his power throughout the manga recently. When was the last time anyone gave a damn about Hiruzen's power?

 

[kakashi owns all]

I can't agree with you on them being stronger(especially tobirama since before tobirama died sarutobi claimed superiority over him( but I can agree on the upscale in power.



Yeah I know, its hard to believe he could use all 5 elemental releases but that's what is written in the manga

i can belive that any element can be masted even if you dont have the affinity for it if you train at it. he lived a long life it make sence for him to have mastered them all

Thank you for being one of the only users that are " new(er) " that read the damn manga

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

All manga pages are posted in the spoilers

We have seen Hashirama in combat before against the 3rd hokage and according to the manga, he could use all of his abilities.

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.

Now I know what some of you people may be thinking, "Well orochimaru couldn't use edo tensei very well or Orochimaru didn't understand Hashirama's techniques." Well you are sadly wrong according to the manga. The manga states in the spoiler I posted above, that the revived can use all of their original abilities, that seal doesn't prevent those abilities from being used, and that orochimaru had complete mastery over edo tensei.

Some of you will still deny the truth even though the manga specifically states orochimaru mastered it and the revived user with the tailsmens embedded inside them could use all their original abilities.

Also some of you may say something ignorant like "Hashirama and Tobirama didn't utilize all their techniques, hashirama didn't use his almighty flower power and tobirama didn't use his S/T jutsu's." You guys are seriously the worst out of every fanboy on this site including the minato and itachi ones. Read this spoiler.

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Notice anything about it? It says 1999 by Masashi Kishimoto. You seriously believe Kishimoto had thought about every technique that the previous hokages can use in 1999? We heard about their newer techniques in 2011-2012 meaning 12-13 years after they were introduced they were thought of and put in the manga to hype them up.

Also some of you fanboys may say "Well their emotions were sealed so that made them weaker." Again you are wrong. Here naruto states

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in chapter 551 page 3 that Nagato was being completely controlled no emotions. Here

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in Naruto chapter 551 page 10 that even though he was under direct control and has no emotions like Hashirama and Tobirama, he was admittedly far superior to his original self and even killerbee states he was ridiculously strong. Some of you may argue "Well he absorbed gyuki chakra so that made him stronger. Again you are wrong, even though he had the chakra, that gave him the ability to walk not improve his ninja abilities. Here

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Kurama gives kakashi chakra. Here

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we see kakashi hasn't gotten a boost in strength or any ninja abilities. Therefore the chakra did not do anything to nagato but give him the power to walk again. The only time one gets an enhancement in abilities from bijuu chakra is when it takes a shroud over the user or acts as it did in naruto's kyuubi initial phase in part one.

With all that being said, Hashirama and Tobirama were at their prime(since they died young) and could utilize all their techniques during their only fight scene with Hiruzen. There is no way they were "incomplete" as the manga specifically states the revived even with the tailsmen inside them can use all their original techniques.

So does this mean hiruzen can KO Madara?

 

[Unbiased]

With what Kishi has added to Hashirama's and Tobirama's arenal over the years, at least Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen. Don't see why people can't face it. After, Hashirama was mentioned.multiple times for his power throughout the manga recently. When was the last time anyone gave a damn about Hiruzen's power?

I don't argue about things that are not relevant. Fact is, all edo tensei's used by orochimaru and so on are perfect and can use all their original abilities according to kabuto. Hashirama is called a fairy tale, Hiruzen is called the God of shinobi which was the sage's nickname. The sage's nickname is much more threatening and badass then hashirama's.

 

[Waltz]

Sounds about right.

 

[Unbiased]

i can belive that any element can be masted even if you dont have the affinity for it if you train at it. he lived a long life it make sence for him to have mastered them all

Thank you for being one of the only users that are " new(er) " that read the damn manga

I guess i'm newer, but I just use logic something the majority of people are lacking.

So does this mean hiruzen can KO Madara?

If A>B and B>C does that mean A>C? I'll give you a hint, the answer is no.

 

[kakashi owns all]

So does this mean hiruzen can KO Madara?

knew someone was gonna say that ...read my earlyer post

 

[Punk Hazard]

I don't argue about things that are not relevant. Fact is, all edo tensei's used by orochimaru and so on are perfect and can use all their original abilities according to kabuto. Hashirama is called a fairy tale, Hiruzen is called the God of shinobi which was the sage's nickname. The sage's nickname is much more threatening and badass then hashirama's.

While Hashirama and Tobirama had the abilities to use all their techniques as Edo, they couldn't because Orochimaru restricted them. Also, the power scaling was different.

And it doesn't matter who had a cooler nickname. That doesn't determine strength. I can't believe that you used that as an actual argument.

Anyway, it's all what we choose to,believe. I suggest you deal with the fact that not everyone agrees with your OPINION, and stop acting like you're saying solid facts.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

knew someone was gonna say that ...read my earlyer post

i know i just felt like saying it maybe i should have said so does this mean hiruzen can ko 8 gates lee or Gai?

 

[Unbiased]

While Hashirama and Tobirama had the abilities to use all their techniques as Edo, they couldn't because Orochimaru restricted them. Also, the power scaling was different.

And it doesn't matter who had a cooler nickname. That doesn't determine strength. I can't believe that you used that as an actual argument.

Anyway, it's all what we choose to,believe. I suggest you deal with the fact that not everyone agrees with your OPINION, and stop acting like you're saying solid facts.

These are solid facts(manga>your opinion) although I actually chuckled when you said orochimaru restricted them from using all their techniques. Please show me the manga pages lol where it says that he restricted their abilities lololol