(Thoth) Proof that Second Mizukage > MS Sasuke Uchiha

[Microsword57]

In my #21 post, I said that Sasuke can block Mizu's oil-filled water with susanoo. The susanoo would be covered in oil and if Sasuke uses a fire tech there would be a combustion/explosion that would harm him. If Sasuke gets hit directly by a water tech he better not use fire or he'll combust.

So he's water mixed with Oil? If so I do not see how that stops the fire on oil because if you throw water on a grease fire it just gets bigger isn't that like double fuel?

 

[Microsword57]

He is oil with water but he's not immune to fire. If Sasuke counters Mizu's oil-filled water techs with fire, there will be a large combustion/explosion. Both of them can be harmed by that. Mizu MUST NOT get hit by any fire techs or he'll explode. Sasuke has to watch out too.

O ok I got it... Cause the threadmaker made it seem like if sasuke used fire it would do nothing.... The original is made out of oil so he could in terms just blow him up right?

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I agree
It could work.


Sasuke can Amaterasu him when he turns into Hydrification (oil)
If you mean when it explodes then it wont work. Its just water vapor.


So Sasuke (fire)> Mizukage(Oil) thx for agreeing

I do agree that fire>oil but thats not enough to beat Mizukage the second.

 

[BlackDude]

I do agree that fire>oil but thats not enough to beat Mizukage the second.

WTF :sy:

Dude if he is made up of oil , and he get hit by any kinda fire technique he's finish. Your logic doesn't make any sense I guess you cant accept MS Sasuke > Mizukage?

 

[Microsword57]

I do agree that fire>oil but thats not enough to beat Mizukage the second.

because? The original body is extremely weak at this time and he uses just oil so wouldn;t he easily be killed by a fire technique while the clone runs around?

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[Vandenre1ch]

O ok I got it... Cause the threadmaker made it seem like if sasuke used fire it would do nothing.... The original is made out of oil so he could in terms just blow him up right?

lol. In a way yes. Second Mizu without jokei boi and clam cant beat MS Sasuke. Sasuke can also make jokei boy explode prematurely with fire techs. However, Sasuke wont win.

Sasuke has no solution to clam genjutsu.
-Mizu can cover Sasuke and/or his susanoo in oil making Sasuke's fire techs ofc.

 

[shelke]

I don't agree with most of your points.

1: Sussano is a manifestation of Chakra, not a physcial object. How will oil cover chakra and render it useless? Doesn't make any sense.

2: Sasuke has sharingen. Your point is about sensors. Sasuke isn't a sensor, he has the clairvoyant eyes, and will see through his genjutsu. All his genjutsu will be rendered useless against Sasuke.

3: Amatersu if concentrated spreads instantly. Look at Hachibi burning for full understanding. Sasuke concentrated it eyes, and only within a second or two, the whole hachibi was engulfed in flames, only spring the last tip of his tentacle.

4: Oil is weak against fire. Even if the water will tone down the damage, it won't reduce it to zero. It would lower it by half, as according to the skills he is water and oil during his hydrafication.

5: How are arrows useless against him?

The rest of the points are possible, but these aren't.

 

[BlackDude]

lol. In a way yes. Second Mizu without jokei boi and clam cant beat MS Sasuke. Sasuke can also make jokei boy explode prematurely with fire techs. However, Sasuke wont win.

Sasuke has no solution to clam genjutsu.
-Mizu can cover Sasuke and/or his susanoo in oil making Sasuke's fire techs ofc.

Sasuke will see through the genjustu.

Sasuke could always summon hawk ! Than, just shoot Amaterasu, or Fireballs.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

WTF :sy:

Dude if he is made up of oil , and he get hit by any kinda fire technique he's finish. Your logic doesn't make any sense I guess you cant accept MS Sasuke > Mizukage?

Second Mizukage summons the clam making the genjutsu. Sasuke has no counter for that. He can just attack Sasuke with oil-filled water while Sasuke's confused. If Sasuke gets covered in oil, he cant uses his fire techs or he'll blow up too. Sasuke might summon the hawk for the airel advantage but he cant do anything afterwards. Mizu can see the fireballs coming and evade them.

