You are over-looking on crucial point here; Obito's explanation of Izanagi, the original creation Jutsu and the only Jutsu the sage ever created. That chapter where he killed Konon shed light on this important piece of information. You may be right, but until Kishimoto doesn't add more to Obito's and Madara's explanations, I for one, am not taking anything Naruto says seriously.
So Who Isn't a Genius in Naruto
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He asked The 8 tails what happen he told them they both fell flat with their jutsu's still active, with that info he was able to beat Raikage.
You right Naruto figured it all out on his own. Kakashi was reason they knew about Deva abilities, tho Deva was restricted since he had just user Shinra tensei to destroy Konoha and needed time to rest. Kurama still saved him.
Yea created with help
I can't get annoyed on the internet, nothing bothers me. I answered the question it said who was not a Genius I said Naruto, not my fault it hurt yo feelings.
NarutoSageUzumaki
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With that info he was able to Work out how to beat the Raikage
What does this Phraze "they both fell flat with their jutsu's still active" mean to you ?
So by that Bee actually meant _ go into Sage mode , Use Rasengan and try to make the 3rd Pierce Himself ? Right ? oh ur THAT Insightful ?
Kakashi was the Reason ?
Kakashi was long dead - Naruto Defeated the Animal path by restricting their eyesight .
he Worked out that the eyes were connected so that was how he beat the Naraka Path
Pain was not able to use his abilities for 5 minutes of the fight
then he started to Spam Shinra tensei - Kurama saved him , but it is like Saying - Susanoo Saved Madara ......
Naruto needed that power to defeat pain , No one cept maybe for obito was On par with Pain at that moment
Created with help ? from whom ? his sensei ?
No duh ? - what did kakashi do ? Show off how he can also use Rasengan ? He Created it through Hard work
it is not me whos feelings are hurt .
it is you who is hurt by facts , and tries to Crop out- the info that you need out of the general picture
KGB Kakuzu
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True...but at this point intelligence hardly matters...I mean how many intelligent shinobi were differed by the random double meteorite attack...at this point it is who has the best application of power attacks. Example Shikamaru can't do shit to Madara and yet he's a genius, same with Itachi (be honest how does he survive the meteor strike :/)
In most cases what the term genius is usually applied...for example most people say Lee is a genious OF HARD WORK. Not s genius of intelligence. In both cases the term genius is being correctly used as highly skilled or knowledgable...
In most cases what the term genius is usually applied...for example most people say Lee is a genious OF HARD WORK. Not s genius of intelligence. In both cases the term genius is being correctly used as highly skilled or knowledgable...
What the manga explained ''they both fell flat with their jutsu's still active'' Naruto seen his best attack didn't hurt him and figured the scar from his chest was self inflicted from the Intel he got. I figure any genius would figure out that, with the huge clue given by Kishi showin us the 3rd Raikage scar on his chest. He obviously wasn't blown away by a Biju dama. Since the 8 tails didn't kill him.
Who did Kakashi relay the message to? Chouji, who did he tell? Tsunade, which she gave her slug to Naruto who told him about pain, don't feel like pulling manga pics it should be obvious Naruto didn't figure out pain abilities on his own. Ma & Pa told Naruto about their linked vision duh, then Gamabunta ate animal path and Naruto killed him.
Everyone helped Naruto beat pain. Kakashi, Ma & Pa, Gambunta, Kurama.
Help from Kakashi he created RS. So on his own he would've magically thought to create it?
Your feelings are obviously are hurt cause I said Naruto wasn't a genius, if they weren't we wouldn't be havin this pointless discussion.
NarutoSageUzumaki
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i can only agree to a battle with Pain , and that partially
Again , Ma and Pa / Kurama are all part of Naruto's powers
they are His Summons/Tailed beasts , it is like Saying If it wasnt for that Hawk vs Danzo Sasuke would've fallen to his death .....
