[Debate] World Against Gaza
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For the record, yes, I am jewish, and I've seen the arguments posted in this thread, they're all the same basic posts against israel, which are also extremely "hypocritical."(find a better word, that one makes no sense in context)
Can you please explain how anything I said there was hypocritical?
The 6 day war, israel totally destroyed the arab nations after 20 years of them claiming they will "wipe israel off the face of the earth," Israel went on a counter offensive afterward and thus took gaza. First question, why should israel be required to give this land back? Had they wanted at the time they could've mowed down all the arab nations, they stopped, but then after more political pressure, israel gave all this land back have you ever seen the US government come in with guns to someones house and force their own people out of their homes, for the sake of people trying to eliminate them? Or any government for that matter?
Now this next one is just food for thought, say it was reversed, say israel lost the 6 day war, how many jews do you think would still be on the planet? Or do you agree with the islamic extremists who call for the death to all jewish people? If I went for a stroll down the street in any arabic country I'd be lynched, not for anything I've done to them, I personally haven't taken anything from them, I haven't harmed them in any way, but simply because I am jewish they would kill me, and scream about god while they do it. While if a muslim walks down the street in israel he has more rights than he does in other arab countries.
_O- haha this is priceless. The typical misplaced proudness in your country's military capability is funny and at the same time sad. I, personally, am against inhumane policies. No matter what circumstances. Even if Israel occupied a part of Palestina, it wouldn't be such a big deal if it would be done in peace. Even some wise jews do their best to expose your aggressive government who co-ops with the USA to try to get a power-grip on the middle-east. In the end, Israeli settlers and militants are terrorizing unarmed civilians. You counter that fact with the excuse that in return Hamas attacks Israel, BUT WHERE DOES HAMAS COME FROM? Please enlighten me since I'm just a dutchie who hasn't ever set foot in the middle-east. I might be wrong, who knows. I've heard from a dutch friend who has been living in Israel for atleast 12 years now that the people over there are pretty simple-minded, patriotic, aggressive and delusional.
Uhm, so can you explain to me how it wasn't a complete and utter defeat for the arab nations?
Now at the bolded, that is simply false, on many points. Firstly, there was a 50/50 offer which was declined before israel was created as a jewish state, then israel was created, and it was smaller than it is today. There wasn't peace, immediately the arab nations attempted to wipe israel out, and failed.
There was smaller "occupation of palestine" as you said, and there was not peace.
You still haven't commented on the fact that palestinians have plenty of time to avoid getting hurt, while israeli's have under a minute.
At the bolded: I found that part not even worth replying.You cant make a bombardment on innocent civilians sound less inhumane with that. This is most likely plain speculation to glorify the israeli militant actions.
The 'wiping Israel of the map' might have been misinterpreted. I heard that that statement was meant to express the desire to get rid of the nationalism in that area and make a country in which there wouldn't be any religious/political agression. And the zionists didn't approve with that.Not sure though, it's been a while that I've read/watched any articles/presentation about the 'wipe israel of the map' thing.
Wow.. Australian news actually spoke truth *unbelievable* !!! I always thought someone needs to teach those **** a lesson but a little too late. Funny thing... I saw on the news another day... jewish people we're on the streets demanding ''HAMAS to stop attack'' I just wanted to go thrtr and beat the **** out of those ****..... This world is going nowhere!
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I just thought I'd tell you guys that while you're blaming Israel for all of this, missiles are being launched at them. A friend of mine just talked with a man in Israel who said that a couple blocks from were he was had been struck by a missile, a residential area. When rockets are fired at Israel, no one says anything, that seems to be okay, but every once in a while, Israel will return fire back at where it came from, and immediately everybody gets their panties in a wad and talk about how horrible Israel is for attack those "innocent" people.
Also, as much as I don't like the guy, I believe Obama recently just stated that Israel has every right to defend itself against its enemies and that he stands behind them in this time of terror. Possibly the first intelligent words that have ever been uttered from his mouth. xd
Also, as much as I don't like the guy, I believe Obama recently just stated that Israel has every right to defend itself against its enemies and that he stands behind them in this time of terror. Possibly the first intelligent words that have ever been uttered from his mouth. xd
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1. Let's all believe what you're friend told you...
2. Let's all support what America has to say.. the worlds nr.1 agressor and false flag operation expert
3. innocent people suffer = win ?
seems legit
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*deleted your post?* hohohohoho??? Not double posting
On the other side nothing stopped Israel rockets.. 3 floor building is now 3 floor down.. :shrug: Innocent people suffer because of differences of others.... and Israel is bunch of *****s who's scared to send ground forces to take down the military units. Now why should rest of the world support those actions?
