NB RolePlay...Seriously what the hell?

[Vincent]

*cough*

just thought I would give my humble opinion, the recent events in the ninja world showed me just how little respect there is for the opinions of senseis and rp mods, and honestly i think this orange rule should be implemented for the sake of the senseis, as it truly bothered me watching a member dismiss 5 senior senseis as wrong and biased, this more than anything was the reason for my desire to stop rp battling, as the fun is completely gone, highlighted by me losing patience with a certain newbie and throwing one of my most op techniques at him to get him to shut up and go away, which I admit wasnt exactly very nice of me.

But anyway, the point is, if the arguements arent stamped out soon, the rp will end up dying off, I honestly cant understand how its gotten so bad, back in 2010 when i sarted rping, I remember fighing kagutsuchi in a tournament final, a move of mine was judged as wrong, and I accepted it, (using this as an example as i was a newbie back then) sensei opinions were deemed as more than enough to call a fight one way or the other, hell, the battle arena rules themselves state that a sensei opinion is all that is needed, but like i said, these days you get members arguing against 5 senior senseis and an rp mod, which is just completely rediculous.

 

[Erzo]

*cough*

just thought I would give my humble opinion, the recent events in the ninja world showed me just how little respect there is for the opinions of senseis and rp mods, and honestly i think this orange rule should be implemented for the sake of the senseis, as it truly bothered me watching a member dismiss 5 senior senseis as wrong and biased, this more than anything was the reason for my desire to stop rp battling, as the fun is completely gone, highlighted by me losing patience with a certain newbie and throwing one of my most op techniques at him to get him to shut up and go away, which I admit wasnt exactly very nice of me.

But anyway, the point is, if the arguements arent stamped out soon, the rp will end up dying off, I honestly cant understand how its gotten so bad, back in 2010 when i sarted rping, I remember fighing kagutsuchi in a tournament final, a move of mine was judged as wrong, and I accepted it, (using this as an example as i was a newbie back then) sensei opinions were deemed as more than enough to call a fight one way or the other, hell, the battle arena rules themselves state that a sensei opinion is all that is needed, but like i said, these days you get members arguing against 5 senior senseis and an rp mod, which is just completely rediculous.

But losing your patience and throwing OP techniques are one of the things which ruins the fun within the RP. If it's suppose to be fun, why not start off slow instead of trying to kill him/her (i don't know who it was..) as soon as possible.

 

[Vincent]

But losing your patience and throwing OP techniques are one of the things which ruins the fun within the RP. If it's suppose to be fun, why not start off slow instead of trying to kill him/her (i don't know who it was..) as soon as possible.

when someone is going to argue against anything you do anyway, you generally dont bother dragging it out

 

[Erzo]

when someone is going to argue against anything you do anyway, you generally dont bother dragging it out

Well you can't possibly know that someone is going to argue against anything you do lol. And if they do, just make sure to make valid moves, without having to have to go with some OP stuff approved years ago, just to beat them I think customs are the main thing that create arguments to be honest..

At least with canon jutsus you have something to refer back to, so when the sensei/mod checks he/she can make a decision without trouble.

 

[Vincent]

Well you can't possibly know that someone is going to argue against anything you do lol. And if they do, just make sure to make valid moves, without having to have to go with some OP stuff approved years ago, just to beat them I think customs are the main thing that create arguments to be honest..

At least with canon jutsus you have something to refer back to, so when the sensei/mod checks he/she can make a decision without trouble.

i knew because i restarted the fight after fighting going easier, but at the end of the day, I can use my techniques how I see fit, so I dont understand why you are telling me i was wrong to use my own techniques? lol

 

[Erzo]

i knew because i restarted the fight after fighting going easier, but at the end of the day, I can use my techniques how I see fit, so I dont understand why you are telling me i was wrong to use my own techniques? lol

I see.
I never said it was wrong, just said what I thought..

 

[Alternative]

i knew because i restarted the fight after fighting going easier, but at the end of the day, I can use my techniques how I see fit, so I dont understand why you are telling me i was wrong to use my own techniques? lol

I think one of the bigger reasons people will start an argument is because of people having some sort of complex that they're right and everyone else is wrong. I'm pretty sure everyone is guilty of this, and customs really do help encourage it since there really isn't a visual retrospect as to how it works in the Narutoverse. Say you were to use one of your customs in such a ridiculous manner to the point that it was in fact "wrong", does that make you automatically right seeing as it's your custom and you can use it as you see fit?

 

[Yashin]

The dramatic irony of this is hilarious.

