Orochimaru was 100% right

[Wolfang714]

His > He's

A little punctuation wouldn't hurt.

I see you're point. However, if Sasuke returned to Konoha after he made contact with Orochimaru... he would have gotten has ass whooped and he would have received the greatest mind f*ck of all time from Ibiki.

 

[romeboii]

Disagree even if danzo was holding back it makes no difference sasuke has proved him self fighting 5kages not at once but back to back(only surviving because tobi saved him but it is still impressive that he got that far)he fought bee and saved his team from getting killed by him and made him retreat(although he still lost it was also impressive) danzo kept surviving sasukes attacks by the skin on his teeth he had one move to take sasuke out which was a last attempt at to do something useful which failed...i do how ever agree with his immaturity because instead of going with what his brother wants after he starts to love him again he ignores it...but you should understand that after going after revenge for so long he is not able to change from it that had become his personality

 

[romeboii]

NOT A BAD LIFE WHAT..his whole family tree was wiped out by his brother who in turn told him to hate him put him undergenjutsu made him a vengeful crazy kid sure his class mates liked him but is that consilation for seeing your brother who you adored so much standing over your dead parents..yes naruto had a bad life but you cant miss some one you never had naruto and he did not see his parents dead body

 

[BlackDude]

The problem with that is he wants to kill innocent villagers that have nothing to do with that and he knows it his just a twisted psychopatic emo villian. Before he even found out the truth about Itachi he betray a entire village and tried to kill Naurot in cold blood. I never said go back to Konoha I said I would he liked if he would have been a anti hero missing nin. The only times in part 2 Naruto's been saved was with Kakashi and Guy aganist Obito and that was before he got BM now his the one saving everyone and when Hinata saved him from Pain which did more damage than help considering Hinata cant do shit to Pain.

I can agree with wanting to kill innocent villages but thats collateral damage . Also how is he emo? I dont recall him ever trying to kill hisself. People do it all the time.. also how did he betray the village ? He simply just left Naruto just wouldnt let him leave, so that his fought if he got killed ! Also, what do you mean by anti hero missing nin. He got saved from Deidara ..

 

[Naruto9001]

Disagree even if danzo was holding back it makes no difference sasuke has proved him self fighting 5kages not at once but back to back(only surviving because tobi saved him but it is still impressive that he got that far)he fought bee and saved his team from getting killed by him and made him retreat(although he still lost it was also impressive) danzo kept surviving sasukes attacks by the skin on his teeth he had one move to take sasuke out which was a last attempt at to do something useful which failed...i do how ever agree with his immaturity because instead of going with what his brother wants after he starts to love him again he ignores it...but you should understand that after going after revenge for so long he is not able to change from it that had become his personality

He got his ass handed to him and would have lost or tied with A if Gaara didn't save him. Would have died aganist Mei if Zetsu didn't save him. Would have died aganist Onoki if Tobi didn't save him. That's not proving him self. He died three times in that fight and Bee only retreated because he was bored if he wanted to kill them he would have did it while they was distracted capturing the tentacle clone. Lets face it if Danzo would have used KA that fight would have been over fast. That's the whole problem I dont mind him getting vengence but it's the way his doing it that I hate.

NOT A BAD LIFE WHAT..his whole family tree was wiped out by his brother who in turn told him to hate him put him undergenjutsu made him a vengeful crazy kid sure his class mates liked him but is that consilation for seeing your brother who you adored so much standing over your dead parents..yes naruto had a bad life but you cant miss some one you never had naruto and he did not see his parents dead body

Having a bad life is having to deal with misery your whole life Sasuke didn't go though misery his parents just died that's all. It's not like he had to live though the hardship of war where he saw people dieing he lived a good life.

 

[Naruto9001]

I can agree with wanting to kill innocent villages but thats collateral damage . Also how is he emo? I dont recall him ever trying to kill hisself. People do it all the time.. also how did he betray the village ? He simply just left Naruto just wouldnt let him leave, so that his fought if he got killed ! Also, what do you mean by anti hero missing nin. He got saved from Deidara ..