On the other side nothing stopped Israel rockets.. 3 floor building is now 3 floor down.. :shrug: Innocent people suffer because of differences of others.... and Israel is bunch of *****s who's scared to send ground forces to take down the military units. Now why should rest of the world support those actions?
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Grim those pictures are legit. The 2nd and 3rd picture caught my eye
Grim those pictures are legit. The 2nd and 3rd picture caught my eye
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Bro, that's a delusional way of thinking that a lot of israelis have. So Israel occupies Palestina and defies humanitarian rules, gets attacked a bit in return by Hamas, and than claims to be the victim. If I would smack your girl's ass, and you'd punch me in the face, I'd let it be since I deserved it. The Israelis should try that.
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The "Palestinians" fire first in every occasion, all Israel is doing is returning fire. When has it been illegal to defend yourself? Arab terrorists blow themselves up and kill innocent children, just ask the US troops that are returning from fighting them. They hide behind women and children, yet they are defended by people...does that seem right?
Israel hardly ever claims to be the victim, they aren't whinny pansies like their enemies. Also, I find it very strange that these Arabs are claiming to be Palestinians...as I recall, that's what the Israelies were called at one time. The Arabs calling themselves Palestinian is a tactic to make their claims on Israel seem legit.
Nah, if you smacked my girl's ass I'd just kill you. xd It's a dog eat dog world... If that's how you want to see this as, then the surrounding Arab nations should be eliminated, it's what I'd do. Turn the whole area into glass...in fact, Israel does have the Samson Option, and they plan to go through with it.
Yes, i deleted my post, I wanted to find conclusive evidence to disprove yours.
You made it out like those were all of the bombs gaza sends, watch these videos, I'm pretty sure bombs like the ones you posted couldn't cause this
It's also possible that those rockets failed, those specific ones were small, and so on, posting those pictures says nothing. Furthermore, you still ignore the fact that israel constantly warns palestinians when they're going to attack, and is going out of it's way to only target hamas operatives, if those basis weren't right next to civilians, then the casualties would be much less.
So once again, can you please answer this question, after israel pulled out of gaza why wasn't it turned into a peaceful place? Hamas chose to continue shooting rockets, israel is retaliating, war is bloody.
I have no actual proof of this, but I am pretty positive the pictures of the rockets you posted were just of shrapnel that fell after iron dome destroyed them, as there have been reports of shrapnel falling in populated areas.
You made it out like those were all of the bombs gaza sends, watch these videos, I'm pretty sure bombs like the ones you posted couldn't cause this
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It's also possible that those rockets failed, those specific ones were small, and so on, posting those pictures says nothing. Furthermore, you still ignore the fact that israel constantly warns palestinians when they're going to attack, and is going out of it's way to only target hamas operatives, if those basis weren't right next to civilians, then the casualties would be much less.
So once again, can you please answer this question, after israel pulled out of gaza why wasn't it turned into a peaceful place? Hamas chose to continue shooting rockets, israel is retaliating, war is bloody.
Lmao, honestly, that was the most pathetic statement I have ever seen, you call israel cowards for not invading, but the moment they do you'll call them savages and blood thirsty killers, israel isn't invading out of the hope that this can still be worked out without having to go to that extreme, it is however prepared to go to any extreme to protect it's civilians.
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On top of that, if Israel invaded and sent ground troops in, not only would they be out numbered, but they wouldn't be able to distinguish the good guys from the bad...since most of the bad guys look like this:
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Yes we know how brave are isreali soldiers.
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How silly... pathetic or not my point remains same - why use weapons of mass destruction on civilians .. I'd care less if Military/Terrorist units we're under fire. I don't want to google or search for the number of missile attacks Israel is going to make per day but it's kinda is massacre.
And on top of that you're mocking other peoples opinion.. since when your opinion is better then mine.. and are you now 100% sure that you're right? .. If you remember Russian - Georgia conflict... American and European media was flaming Russia for starting attack on Georgia.. but was it true? Not really
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Yeah...I guess they are victims...of themselves.
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They also do this to their children, just so you know.
I just wish someone would release MAD, maybe then the multitudes of stupidity would be over with. The few that have intelligence are more than willing to sacrifice themselves to rid the world of those that are dumb, I know I am. If there is a Creator, I really hope He comes back soon.