The main arguer complains about arguing. lulz. (Minato btw >_>)

 

[Sublime]

<div class="bbWrapper">'ey guys...no need to argue here and point fingers. The thread asks for people to stop arguing and have fun in the Roleplay, if you don't like somebody dont 'play' with him, 'play' with the people you like, that way you will both enjoy the battling.<br /> It's a game ffs. Just a game...you know like...Snakes and Ladders? Chess? Othelo? Just a game <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></div>

 

[Scorps]

I think one of the bigger reasons people will start an argument is because of people having some sort of complex that they're right and everyone else is wrong. I'm pretty sure everyone is guilty of this, and customs really do help encourage it since there really isn't a visual retrospect as to how it works in the Narutoverse. Say you were to use one of your customs in such a ridiculous manner to the point that it was in fact "wrong", does that make you automatically right seeing as it's your custom and you can use it as you see fit?

Thats why you resort to mods. Its your customs but if an issue happens with then we are the ones who will tell you how to use it. When we approve a custom, we do so under our interpretation of the description and what we understand of it. If the owner decids to go beyond that, we correct it. If it persists, we can decline the tech.

Main point is that when an argument pertains to a custom being misused, you resort to mods. In all other issues, an sensei should be more than enough.

But not even mods are.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

I'll now add my 2 cents>_>
After reading practically every post, we can say that the major cause of our RP becoming uninteresting is

-Wanting to win every time which leads to
-Argument

Now I will now ask a question directed at video game players, when you play...say an adventure game for the first time, do you just play it to the end with your health bar being beaten down to zero at some pointxd even if you're a pro, its not possibleU_U
What do I mean? most RPers are so concentrated on winning that they lose sight of the one important thing besides HAVING FUN, and that is gaining experience, and I'll now ask, who is a loser in our RP? someone who loses and doesn't TRY to see why he/she lost and TRY to get better, that's it from my point of view, we are so keen on winning we forget that we're fight to also gain experience~_~ and the awesome thing about experience is that "its a school we can never graduate from" we keep on learning. Now, when a tournament is held, its likely to bring arguments,why? well Ill get to that, now why is a tournament held? I'll now give my points.
- To recognizance people in our RP with great skills and talent
- To make RPers to be better in fighting and what not>_>
- To encourage new RPers to strife to become better
Now, why are prices given? to commend RPer with great skill, an encourage them to "keep up the good work" but people are fight to win, which is wrong, and I stand to be corrected when I say this, and its because of the fact that people want to win that, argument sets in>>>people try to get OP customs accepted>>>befriend senseis/mods>>>which leads to unfairness(not directed at anybody).
I believe in a saying, and it has kept me going till today "pursue excellence and success will come" in other wards, success is a price given to those who achieve excellence. Become a better RPer and you'll be rewarded, it may take time, because there are people who deserve things they don't get, but it will definitely come.

Another thing I'll love to address is favoritism, this also contributes, but I'll not say much. I'll use myself for example, I started RP about late April to may '11 there aboutxd and since then I have tried to have fun as I get trained and fight battles, its over a year now and I haven't mastered an element~_~ don't get me wrong I'm not complaining>_> but here's another scenario, a RPer gets his bio approved, and due to favoritism or bugging senseis he masters basic five, and when fighting someone like me, and gets in a tight situation, he says to himself "I can't lose to this guy, he doesn't know much, there's a big difference in power, I've mastered B5 and he hasn't mastered anything" Really?O_O
I believe that a sensei teaches jutsus but also his experience with using them in real battle and what not, at least mine did, my very first element was lightning, scorps taught me after months of finding a sensei/sempai<_< though he was a sempai then, he taught me only D-ranks, but it was one of the best training session I had because he made sure I understood all the techniques and that I'm able to use them well and appropriately, and that's what I'm talking about. What I mean by this point is although you(sensei) have to teach students quickly so you'd get works of your back/make the person better, we shouldn't rush it-_-

Now as scorps said, the problem is not really the system, but the members, although what causes the ideology is the system it is not to be blamedU_U
That being said, I have to state the most important thing. Thank you Nagato, and everyone who contributed here^_^ and I look forward to the orange rule


Writing this, I don't to be offensive, neither do I have the intentions of indirectly attacking anyone, and might have written things that are not what I meant well because English is not my first language.

 

[Priest]

Nice thread and i'm sure it relays a huge message to Rpers. thanks for this.

 

[Zenryoku]

The dramatic irony of this is hilarious.