By joining forces with Orochimaru who he knew was going to destroy Konoha if he got his body that's what I mean by betraying the village. Sasuke was planning on killing him beforehand he even said the whole reason for killing Naruto was to unlock the MS he probadly knew Naruto would come after him and planned all of that out. I mean he could have been a missing nin and help Konoha whenever he needs to but not comeback.

 

[Narutofan4203]

Sasuke has changed a lot, though. He's not 100% emo anymore.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

1. kinda agree with this

2.disagree, why does he have to bee buddy buddy with the village right after his whole clan was executed. If i were him i would think that the whole village was annoying. Also when was it ever stated that he used naruto for power? Sasuke said that he actually thought naruto as his best friend so i dont know where you got that from.

3. of course he is arrogant and cocky, thats his Uchiha blood. Also who hasnt gotten help in a battle and im pretty sure naruto gets help in almost all his battles. Also 2 batlles on shippuden sasuke didnt get help from is sasuke vs deidara and sasuke vs Danzo

4. Why should sasuke save innocent bystanders when Konoha didnt?

5. Who in there right mind would live in the place that caused the Uchiha massacre and Itachi's death

 

[Tartarus]

Sasuke didn't go though misery his parents just died that's all. he lived a good life.

:flaw: Go find someone who's seen their parents be killed and tell them that they have nothing to whine about, I'm sure they'll be happy to enlighten you about your ignorance. So if someone you trusted killed your entire family, forced you to watch their murder for 24 hours when you were 7, you wouldn't be mad and it wouldn't influence the rest of your life? Then you are a liar. The only one who is a child here is you if you think shallow fangirls> a loving family. You are an ignorant child with no perspective about what is truly of value in this world and what it means to lose it.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Wow someone is on sauske balls lol

OMG ,they are attacking Sasuke , Protect him by Saying Amateratsu > all and running away

 

[Naruto9001]

1. kinda agree with this

2.disagree, why does he have to bee buddy buddy with the village right after his whole clan was executed. If i were him i would think that the whole village was annoying. Also when was it ever stated that he used naruto for power? Sasuke said that he actually thought naruto as his best friend so i dont know where you got that from.

3. of course he is arrogant and cocky, thats his Uchiha blood. Also who hasnt gotten help in a battle and im pretty sure naruto gets help in almost all his battles. Also 2 batlles on shippuden sasuke didnt get help from is sasuke vs deidara and sasuke vs Danzo

4. Why should sasuke save innocent bystanders when Konoha didnt?

5. Who in there right mind would live in the place that caused the Uchiha massacre and Itachi's death

2. This was before we found out the truth about Itachi even after we found out the truth there innocent villagers only the elders know about what Danzo and Itachi did so it's not the village's fault that his clan got killed so even with them treating him good he should walk around acting like a ass to everyone he sees the village also dosen't deserve for him to join forces with Oro and let him take his body and destroy it because he wants to kill Itachi. Sasuke said because were friends that his going to kill Naruto that leads me to believe he was only being his friend so that he could kill him later on.

3. Not in every battle Naruto didn't get help aganist Kiba,Neji,Gaara and Pain [Unless you consider Hinata who couldn't do jackshit aganist Pain help]. I said either got help,saved or his opponent was holding back aganist Deidara plot obviously saved him seeing as he used up a ton of chakra aganist Deidara and used that CM alot in that battle which was said to drain alot of his stamina he even said he was out of chakra. Danzo never activated KA and he was constantly getting chakra from Karin during that fight so his opponent was holding back and he was helped.

4. There weren't no innocent bystanders Itachi killed everyone who was killed knew about the cop detat that's why they called Sasuke the unknowing child.

5. I never said for him to go back to Konoha.

 

[shelke]

Sasuke had a good life? No offense man, are throwing around a kiddy joke or something? Try to find something relevant with your laptop/PC for a change and read red cross reports on children belonging from war-torn regions and the effects of wars on them. Sasuke is the most mentally strong character in the entire manga, people may disagree with me, but show me a character who saw such brutality done by his own brother, and still had the will to keep going? You won't find a single character like this. Compared to this, Naruto only got bullied, and look at his immature stance on the world; highly unrealistic.

