sasuke would killed kakashi if sakura didn't arrive, BUT....

[HitmanSasuke23]

So you're basically saying that Sasuke is on Kakashis level in intelligence? Not sure which manga you're reading. He fought Itachi in multiple occasions but never saw that more you use MS, more you becomes blind:

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Kakashi encountered tsukuyomi just once, but quickly realised that. Itachi even acknowledge Kakashis high intelligence:

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First of all when did you see me say that Sasuke was on the same level as Kakashi what I said is that Sasuke does have intelligence...and if I'm not mistaken Kakashi even said that Sasuke has real battle experience now so that's saying something coming from the copy ninja

 

['Nāpalm]

could be

 

[Microsword57]

First of all when did you see me say that Sasuke was on the same level as Kakashi what I said is that Sasuke does have intelligence...and if I'm not mistaken Kakashi even said that Sasuke has real battle experience now so that's saying something coming from the copy ninja

Don't worry I was going through the same problems with bogard. If you give him striaght up manga proof all he does is pretend to misunderstand what your saying and argue against that. If you said something like Gaara's sand gets heavier when it's wet. Bogard would say "You think Gaara is useless if his sand is wet?" Then he will post 1 picture of gaara using sand with water in it like it had anything to do with what you said. I mean come on, he said Sasuke is known for his stupidity? When to many of the Ninja he would say is more intelligent found Sasuke to be a genius. I would easily find numerous pictures of this.

 

[Bogard]

Don't worry I was going through the same problems with bogard. If you give him striaght up manga proof all he does is pretend to misunderstand what your saying and argue against that. If you said something like Gaara's sand gets heavier when it's wet. Bogard would say "You think Gaara is useless if his sand is wet?" Then he will post 1 picture of gaara using sand with water in it like it had anything to do with what you said. I mean come on, he said Sasuke is known for his stupidity? When to many of the Ninja he would say is more intelligent found Sasuke to be a genius. I would easily find numerous pictures of this.

Wrong, i will never say such a thing since i'm one of those who think in the contrary that suiton is perfect counter for Gaaras sand. Even today i said something about it in another thread:

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[HitmanSasuke23]

Don't worry I was going through the same problems with bogard. If you give him striaght up manga proof all he does is pretend to misunderstand what your saying and argue against that. If you said something like Gaara's sand gets heavier when it's wet. Bogard would say "You think Gaara is useless if his sand is wet?" Then he will post 1 picture of gaara using sand with water in it like it had anything to do with what you said. I mean come on, he said Sasuke is known for his stupidity? When to many of the Ninja he would say is more intelligent found Sasuke to be a genius. I would easily find numerous pictures of this.

I know tell me about it lol...he's definitely an uchiha hater some people are just clueless

 

[Microsword57]

Wrong, i will never say such a thing since i'm one of those who think in the contrary that suiton is perfect counter for Gaaras sand. Even today i said something about it in another thread:

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Lmao you just proved my point... I was using that as an example.... just nevermind xD

 

[Tartarus]

So you're basically saying that Sasuke is on Kakashis level in intelligence? Not sure which manga you're reading. He fought Itachi in multiple occasions but never saw that more you use MS, more you becomes blind:

Sasuke never fought Itachi on multiple occasions, he got beaten on twice when he 7 and 13. This argument falls flat since Sasuke never had any serious fight with Itachi until that point.

Kakashi encountered tsukuyomi just once, but quickly realised that. Itachi even acknowledge Kakashis high intelligence:

once again you prove your dishonesty with facts. You conveniently left out the fact that Kakashi has MS himself, which is something Sasuke never had at that point. Kakashi simply had more information on MS. That example had nothing to do with Kakashi's deductive skills.

 

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

From some people logic, since Kakashi has Kamui, he can kill anyone?
Stop with the stupid argument '' Kakashi could have warped him, thus killed him ''. It's not as easy as you think and even if it was, your basically implying that he can warp anyone he wants which means he can kill anyone?
Cool story bro.

 

[Whalelord]

It's common knowledge that Kakashi is one of the best tactical fighter in this manga when Sasuke is more known for his stupidity

You mean like he did here?

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Databook give Sasuke 3.5 whereas Kakashi with 5 is probably the smartest character with Shikaku and Minato.
I don't know why you try to compare Kakashi's intel with Sasuke, Kakashi is out of his league about intel and tactic.

Funny you brought that up lets put kakashi and sasuke in the same situation guy


Deidara using katsu, kakashi though he warped deidara and the explosion to a the next dimension but all he did was warp a clay clone and immobilze his body unable to move for a week.

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Deidara uses katsu against sasuke , sasuke was smart enough to summon manda and use the summoning spacetime jutsu to relocate to another area.

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No Mangekyo Sharingan needed to be use for sasuke but for kakashi yes ,Out smarted with someone with the intelligence of 4.5 Deidara and Sasuke was able to out smart Deidara without the intent to kill him either and Sasuke Intelligence is a 3.5 in the databook.

 

[narutokage99]

Funny you brought that up lets put kakashi and sasuke in the same situation guy


Deidara using katsu, kakashi though he warped deidara and the explosion to a the next dimension but all he did was warp a clay clone and immobilze his body unable to move for a week.

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Deidara uses katsu against sasuke , sasuke was smart enough to summon manda and use the summoning spacetime jutsu to relocate to another area.

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No Mangekyo Sharingan needed to be use for sasuke but for kakashi yes ,Out smarted with someone with the intelligence of 4.5 Deidara and Sasuke was able to out smart Deidara without the intent to kill him either and Sasuke Intelligence is a 3.5 in the databook.

You should reread the Deidara arc, Kakashi warped the explosion to save team Gai and Neji .
They were very close to the explosion contrary to Kakashi.