The main arguer complains about arguing. lulz. (Minato btw >_>)

Pointing to a specific person does not help the situation


Now for my general view on how the roleplay can be improved. The solution is not a completely new system as scorps has stated it took 3-4 years to get to the stage it is now granted we may have many flaws and such but it is a better one than what was previously with greater range of abilities, specialties , and characters. There have been attempts to alter our system of roleplay a few times which didnt go so well. The right and correct path is a collective co-operation of all members to get involved and begin working together with reducing the initial arguments, technicalities for wins, lust and wanting of oped techniques and a seemingly over reliance of customs and hording. They are good and bad the good point to them is the ability to customize characters and ones battle styles expanding the different strategies one can construct, however the hording of customs in particular with getting other peoples customs one can argue that this is degrading the uniqueness of individuality that people so long to create as many say they wanna be like the legends of the older Generations. Yet the key to becoming like them is to start becoming more understanding and less argumentative, stop trying to pick technicalities to win a match, admit self defeat , stop asking for oppinions of reputable people like sensei and mods then totally disregarding them if they go against you and throwing the bias oppinions and start giving some respect for other people. These are the qualities of a good roleplayer, skill and ability doesnt always make a good roleplayer, character is just as important.

Now for regard of the 10 Mods and seemingly not lots going on well that is as scorps pointed out it takes time for any change and movement they are newly appointed and are learning the ropes. More work is going on behind the scenes than what some may see infront of everyone but eventually we will get the things that need to be sorted done, we all have lives aswell so we have to balance that out for example me i have become less active because i have to put college and the work first i try my best to maintain activeness and develop the roleplay and provide more techniques and characters and abilities for the roleplay. The moaning of custom checks and ces and such should stop it takes alot of time to check them sure some things with regard to checking could be changed like say wrong chakra information or slight changes in descriptions or restrictions but at the same time its to help you identify where the mistakes are and to hope that you take extra care and learn them so you can apply to your customs to better imrpove the odds of customs being approved. Also take care to check customs making sure that your not also creating ideas already made it helps to save time and prevents dissapointment.

There is much more i can add but i atm will not provide more as my time is limited atm so i am getting some of my oppinion across regarding this matter. On a Personal note from reading through someone said about the roleplay doesnt have an affect on your real life well i have to beg to differ it has had an affect on my life, i have learnt a great deal more about all manner of things, it has helped me to develop interest in various concepts in particular what i am now becomming known for is Philosophy which can also transend into your roleplaying styles further development of taijutsu and kenjutsu and freeform can be better improved with realistic knowledge such as the human bodies functions and limitations there is so much that the roleplay can better your life with especially getting you to develop friendships and learn about new people and their oppinions and how they think and act. Now regarding roleplay in general just try to have fun and lessen the arguments and such it will help improve the roleplay in a great way and will be a step forward to the development and improvement of our roleplay.

 

[Itachi wa Kamidearu]

Nice thread OP.

Although I feel it won't change much...

 

[Zenryoku]

Nice thread OP.

Although I feel it won't change much...

Change will only come with people first changing themselves, we cannot expect change to happen unless we change ourselves to understand and accept other peoples oppinions and values and removing from thought personal oppinion because it clouds ones mind to the truth, being objective is the key and saying it wont change much is not the way forward you need to have believe and faith in something to help it change

 

[Priest]

Pointing to a specific person does not help the situation


Now for my general view on how the roleplay can be improved. The solution is not a completely new system as scorps has stated it took 3-4 years to get to the stage it is now granted we may have many flaws and such but it is a better one than what was previously with greater range of abilities, specialties , and characters. There have been attempts to alter our system of roleplay a few times which didnt go so well. The right and correct path is a collective co-operation of all members to get involved and begin working together with reducing the initial arguments, technicalities for wins, lust and wanting of oped techniques and a seemingly over reliance of customs and hording. They are good and bad the good point to them is the ability to customize characters and ones battle styles expanding the different strategies one can construct, however the hording of customs in particular with getting other peoples customs one can argue that this is degrading the uniqueness of individuality that people so long to create as many say they wanna be like the legends of the older Generations. Yet the key to becoming like them is to start becoming more understanding and less argumentative, stop trying to pick technicalities to win a match, admit self defeat , stop asking for oppinions of reputable people like sensei and mods then totally disregarding them if they go against you and throwing the bias oppinions and start giving some respect for other people. These are the qualities of a good roleplayer, skill and ability doesnt always make a good roleplayer, character is just as important.

Now for regard of the 10 Mods and seemingly not lots going on well that is as scorps pointed out it takes time for any change and movement they are newly appointed and are learning the ropes. More work is going on behind the scenes than what some may see infront of everyone but eventually we will get the things that need to be sorted done, we all have lives aswell so we have to balance that out for example me i have become less active because i have to put college and the work first i try my best to maintain activeness and develop the roleplay and provide more techniques and characters and abilities for the roleplay. The moaning of custom checks and ces and such should stop it takes alot of time to check them sure some things with regard to checking could be changed like say wrong chakra information or slight changes in descriptions or restrictions but at the same time its to help you identify where the mistakes are and to hope that you take extra care and learn them so you can apply to your customs to better imrpove the odds of customs being approved. Also take care to check customs making sure that your not also creating ideas already made it helps to save time and prevents dissapointment.

There is much more i can add but i atm will not provide more as my time is limited atm so i am getting some of my oppinion across regarding this matter. On a Personal note from reading through someone said about the roleplay doesnt have an affect on your real life well i have to beg to differ it has had an affect on my life, i have learnt a great deal more about all manner of things, it has helped me to develop interest in various concepts in particular what i am now becomming known for is Philosophy which can also transend into your roleplaying styles further development of taijutsu and kenjutsu and freeform can be better improved with realistic knowledge such as the human bodies functions and limitations there is so much that the roleplay can better your life with especially getting you to develop friendships and learn about new people and their oppinions and how they think and act. Now regarding roleplay in general just try to have fun and lessen the arguments and such it will help improve the roleplay in a great way and will be a step forward to the development and improvement of our roleplay.

talking of how NB have helped me. i read many threads, from discussions to Battle thread, fanfics, customs, tainings. Improved my writting skills which really helped me in writting my final thesis at school and i had an A.
Apart from that, i improved great with gfx, i teach my friends and also earn some cash with it while i was in school. So to hell with you gain nothing here. NB is the best. Lol

 

[Blizzàrd1]

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[Igneel]

*cough*

just thought I would give my humble opinion, the recent events in the ninja world showed me just how little respect there is for the opinions of senseis and rp mods, and honestly i think this orange rule should be implemented for the sake of the senseis, as it truly bothered me watching a member dismiss 5 senior senseis as wrong and biased, this more than anything was the reason for my desire to stop rp battling, as the fun is completely gone, highlighted by me losing patience with a certain newbie and throwing one of my most op techniques at him to get him to shut up and go away, which I admit wasnt exactly very nice of me.

But anyway, the point is, if the arguements arent stamped out soon, the rp will end up dying off, I honestly cant understand how its gotten so bad, back in 2010 when i sarted rping, I remember fighing kagutsuchi in a tournament final, a move of mine was judged as wrong, and I accepted it, (using this as an example as i was a newbie back then) sensei opinions were deemed as more than enough to call a fight one way or the other, hell, the battle arena rules themselves state that a sensei opinion is all that is needed, but like i said, these days you get members arguing against 5 senior senseis and an rp mod, which is just completely rediculous.

You really want to go there?If you remember experienced members supported my side of the argument.
Fun?you call using an Op technique to 1 move pwn me fun?
If you remember correctly,in the 1st fight we had mods and sensei's were supporting me and you called B.S and restarted the match.So you my friend are not fit to point his finger towards another saying he is taking away the fun in Rp.

 

[Vincent]

You really want to go there?If you remember experienced members supported my side of the argument.
Fun?you call using an Op technique to 1 move pwn me fun?
If you remember correctly,in the 1st fight we had mods and sensei's were supporting me and you called B.S and restarted the match.So you my friend are not fit to point his finger towards another saying he is taking away the fun in Rp.

*sigh* i restarted the match as i was made aware of an "unofficial" rule by a mod, and please read properly, I didnt say using the op shit was fun, i said i did it to shut you up, now please the issue already went far enough, kindly either learn to read what i say properly without jumping to conclusions, or just dont post, as you are spamming ^_^

 

[Igneel]

*sigh* i restarted the match as i was made aware of an "unofficial" rule by a mod, and please read properly, I didnt say using the op shit was fun, i said i did it to shut you up, now please the issue already went far enough, kindly either learn to read what i say properly without jumping to conclusions, or just dont post, as you are spamming ^_^



I read it properly,thank you very much.
I commented your post like that coz you mentioned "fun is completely gone".You are a cause to this,so am I.And just for the record,I'm not a newbie.As for the sensei/mod judgement part,I said so in my post coz you mentioned you respected sensei/mod opinion and yet you acted in controversial way in our fight.
So yeah,I'm not spamming.