Someone is lying (Tobi?)

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ok, tobi said he was madara, and idk if he really is or not but in this thread, that dont have much of importance

what have importance here is that

Itachi told one story to sasuke
Madara/tobi told one version to sasuke

this both histories were theyr versions of uchiha clan, and madara/tobi, said he founded akatsuki

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then, in chapter 346, pein says HE founded akatsuki so..

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who's lying? probably tobi/madara because itachi said he talked to madara and probably he talked about sasuke and why he wanted to protect him, thats why tobi or madara says this

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''Remember your kind big brother''. for tobi or madara to know this is because he knew that itachi liked sasuke and was worried about him, and how did he know that? because itachi talked to him!!

i said this because pein said he founded akatsuki, but tobi (assumed as madara) said that he created akatsuki so one of them is lying.. and since tobi (assumed as madaara) is lying to sasuke, maybe hes lying about the foubdation or akatsuki..

our options:

Itachi lyed to sasuke
Tobi(assumed as madara) lyed to sasuke
Tobi (assumed as madara) lyed about the foundation of akatsuki
Pein lyed aout the creation of konoha (and i dont see any reasons to lye)
Tobi, once was madara and created akatsuki with nagato(pein) and since madara ''died'' pein now said he founded akatsuki and now madara came back as Tobi. i think they created akatsuki together because Tobi is the TRUE leader (he gives orders to pein and acts in teh shadows) and pein gives the orders to the rest of akatsuki, and since they dont know tobi is the leader is because pein has fear from tobi? this is supported because of this thread:



I want your opinions:p
and sorry for the spelling

sorry if this has been discussed, i just remembered and posted.
 
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Pein could've said that he created Akatsuki to further hide Tobi??
thats what i believe. because noone except tobi konan pain itachi and NOW kisame even knew madara was alive much less in charge... none of the members new but those 4 (tobi konan pein itachi) but now like almost all the members are dead so no point in telling them now lawl...

madara is still very much hidden to konoha only jirarya suspected madara was alive and now hes dead... madaras identidy needs to remain secret to konoha and any other enemys of akatsuki
 

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Pain says hes a founder/leader to everyone , because Tobi is hiding .

You think Pain /Nagato would just say : "Hello , I'm Pain , I'm not the leader . leader is Madara "
 

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lol tobi would b like saskue i am ur father
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but none the less i think pain is protecting tobi even though they don't like him (pain & konan)
Tobi even question pains bility
maybe they created the akatsuki.. idk.. i just know that Tobi is the leader of akatsuki and itachi said that madara created akatsuki so tobi must be madara?
 
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madara/tobi isnt the only person who said he created akatsuki, itachi told sasuke that madara founded akatsuki and then hid in its shadow, so pain was probably recognized as the original founder, but both pain, madara, and itachi all knew that madara founded it, and now kisame and sasuke know
 

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madara/tobi isnt the only person who said he created akatsuki, itachi told sasuke that madara founded akatsuki and then hid in its shadow, so pain was probably recognized as the original founder, but both pain, madara, and itachi all knew that madara founded it, and now kisame and sasuke know
maybe. i wanna know who is tobi
 

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madara/tobi isnt the only person who said he created akatsuki, itachi told sasuke that madara founded akatsuki and then hid in its shadow, so pain was probably recognized as the original founder, but both pain, madara, and itachi all knew that madara founded it, and now kisame and sasuke know
don't forget about zetsu
 
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