As for Jokei Boy, Mizu only uses this as a last resort. Its true that Mizu would be vulnerable and Sasuke can easily see him via sharigan but wont get to him because of Jokei Boys endless assualt.

Sasuke spams Amaterasu and Susanoo that he'll just drain himself crating openings for Mizu to attack.

 

[Thoth]

2nd Mizukage can use both oil based and regular Suika no Jutsu. Regular when being attacked by fire and oil based when being attacked by lightning.

 

[BlackDude]

Second Mizukage summons the clam making the genjutsu. Sasuke has no counter for that. He can just attack Sasuke with oil-filled water while Sasuke's confused. If Sasuke gets covered in oil, he cant uses his fire techs or he'll blow up too. Sasuke might summon the hawk for the airel advantage but he cant do anything afterwards. Mizu can see the fireballs coming and evade them.

As for Jokei Boy, Mizu only uses this as a last resort. Its true that Mizu would be vulnerable and Sasuke can easily see him via sharigan but wont get to him because of Jokei Boys endless assualt.

Sasuke spams Amaterasu and Susanoo that he'll just drain himself crating openings for Mizu to attack.

xd Also, Sasuke could make Kirin from all the fireballs , and amaterasu thrown around. And Mizu isnt dodging Kirin ,or surviving it!

 

[Microsword57]

lol. In a way yes. Second Mizu without jokei boi and clam cant beat MS Sasuke. Sasuke can also make jokei boy explode prematurely with fire techs. However, Sasuke wont win.

Sasuke has no solution to clam genjutsu.
-Mizu can cover Sasuke and/or his susanoo in oil making Sasuke's fire techs ofc.

If Mizukage covers Susanoo with his Oil Sasuke can use Blaze Release. Blaze Release is also a flame. The Oil would make the Flames bigger on Susanoo but Blaze Release flames Sasuke can manipulate off his Susanoo and send them toward his Opponent[

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]. The Clam is a combination of a Physical existence and Illusion[

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]. The Sharingan will allow Sasuke to see through both parts of this. The Sharingan allows the User to see through Genjutsu[

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] This allowed Sasuke to match the Tsukuyomi. The Sharingan also allows the user to see Chakra as a color[

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]. The combination of these two abilities would allow Sasuke to see through the Illusion helping him realize which clam is the mirage/creating the mirage and seeing the chakra through solids would allow Sasuke to find the Physical clam and destroy it. Sensor were fooled by the Illusion part. For Jouki boy it is true that Sasuke can not harm it without causing it to explode and reform, but during this time Mizukage is at his weakest[

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]. The Sharingan seeing chakra as color could help find Jouki Boy and depending on the area he would not have anywhere for him to hide. The Mizukage at this time is using oil[

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]. A Fire Style jutsu would cause his original body to explode and kill him. Susanoo could protect Sasuke from the infinite explosions while this happens.

 

[BlackBison]

Ms sasuke> 2nd Mizukage

If the mizukage has oil mixed in water, then by the properties of both substances the oil would consume the water. This means that the water element would allow him to use his hydrification technique but the oil substance would overtake the water. This means that any fire technique would cause the mizukage to explode.

Any fire techniques would be his greatest weakness. Also amaterastu is said to be hotter than the sun and it doesn't vanish for extended periods of time and nothing can put it out but the user. This would mean that if the mizukage is hit by amaterastu on any part of his body, he would enter into a non stop combustion chain-reaction.

It is not wise to compare sasuke's sharingan to fodder ninja's. The sharingan has the ability to distinguish not just chakra properties but it is also allows the user to counter any genjustu that effect them visually. The mirage done by the mizukage's claim is an example of affecting your opponents sense of sight. Sasuke would be able to notice that the mirage is in fact a mirage based on the chakra of the mirage. The sharingan allows him to do this.

Joki boy is the only problematic jutsu that he would encounter, but sasuke's has his susanoo as a perfect defense for this technique. Susanoo defends against any outward force opposing it and while inside he could still use techniques. Sasuke can also take the fight to the skies to scope out the are in order to find the real mizukage's body. This depends on the area that they are fighting in.