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A Disputed land: The fame of Palestine comes from the over 80 years dispute between its local Arab population and the immigrant Zionist Jews who strove and later managed to establish their own political entity, the “State of Israel”, expelling and depriving the local population. Zionism in brief is a political ideology that believes in the establishment of a “national” home for the Jewish people in Palestine, it works to realize its aim through all possible means, with violence on top of the agenda.
It validates its belief and actions with certain religious arguments derived mainly from Judaism and historical arguments that are based mainly on the Old Testament. However, this neither implies that all Jews are Zionists nor that all Zionists are Jews. There are some non-Zionist and even anti-Zionist Jews and there are many non-Jewish Zionists, most of whom are Protestant Christians. On the path to achieve their goals, the Zionists fought six wars, killing and displacing Palestinians inside or even outside Palestine, who escaped to safety in Lebanon. However, the Zionist view does not consider those killed and displaced as victims; on the contrary, it maintains that its actions are legal and ethical, defending the “undisputable” right of the Jews in their homeland. Let us, now examine this so called undisputable right…
Zionist Religious Claims: As the chosen people, God rewarded the Jews with the blessed land, the land of milk and honey, in which they established their great righteous kingdoms from which they were expelled by the Assyrians. It is time now for the Jews to get back to this land that was given to them by a divine decree, it is time for them to end their miserable, two-millenniums long Diaspora. This rhetoric validates itself with verses from the Old Testament like: “…The Lord said to Abraham: Leave your land, your tribe, the house of your father and go to the land I am leading you to … .So, Abraham went as the Lord told him … Then, they came to the land of Canaan … and the Lord appeared before Abraham and said: ‘To your progeny I give this land…. and: …And (Abraham) lived in the land of Canaan. Then the Lord said to him: 'Raise up your eyes and from the place where you were, look around you to the north, south, east and west, because all the land that your eyes can see I give to you and to your progeny for ever'….” The Old Testament also includes: “… The Lord made a covenant with Abraham saying to your progeny I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river; the Euphrates…” .
However, it should be clear to any intelligent person that this pledge is valid only to its believers; hence, Jews do not have the right to force the local Muslim and Christian population, who do not share this belief, to surrender to it; had they believed in such claims their would have been no dispute from the beginning. Religious claims then are not able to validate anything as long as they are acceptable to one side only, which is the foreign and immigrant side.
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It validates its belief and actions with certain religious arguments derived mainly from Judaism and historical arguments that are based mainly on the Old Testament. However, this neither implies that all Jews are Zionists nor that all Zionists are Jews. There are some non-Zionist and even anti-Zionist Jews and there are many non-Jewish Zionists, most of whom are Protestant Christians. On the path to achieve their goals, the Zionists fought six wars, killing and displacing Palestinians inside or even outside Palestine, who escaped to safety in Lebanon. However, the Zionist view does not consider those killed and displaced as victims; on the contrary, it maintains that its actions are legal and ethical, defending the “undisputable” right of the Jews in their homeland. Let us, now examine this so called undisputable right…
Zionist Religious Claims: As the chosen people, God rewarded the Jews with the blessed land, the land of milk and honey, in which they established their great righteous kingdoms from which they were expelled by the Assyrians. It is time now for the Jews to get back to this land that was given to them by a divine decree, it is time for them to end their miserable, two-millenniums long Diaspora. This rhetoric validates itself with verses from the Old Testament like: “…The Lord said to Abraham: Leave your land, your tribe, the house of your father and go to the land I am leading you to … .So, Abraham went as the Lord told him … Then, they came to the land of Canaan … and the Lord appeared before Abraham and said: ‘To your progeny I give this land…. and: …And (Abraham) lived in the land of Canaan. Then the Lord said to him: 'Raise up your eyes and from the place where you were, look around you to the north, south, east and west, because all the land that your eyes can see I give to you and to your progeny for ever'….” The Old Testament also includes: “… The Lord made a covenant with Abraham saying to your progeny I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river; the Euphrates…” .
However, it should be clear to any intelligent person that this pledge is valid only to its believers; hence, Jews do not have the right to force the local Muslim and Christian population, who do not share this belief, to surrender to it; had they believed in such claims their would have been no dispute from the beginning. Religious claims then are not able to validate anything as long as they are acceptable to one side only, which is the foreign and immigrant side.
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This is in one of the Shia sect extrem minority.Nothing to do with Palestine...