All of your points are wrong about the uchiha clan and Sasuke's personality. Revenge has its nobility. It's just democracy and its believers who think that mass genocides for public interests are the right thing to do, but conversely, killing someone for a personal vendetta is so horribly wrong. Uchiha clan were planning to over-throw the government, what does it have anything to do with killing citizens? Are you even reading Naruto?

 

[TurrinB]

Yeah Sasuke is one of my favorite characters, but I can admit he has a rather immature outlook on things. But now he's at least trying to learn.

 

[shelke]

No offense to you OP, but why should he help Konoha? People here actually believe that jingoism and patriotism -the most idiotic concepts since the advent of man - is more important than exacting revenge for your murdered kith and kin? Wow, just wow. Is this forum so damn immature?

 

[TheBrightSide]

No offense to you OP, but why should he help Konoha? People here actually believe that jingoism and patriotism -the most idiotic concepts since the advent of man - is more important than exacting revenge for your murdered kith and kin? Wow, just wow. Is this forum so damn immature?

Everyone has different views on things. Just because people feel strongly about something you dont doesnt make them immature.

 

[shelke]

Everyone has different views on things. Just because people feel strongly about something you dont doesnt make them immature.

So fighting to death for a country where you were born, and had no choice in your birth, you have no ties with anyone is far more mature and the right thing to do, but conversely, it's immature? The family that brought you into this world - father and mother - the brother who is your own blood and the kin take the back seat for nationalistic agendas? Sorry, but it just does. Give me one rational and sane reason to back up patriotism, and I would see things your way. This phenomenon is more stupid and idiotic than religion.

 

[TheBrightSide]

So fighting to death for a country where you were born, and had no choice in your birth, you have no ties with anyone is far more mature and the right thing to do, but conversely, it's immature? The family that brought you into this world - father and mother - the brother who is your own blood and the kin take the back seat for nationalistic agendas? Sorry, but it just does. Give me one rational and sane reason to back up patriotism, and I would see things your way. This phenomenon is more stupid and idiotic than religion.

I dont necessarily believe in patriotism either its just that you have to understand everyone here feels differently about these sort of things and there is no one right answer. Personally I dont really care for my family one way or another. As ****ed up as that may sound to some, thats just how I am. I do agree with you on your point about religion though. Patriotism and religion are basically just used to indoctrinate the masses. However some people just naturally take pride with whatever country or religion they are affiliated with, and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

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[shelke]

I dont necessarily believe in patriotism either its just that you have to understand everyone here feels differently about these sort of things and there is no one right answer. Personally I dont really care for my family one way or another. As ****ed up as that may sound to some, thats just how I am. I do agree with you on your point about religion though. Patriotism and religion are basically just used to indoctrinate the masses. However some people just naturally take pride with whatever country or religion they are affiliated with, and there is nothing wrong with that.

There is nothing right with that either. My original point; if one believes that genocide for the nation is the right thing to do, how is mass genocide for family such a wrong thing? This forum is too damn hypocritical and immature in its views. If one thing is held in high regard, why isn't it justified the other way around as well, when Family ties are infinitely more intricate and directly related to ones being than nation, which has nothing to do with choice or any related factor? People here can believe whatever they want, but it doesn't make their views on genocide for national benefits any less disgusting.

 

[TheBrightSide]

There is nothing right with that either. My original point; if one believes that genocide for the nation is the right thing to do, how is mass genocide for family such a wrong thing? This forum is too damn hypocritical and immature in its views. If one thing is held in high regard, why isn't it justified the other way around as well, when Family ties are infinitely more intricate and directly related to ones being than nation, which has nothing to do with choice or any related factor? People here can believe whatever they want, but it doesn't make their views on genocide for national benefits any less disgusting.

Haha i'm pretty sure its safe to say we can all agree that any form of genocide is wrong. But in the case of the village a conflict of some kind was inevitable so they chose to take action before things got out of control. There was to much distrust between the Uchihas and the village for there to be any meaning behind talks of peace. They simply did what they thought they had to do for the betterment of the village. Its obviously not the right thing to do but that distrust was so ingrained in their society that there werent many other options. Thats just my take although i doubt that will change your opinion at all.