Ems sasuke is the same as ms sasuke except for his sharingan is highly strengthen thanks to Itachi's eyes.

Sasuke is smart enough, fast enough, and has the necessary move set to take down the 2nd mizukage. His type of genjustu will prove useless in front of a ninja wielding a sharingan.

P.s. lets remember that the mizukage moves are to try to trick his opponent, thus when you figure out how his trick works he is quite beatable and like I said sasuke is smart enough to figure out his trick. He isn't called a genius for nothing.

 

[3MESSIAH]

i really enjoyed your thread ***** and i agree mizukage takes this.sasuke would already be drained after breaking through the mizukage`s clam illusion and severely fatiqued after defending himself against steaming danger tyranny with his susanoo +using his amaterasu and chidori to try to get through his hydrification technique which he probably couldnt...sasuke wouldnt even have time to prepare kirin

 

[Vandenre1ch]

xd Also, Sasuke could make Kirin from all the fireballs , and amaterasu thrown around. And Mizu isnt dodging Kirin ,or surviving it!

Mizu is oil. It wont work.

 

[Prime Rib]

that isnt proof btw

 

[shelke]

Mizu is oil. It wont work.

Kirin is raw lightening not some technique. It'll fry him along with his oil, as raw lightening has an immense burning effect and can raise the temperature of the area where it strikes by substantial amount. It's enough to burn silica in sand to turn it into crystal.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Kirin is raw lightening not some technique. It'll fry him along with his oil, as raw lightening has an immense burning effect and can raise the temperature of the area where it strikes by substantial amount. It's enough to burn silica in sand to turn it into crystal.

I know. I didnt consider that at first.

 

[3MESSIAH]

i`ve thought about this and i have to change my mind sasuke takes this,but with a very high difficulty

this is how i imagined their fight:

2nd mizukage would summon his clam,use it`s genjutsu and quickly begin to strike at sasuke.sasuke would activate his version 2 susanoo to protect himself therefore activating MS which would also enable him to see through the genjutsu and where the clam is.he would then fire his susanoo arrow through the clam,destroying it.then he would attemt to do the same with 2nd mizukage,but mizukage would simply use hydrification technique to survive susannoo arrow.seeing as how he wont be able to inflict normal damage to 2nd mizukage sasuke decides to send amaterasu flames on him.2nd mizukage uses normal hydrification technique(without oil) and at the same time creates a source of water with his suiton jutsu,therefore expanding his hydrification jutsu to the extent where he can then escape the amaterasu.sasuke decides to do his last resort jutsu against 2nd mizukage`s hydrification and uses chidori because lightning release bests the water release but 2nd mizukage surprises him again and adds oil into his hydrification technique which insulates lightning.when sasuke is near the mizukage attempting to penetrate him with chidori he does his genjutsu on him but mizukage counters even that because he is a master of genjutsu.2nd mizukage then begins to attack by sending his oil hydrification over sasuke`s susanoo and tries to hit him with water gun bullet technique but that just doesnt beat the susanoo at all.at this time sasuke(a genius as he is)will begin to figure out that there is only one way to beat 2nd mizukage....and that is to engulp him in flames and strike him with chidori or kirin at the same time...because when 2nd mizukage protects himself with normal water against the flames,chidori will finish him off at the same time because lightning>water.but if mizukage decides to add oil at the time he would explode because sasuke enveloped him with flames at the same time he attacked him with chidori....+mizukage will have no other option but to use steaming danger tyranny no jutsu(that wont bring susanoo down) therefore he will make himself a little weaker and slower and all just as what happened in the gaara and oonoki vs mizukage fight,so sasuke will have an easier time to engulf him in flames(ordinary and amaterasu),preventing the weakened mizukage to escape(at the same time protecting himself against exploding clone with susanoo) and striking the mizukage with chidori when mizukage is unable to escape....or do one kirin...that should wrap it p...but still it will be tough for sasuke to endure all these chakra consumptions but i say he can do it....

 

[History]

that fact that sasuke has to be ms is enough to know that he wins