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Kakashi didn't need kamui to dodge that explosion since he has doton to save himself like Deidara did it against his own explosion that erased the forest.If it was not for his teamates he didn't need kamui.

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[Jman1997]

Point me to a page where it directly says that Itachi and Kakashi are on the same level other than a freaking data book. Do what math? He failed against Zabuza trick badly the first time, he didn't fight Hiden or Kakuzu alone, and all the battle was thought out by Shikamaru. Deva path beat him so brutally that it's not even funny because of his errors in judgement. During his fight with Obito, he was only able to note the Kamui effects, because he knows how it works. I wouldn't call it an intelligent observation at all.

As far as Sasuke is concerned then he lead groups himself. Fought one on one with Deidara by figuring out his patterns alone, defeated Dazno by figuring out his technique alone, He flaked Orochimaru's skin off when he was still a freaking genin by figuring out his opponent's tactics, he figured out how Haku was using his kekki genkai and burnt a corner of his hakama. He understood Orochimaru's justu and struck him down cleverly. During his fight with A, he cleverly encased his sussano with enton and A had no choice but to go head on and lose an arm in the process. These don't count as genius feats to you?

Even considering all this, I still believe Kakashi is a extremely brilliant ninja. You on the other hand are just challenging the manga, and nothing more. Sasuke is a genius and manga says so. Give it up.

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[Whalelord]

You should reread the Deidara arc, Kakashi warped the explosion to save team Gai and Neji .
They were very close to the explosion contrary to Kakashi.

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Kakashi didn't need kamui to dodge that explosion since he has doton to save himself like Deidara did it against his own explosion that erased the forest.If it was not for his teamates he didn't need kamui.

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The real deidara was long gone the clone was used as a diversion like deidara stated himself, the kakashi we seen isn't a clone its the orginial he can't out run it he didnt have a clone set up to run .

 

[Mrmojo8484]

This thread fails. For one, Sasuke nearly went blind after using susanoo. No way an MS-less Sasuke can take kakashi. Secondly, please don't compare baby sasuke a feats to kakashis. Killer been nearly killed him twice, he got saved. Oonki nearly killed him....he got saved. Danzo wasn't going 100%...he had Tobi watching over him....he got saved.

So please, don't act like baby Sasuke fought everyone alone....because he didn't.

 

[Champ]

This is true the manga saved Kakashi by having Sasuke go blind. I don't know shy Sasuke didn't just light him up with Amaterasu, instead of using Susano'o

 

[shelke]

This thread fails. For one, Sasuke nearly went blind after using susanoo. No way an MS-less Sasuke can take kakashi. Secondly, please don't compare baby sasuke a feats to kakashis. Killer been nearly killed him twice, he got saved. Oonki nearly killed him....he got saved. Danzo wasn't going 100%...he had Tobi watching over him....he got saved.

So please, don't act like baby Sasuke fought everyone alone....because he didn't.

Please. Kakashi can never and will never be at the level of an Uchiha, because he can never master the sharingen that is their kekkei Genkai:

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. So it's true the other way around; Kakashi can never take on a fully healthy MS Sasuke. It's not even possible. To call Kakashi a master of Sharingen is only a far-fetched opinion. Manga says otherwise.

Sasuke's injurirs were very deep after his fight with Itachi, and he was no where near 100% when he fought Killer Bee, while Bee was at his 100%:

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. Even so, he managed to land a deadly hit on Bee. And if Karin had not slipped, Bee would've been dead from Amatersu flames, and Hachibi defeated.

Oonki would've killed him, but let's completely overlook the fact that he had the upper hand against A, and Gaara's couldn't being him down with three other ninjas:

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Tobi never interfered, and if it wasn't for the Sharingen, Danzo actually got killed how many times? And let's not forget that Kakashi has yet fight any major one-on-one battles. Haha This base is so ... anti-uchiha and pulls things out of their hind-quarters.

Funny you brought that up lets put kakashi and sasuke in the same situation guy

Deidara using katsu, kakashi though he warped deidara and the explosion to a the next dimension but all he did was warp a clay clone and immobilze his body unable to move for a week.

Deidara uses katsu against sasuke , sasuke was smart enough to summon manda and use the summoning spacetime jutsu to relocate to another area.

No Mangekyo Sharingan needed to be use for sasuke but for kakashi yes ,Out smarted with someone with the intelligence of 4.5 Deidara and Sasuke was able to out smart Deidara without the intent to kill him either and Sasuke Intelligence is a 3.5 in the databook.

Exactly my points. Data book means nothing in actual fights. A lot of things are put into consideration.

 

[3MESSIAH]

yeah he could end it right there....but not anymore....

 

[Hokage Fourth]

So what do you call when Sasuke fought Danzo and Deidara that took intelligence and tactics to defeat both of those guys...and besides who has Kakashi ever fought 1 on 1 besides Zabuza the second time after nearly dying the first time

He fought with one of the Seven swordsman of the mist and cut him in half... 1on1

 

[TurrinB]

Well in the state that Sasuke was in at the time he would have certainly lost to Kakashi. The guy had almost no stamina left.

 

[Οdin]

Kakashi could have used Kamui to chop his head off, but we can't have Sasuke dying, right? :|

 

[Whalelord]

The real deidara was long gone the clone was used as a diversion like deidara stated himself, the kakashi we seen isn't a clone its the orginial he can't out run it he didnt have a clone set up to run .

Atlleast sasuke got his ass whooped by a talented ninja who did kakashi get his ass beat by a fooder who almost chop off his arm before minato saved him, a fodder who almost crush him with a boulder if obito hadn't pushed him out the way, and a gang of fodder ninja knocked his ass out again and minato sensei to the rescue , that's why kakashi always fodderlising on fodders because that's as pro as he'll get :rofl: