[Discussion] Sakura Should Not Surpass Tsunade

[Gyakusetsu]

I agree with your reasoning, additionally Sakura defines herself through her relationships with the other characters while Tsunade is fully developed on her own, (no pun intended).

 

[9th Raikage]

I agree with your reasoning, additionally Sakura defines herself through her relationships with the other characters while Tsunade is fully developed on her own, (no pun intended).

HA! Good point.

 

[TurrinB]

She'll surpass her, it just won't happen till Sakura is in her prime.

 

[Slug Princess]

She'll surpass her, it just won't happen till Sakura is in her prime.

Wait... what about this??

Spoiler

No, it will never happen...

Sakura is a Haruno,,,, no one has ever heard of that clan... while Tsunade is direct descendant of both, Senju and Uzumaki clans. Her grandfather was the First Hokage who was and is still a legend for the ninja world.... and her grandmother was the strongest Kunnoichi of her time. Also, Tsunade inherited her Yin Seal from Mito, and that was considered a unique talent for the Uzumakis just as the Sharingan is for the Uchiha. So.... with that said... the only way for Sakura to surpass Tsunade would be mastering the Byakugou and become unbreakable like Tsunade... but she needs that UNIQUE Yin Seal to perform that jutsu.....
That's why Tsunade said:
This is a forbidden jutsu that I invented and I'm the only one able to perform it... which makes it my own battle.

I win
/post

 

[Chatte]

Wait... what about this??

Spoiler

No, it will never happen...

Sakura is a Haruno,,,, no one has ever heard of that clan... while Tsunade is direct descendant of both, Senju and Uzumaki clans. Her grandfather was the First Hokage who was and is still a legend for the ninja world.... and her grandmother was the strongest Kunnoichi of her time. Also, Tsunade inherited her Yin Seal from Mito, and that was considered a unique talent for the Uzumakis just as the Sharingan is for the Uchiha. So.... with that said... the only way for Sakura to surpass Tsunade would be mastering the Byakugou and become unbreakable like Tsunade... but she needs that UNIQUE Yin Seal to perform that jutsu.....
That's why Tsunade said:
This is a forbidden jutsu that I invented and I'm the only one able to perform it... which makes it my own battle.

I win
/post

Yin Seal is not inherited, is learned. It's a seal like the others, you just have to master it.
And that is not unique, can be learned by any other ninja EVEN IF they're not Senju or Uzumaki.

Minato Namikaze, anyone?

At this moment in time, yes, later on, you cannot say that.

Tsunade said that "This is a forbidden jutsu that only I know how to use it" not "This is a forbidden jutsu that only I know how to use it and will ever be that way".

Sakura already showed great resistance for her age when it comes to fatal hits.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

And even Chiyo said later, that she did receive a fatal blow, however she didn't die, meaning she has a resistance on her own.

So no, you don't win. Sorry.

Chatte is about to castrate you U_U

Lol at this.

Chatte likes Tsunade better.

Chatte likes them both equally.

@OP: Should it's one, could it's another.

 

[ShadowBandit]

Throughout this manga we have been told that Sakura will surpass Tsunade. I do not believe Sakura is or should be capable of doing so for two reasons:

1.) Tsunade is a Senju which endows her with large chakra reserves and the best healing capabilities since Hashirama Senju (1st Hokage). Sakura is not a Senju and as Kakashi stated, she does not have a lot of chakra. Unless Sakura takes the corpse of that white zetzu and extracts the senju cells and is able to make herself part Senju in a way that surpasses how others have become part Senju (like when she was able to help Kankuro in ways that surpassed Chiyo) then there is no way for her to surpass Tsunade.

2.) Sakura may be able to surpass Tsunade's battle skills if she becomes a master genjutsu user (as Kakashi stated that Sakura was a genjutsu type) and combines it with her devastating strength, but it doesnt look like that is likely. I understand that her affinity for genjutsu is why she is such a great medical ninja, but I still don't see where anything about Sakura warrants a surpassing of Tsunade's skills.

With that being said, I do believe Sakuara could be a great kunoichi, but unfortunately Kishi sucks at building up characters, especially female characters. Thoughts...???

Yah I don't agree with this, there is no manga evidence to conclude that to be a great Kunoichi you have to have Senju dna, it helps yah, to be overpowered like Naruto or have Uchiha dna and be over powered like Sasuke.

There are too many powerful ninjas out there they don't have special blood. Raikage has loads of chakra, Kisame had huge chakra reserves and there both defiantly not senju's.

Sakura is already close to passing Tsunade, in my opinion, considering Tsunade is like what 50? And Sakura only 16.

Sakura already has the super strength showing of her devastating blows against Sasori. Her medical skills are already near the top, since people in the manga during hospital scenes treat her like a superior.

The only thing Tsunade has major over Sakura is experience, and her self-healing justu.

Sakura will advance just like any other shinobi that isn't Naruto, with very few panels and very quickly. I wouldn't be surprise if she does something amazing before the war is over. Not saying is going to happen, but If it did, I wouldn't be surprised.

Kishi has stated he's very fond of Sakura, unlike her abundance of radical haters. So I doubt he'd sell Sakura short of being amazing Kunochi since he's trying to appeal to female fans as well.

Kishi designed her to more relatable to our reality. I mean whats more common then a young girl with a crush, getting heartbroken, and growing up trying to be a stronger women, and then realizing what's really important in love and life.

 

[9th Raikage]

Yah I don't agree with this, there is no manga evidence to conclude that to be a great Kunoichi you have to have Senju dna, it helps yah, to be overpowered like Naruto or have Uchiha dna and be over powered like Sasuke.

There are too many powerful ninjas out there they don't have special blood. Raikage has loads of chakra, Kisame had huge chakra reserves and there both defiantly not senju's.

Sakura is already close to passing Tsunade, in my opinion, considering Tsunade is like what 50? And Sakura only 16.

Sakura already has the super strength showing of her devastating blows against Sasori. Her medical skills are already near the top, since people in the manga during hospital scenes treat her like a superior.

The only thing Tsunade has major over Sakura is experience, and her self-healing justu.

Sakura will advance just like any other shinobi that isn't Naruto, with very few panels and very quickly. I wouldn't be surprise if she does something amazing before the war is over. Not saying is going to happen, but If it did, I wouldn't be surprised.

Kishi has stated he's very fond of Sakura, unlike her abundance of radical haters. So I doubt he'd sell Sakura short of being amazing Kunochi since he's trying to appeal to female fans as well.

Kishi designed her to more relatable to our reality. I mean whats more common then a young girl with a crush, getting heartbroken, and growing up trying to be a stronger women, and then realizing what's really important in love and life.

I never said that there were not non Senju/Uchiha ninjas with lots of chakra. I said Sakura does not have lots of chakra and therefore can not surpass Tsunade. She can not sustain Tsunade's techniques or use the rebirth technique because it shortens life span which Tsunade has a Senju has plenty to spare while Sakura doesnt. Therefore there is no way for her to be better than Tsunade.

If Kishi does make her better than Tsunade without Sakura using Senju DNA, then Kishi greatly underdeveloped Tsunade and her abilities.

Haruno<Senju

 

[Chatte]

I never said that there were not non Senju/Uchiha ninjas with lots of chakra. I said Sakura does not have lots of chakra and therefore can not surpass Tsunade. She can not sustain Tsunade's techniques or use the rebirth technique because it shortens life span which Tsunade has a Senju has plenty to spare while Sakura doesnt. Therefore there is no way for her to be better than Tsunade.

If Kishi does make her better than Tsunade without Sakura using Senju DNA, then Kishi greatly underdeveloped Tsunade and her abilities.

Haruno<Senju

What about Sarutobi who had 5 in chakra?
What about other characters that had 5 in chakra without being Senju/Uzumaki/Uchiha?

And who says she doesn't find other ways to surpass Tsunade? Maybe come up with a technique or "repair" this one so that the after-effects of it won't be a lifespan shortening?

Plus this whole thing with short-span was a bit far-fetched.

Tsunade creates new cells so if you think it logical, those new cells sustain life.

Don't know exactly how to explain it, someone did it better than me.

But of course, Kishi needed to probably put a barrier.

Anyway, regarding the chakra, it's not about how much chakra you have, it's about how much you use for your jutsu.
Plus it was showed that you can work on your chakra pool.
Take example Kakashi (before this war).

He was barely able to use normal sharingan. In part 2 he worked on his chakra and he was able to use Mangekyo, who, if we go by the logic of chakra, should've killed him.

So yes, Sakura can surpass Tsunade even if she's not a Senju.

Hell, one of the geniuses of this manga was from no clan and he made his own techniques and made himself some sort of unbeatable character.

 

[9th Raikage]

What about Sarutobi who had 5 in chakra?
What about other characters that had 5 in chakra without being Senju/Uzumaki/Uchiha?

And who says she doesn't find other ways to surpass Tsunade? Maybe come up with a technique or "repair" this one so that the after-effects of it won't be a lifespan shortening?

Plus this whole thing with short-span was a bit far-fetched.

Tsunade creates new cells so if you think it logical, those new cells sustain life.

Don't know exactly how to explain it, someone did it better than me.

But of course, Kishi needed to probably put a barrier.

Anyway, regarding the chakra, it's not about how much chakra you have, it's about how much you use for your jutsu.
Plus it was showed that you can work on your chakra pool.
Take example Kakashi (before this war).

He was barely able to use normal sharingan. In part 2 he worked on his chakra and he was able to use Mangekyo, who, if we go by the logic of chakra, should've killed him.

So yes, Sakura can surpass Tsunade even if she's not a Senju.

Hell, one of the geniuses of this manga was from no clan and he made his own techniques and made himself some sort of unbeatable character.

Yes Hiruzen may have had 5 in chakra but Sakura doesnt and that is my point. She can not perform to the level of Tsunade without adequate chakra reserves. Simple.

And using Kakashi as an example is horrible. Everybody knows that Kishi is just making Kakashi keep going for the purpose of the story. Kakashi should have run out of chakra long ago and should be dead by now. That's a fail by Kishi.

And who is this genius you speak of that is from no clan and made his own techniques??? Name please.

 

[Chatte]

Yes Hiruzen may have had 5 in chakra but Sakura doesnt and that is my point. She can not perform to the level of Tsunade without adequate chakra reserves. Simple.

And using Kakashi as an example is horrible. Everybody knows that Kishi is just making Kakashi keep going for the purpose of the story. Kakashi should have run out of chakra long ago and should be dead by now. That's a fail by Kishi.

And who is this genius you speak of that is from no clan and made his own techniques??? Name please.

Hiruzen had 5 in his prime, ok? Sakura is yet 16. Give her a break.
Those chakra reserves can be attained via chakra control training. Should we remember who was the best out of Team 7 at chakra control?

I said Kakashi before this war, not not. But fine, you disconsider Kakashi.

Now, tell me... how come Gaara, Raikage who are not from neither Uzumaki, Senju or Uchiha clans have this chakra pool?
Gara is not a jinchuuriki anymore so you cannot say because of his Bijuu.

Once again, Minato Namikaze, anyone?

 

[9th Raikage]

Hiruzen had 5 in his prime, ok? Sakura is yet 16. Give her a break.
Those chakra reserves can be attained via chakra control training. Should we remember who was the best out of Team 7 at chakra control?

I said Kakashi before this war, not not. But fine, you disconsider Kakashi.

Now, tell me... how come Gaara, Raikage who are not from neither Uzumaki, Senju or Uchiha clans have this chakra pool?
Gara is not a jinchuuriki anymore so you cannot say because of his Bijuu.

Once again, Minato Namikaze, anyone?

Did you not read ANYTHING I said??? My point is that Sakura doesn't have the chakra which is why she cant be greater than Tsunade. I agree and understand that non Uchiha and non Senju people are capable of having huge chakra reserves but MY POINT is that Sakura doesn't.

And chakra reserves are not attained by practicing chakra control. Chakra control means you can use less chakra to get the same results as someone who uses less chakra. Sakura does have that in her favor, but Tsunade has great chakra control as well. It is a requirement for all medical ninja.

I would love to see Sakura become greater if Kishi can make it rational (which he sucks at), but you can not make someone with little chakra suddenly do a million ninjutsu and not die as Kishi has done with Kakashi. The manga loses consistency and credibility.

 

[Chatte]

Did you not read ANYTHING I said??? My point is that Sakura doesn't have the chakra which is why she cant be greater than Tsunade. I agree and understand that non Uchiha and non Senju people are capable of having huge chakra reserves but MY POINT is that Sakura doesn't.

And chakra reserves are not attained by practicing chakra control. Chakra control means you can use less chakra to get the same results as someone who uses less chakra. Sakura does have that in her favor, but Tsunade has great chakra control as well. It is a requirement for all medical ninja.

I would love to see Sakura become greater if Kishi can make it rational (which he sucks at), but you can not make someone with little chakra suddenly do a million ninjutsu and not die as Kishi has done with Kakashi. The manga loses consistency and credibility.

Yes dear, my point was about chakra as well but seems like you didn't understood it.
It's all about chakra reserves, that's what you want to say.

Sakura and any other normal ninja at the moment doesn't. But Tsunade has those chakra reserves at 54. Sakura by then can work at her chakra control and attain those chakra reserves.

Well, then, take it by your point, please remind me out of team 7 who was the one that used less chakra control and effective usage of the jutsu?
Sakura does have that into her favor, the requirement for medical ninja.
Guess what Sakura is.

Sakura is rational, when emotions come into play she is a bit unrational. Show me one person in this world who is rational when it comes to emotions.

Well, if you remember in part 1, Kakashi wasn't able to do what he did in Pein arc and a simple copying of a jutsu got him fatigued to the point of death if he didn't stop. Yet, up to Pein arc he did so much more thanks to his... chakra control, yes!

What says Sakura won't be able to do so?

And you forget one thing, being a medical ninja, she can have pills to enhance her feats.

 

[Hori]

The fact that she can't find something to motivate her it makes her weak, because no one in the base can tell me what is Sakura's ninja way any one?

 

[Turson]

The fact that she can't find something to motivate her it makes her weak, because no one in the base can tell me what is Sakura's ninja way any one?

To help her friends and keep them safe.

 

[Chatte]

The fact that she can't find something to motivate her it makes her weak, because no one in the base can tell me what is Sakura's ninja way any one?

I think you are fairly like 400 away with the motivation...
Sakura ninja way is protecting the ones she cares about even if it costs her the life.
That's why she went to Tsunade to train her in the first place.

 

[9th Raikage]

Yes dear, my point was about chakra as well but seems like you didn't understood it.
It's all about chakra reserves, that's what you want to say.

Sakura and any other normal ninja at the moment doesn't. But Tsunade has those chakra reserves at 54. Sakura by then can work at her chakra control and attain those chakra reserves.

Well, then, take it by your point, please remind me out of team 7 who was the one that used less chakra control and effective usage of the jutsu?
Sakura does have that into her favor, the requirement for medical ninja.
Guess what Sakura is.

Sakura is rational, when emotions come into play she is a bit unrational. Show me one person in this world who is rational when it comes to emotions.

Well, if you remember in part 1, Kakashi wasn't able to do what he did in Pein arc and a simple copying of a jutsu got him fatigued to the point of death if he didn't stop. Yet, up to Pein arc he did so much more thanks to his... chakra control, yes!

What says Sakura won't be able to do so?

And you forget one thing, being a medical ninja, she can have pills to enhance her feats.

I believe we must agree to disagree. Until Kishi better explains chakra. I see it like this. If I have a million dollars and you only have one hundred thousand I can buy more things than you. If you shop wisely you may be able to buy the same items I can for less, but you still have less money to spend and will run out of one hundred grand before I run out of my one million.

In the beginning Naruto was a millionaire. He lacked control while Sakura was able to spend wisely and get great deals. However Sakura cant keep up because though she is wise and thrifty she just doesnt have enough money to do everything a millionaire Naruto can do.

 

[Chatte]

I believe we must agree to disagree. Until Kishi better explains chakra. I see it like this. If I have a million dollars and you only have one hundred thousand I can buy more things than you. If you shop wisely you may be able to buy the same items I can for less, but you still have less money to spend and will run out of one hundred grand before I run out of my one million.

In the beginning Naruto was a millionaire. He lacked control while Sakura was able to spend wisely and get great deals. However Sakura cant keep up because though she is wise and thrifty she just doesnt have enough money to do everything a millionaire Naruto can do.

I agree we must agree to disagree as well.
See you have that one million dollars and you spend them, but I don't want to spend them and I want to control them properly so I will make more than 1 million dollars.

Same that can happen with Sakura.

Or while Naruto spends on something unimportant, Sakura can spend on something that brings her profit, so she is continuously growing.

 

[9th Raikage]

I agree we must agree to disagree as well.
See you have that one million dollars and you spend them, but I don't want to spend them and I want to control them properly so I will make more than 1 million dollars.

Same that can happen with Sakura.

Or while Naruto spends on something unimportant, Sakura can spend on something that brings her profit, so she is continuously growing.

If what you say is true or even close to being valid, Sakura would be at least close to Sasuske and Naruto's level and well... she's not. I hope somehow Kishi develops her because I had high hopes for her. Now she is one step away from fodder. Perhaps Tsunade wont die and will give Sakura all of her jutsu... but she wouldnt have enough chakra to do them since Tsunade has more chakra and comparable chakra control... guess we will have to wait and see