- you are stating that Naruto is in fact a Genious
Self ownt
he was helped by Kakashi to find his Natural affinity - which i guess every sensei should help a student to find ?
again , he Mastered that Technique to a whole other level
He was able to Throw chakra - all through hard work
my feelings aren't hurt
My sense of logic is. If you will try to be objective from this point , i will do nothing but giggle
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If Naruto was a genius he would've figured it out soon as he did battle with 3rd Raikge. I believe Minato would figure it out without any intell.
Ok and im sayin Jiraiya summonings Ma & Pa, intel helped Naruto in his fight with Pain, and Kurama saved him.
Great he master his fathers technique with help, on a new level
We can go all day, my point won't change
Genius and intelligence are two different things. Neji and Sasuke are geniuses but they get a worse data book score in intelligence compared to Shino, Sakura and Temari who aren't considered genius. I say a genius in Naruto is someone who can learn and master a fighting style easily.
As for Naruto learning rasenshuriken, he had Yamato help suppress the Kyubbi's power but overall, I do think Naruto mastered that technique due to him being a genius of hard work.
As for Naruto learning rasenshuriken, he had Yamato help suppress the Kyubbi's power but overall, I do think Naruto mastered that technique due to him being a genius of hard work.
blazekev90
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This is the point, genius comment are becoming pointless and that really can't be used against anyone as everyone are in there own right.
NarutoSageUzumaki
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As i have Said , Naruto is not a Genius on the Levels of Minato , he is a Battle genius. But Naruto out of the whole Shinobi army present was the only one to figure it out , even though Dodai had the same intel
Naruto can Summon Ma and Pa too*
it is like saying , It is Orochimaru's summon Manda that Saved Sasuke From Deidara's c4
dont bend the reality to what you want it to be
He Leveled it up , he Mastered his fathers technique a long time ago when he was 13
again , you curve the facts towards what you want them to say , and not stating facts as they are
When has the manga ever called Naruto a genius? is Dodai a genius?
I know that he got from Jiraiya that helped him in his fighg with pain.
I haven't bent anything everyone knows Manda is Orochimaru summonin, I didn't know it needed to be explained.
Yea Naruto thought of RS all on his on without Kakashi help
I stated whats in the mang
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NarutoSageUzumaki
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well that is off topic ,
But with Ninjas such as Dodai and Temari - who are supposedly Smarter than Naruto , Given the Intel that Dodai gave out loud
you were supposed to think that they would be the ones thinking of the solution
but Naruto was the only one who did
blazekev90
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fastrthnwind
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Well you have three categories:
1)Those who are mentally gifted - these peoeple excel when it comes to cognitive ability like strategical/tactical planning along with knowledge in general
2)Those who are physically gifted - these people excel when it comes to physical strength, and stamina
3)and those who are both - these people tend to grasp things both physically and mentally much quicker than most and are able to utilize it in combat with great efficiency, though sometimes not as much as one who excels in one category.
Examples of people gifted in each category:
Physically: Naruto, Lee, Gai, Jiraiya, Nagato, Kisame
Mentally: Sakura, Shino, Tsunade, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Sasori, Shikamaru, Shikaku
Both: Minato, Itachi, Sasuke, Neji, Kakashi, Hiruzen, Madara
1)Those who are mentally gifted - these peoeple excel when it comes to cognitive ability like strategical/tactical planning along with knowledge in general
2)Those who are physically gifted - these people excel when it comes to physical strength, and stamina
3)and those who are both - these people tend to grasp things both physically and mentally much quicker than most and are able to utilize it in combat with great efficiency, though sometimes not as much as one who excels in one category.
Examples of people gifted in each category:
Physically: Naruto, Lee, Gai, Jiraiya, Nagato, Kisame
Mentally: Sakura, Shino, Tsunade, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Sasori, Shikamaru, Shikaku
Both: Minato, Itachi, Sasuke, Neji, Kakashi, Hiruzen, Madara
The whole point of this topic is who isn't a Genius, I said Naruto. Don't know why we are carrying on the pointless discussion. Temari and her team also cut the Raikage, tho they didn't have a jutsu to make the Raikage hand hit him self, plus if they would've gotten close they easily would've been killed.
blazekev90
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Being gifted and having intelligence are different. Gifted is innate, while intelligence results from ones environment
