TobisPawn's top ten, with some debatable points.

[TobisPawn]

Here goes. I'll stop at each controversial part and talk about why I'm having issues with it. And yeah, I haven't been too active here lately.

1. Kabuto

Edo Army. Nothing more needs to be said.

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2. Obito
3. Hashirama
4. Madara

This is where I'm having issues. Madara's straight up said that Hashirama can beat him, but those Edo additions make it a close call. But I've gotta go with Madara's judgement here. As for Obito: Kabuto did indeed say that Hashirama is stronger than anyone alive, and Madara and Hashirama can indeed rewrite maps (technically, Obito can too with multiple Bijuu Dama), but it's been made clear in the manga multiple times that big attacks and raw power is not enough to beat him. You need a "special set of skills" (Minato Namikaze) to beat him, and the fact that BM Naruto, BM Killer Bee, Kakashi, and Guy only managed a scratch with said special skills solidifies it for me that raw power (Hashirama and Madara) isn't beating Obito. That, and Minato's straight up said that he can confirm that Naruto will be the one to defeat Obito along with Kurama, who reaffirmed this just a couple chapters ago. Yet Naruto's now engaging with Madara, meaning that he has yet to defeat Obito with probably a power higher than the one he's using against Madara. And he's still not anywhere near that, as we evidently saw. I'm taking into overall ability to beat others below into account on this top ten, and raw powerhouses (landscape changers) don't have anything special, from what we've seen, that puts them apart, along with FTG and Kakashi's Kamui, against Obito's Kamui. My opinion on this can easily change in the upcoming 10-20 chapters, though, depending on how the war continues from here.

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5. Nagato
6. Naruto/Sasuke
7. Sasuke/Naruto

At this point, neither Naruto nor Sasuke have the moves to put down Nagato, who can sense and absorb basically all of there attacks. And he's mastered the Rinnegan, something that puts him above these two. But he's not quite with Obito, Hashirama, and Madara, as they've all exceeded him in DC overall. And yes, Naruto and Sasuke are even. Kishi himself said that they develop at even paces, so neither is getting left in the dust. At this point, Sasuke's probably even with Naruto without Perfect Susanoo, as he'll probably get it later when Naruto gets the power that'll allow him to finally defeat Obito. And no, Naruto's not soloing the Uchiha brothers.

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8. Minato
9. Itachi

Oh boy. Massive shitstorm incoming. I placed Minato above Itachi!!! But by an extremely slim margin. I honestly don't want to go around, digging for both of their individual hype and portrayal by Kishi. Nor do I want to get in a lolfeats debate, when Kishi's made it implicitly clear that Minato's definitely a genius, and a great Ninja. I'm not gonna talk about how he individually counters Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, etc. when Kishi's hype allows me to ignore a conventional feats debate. Itachi's hype is amazing too, but he's behind Minato by a slim margin, as Minato's basically been portrayed as perfect whereas Itachi's been portrayed as near-perfect, but not quite there. Again, there's an extremely slim margin between the two. Don't cause an unnecessary shitstorm.

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10. Mu

Eh, I don't really know/care who goes here. Onoki and Sandaime Raikage are also potential candidates here. And, by hype, Nidaime Mizukage. But Mu's impressed me here, so I'll go with him. Heh, notice the difference between the number ten spot and the numbers 1-3. Pretty big. Alright, I'm getting off topic.

Aaaaand yeah. Don't cause unnecessary shitstorms.​

 

[Legendary Broly]

idk <.<
R.E.P.+ for effort I would change a few people here and there xd
otherwise good work xd

 

[Innjin]

Kabuto!!?? bahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

 

[TobisPawn]

Kabuto!!?? bahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Who's soloing Edo Madara, Nagato, Itachi, Kakuzu, Kisame, Kimimaro, Deidara, Sasori, etc.?

 

[Naruto9001]

Here goes. I'll stop at each controversial part and talk about why I'm having issues with it. And yeah, I haven't been too active here lately.

1. Kabuto

Edo Army. Nothing more needs to be said.

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2. Obito
3. Hashirama
4. Madara

This is where I'm having issues. Madara's straight up said that Hashirama can beat him, but those Edo additions make it a close call. But I've gotta go with Madara's judgement here. As for Obito: Kabuto did indeed say that Hashirama is stronger than anyone alive, and Madara and Hashirama can indeed rewrite maps (technically, Obito can too with multiple Bijuu Dama), but it's been made clear in the manga multiple times that big attacks and raw power is not enough to beat him. You need a "special set of skills" (Minato Namikaze) to beat him, and the fact that BM Naruto, BM Killer Bee, Kakashi, and Guy only managed a scratch with said special skills solidifies it for me that raw power (Hashirama and Madara) isn't beating Obito. That, and Minato's straight up said that he can confirm that Naruto will be the one to defeat Obito along with Kurama, who reaffirmed this just a couple chapters ago. Yet Naruto's now engaging with Madara, meaning that he has yet to defeat Obito with probably a power higher than the one he's using against Madara. And he's still not anywhere near that, as we evidently saw. I'm taking into overall ability to beat others below into account on this top ten, and raw powerhouses (landscape changers) don't have anything special, from what we've seen, that puts them apart, along with FTG and Kakashi's Kamui, against Obito's Kamui. My opinion on this can easily change in the upcoming 10-20 chapters, though, depending on how the war continues from here.

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5. Nagato
6. Naruto/Sasuke
7. Sasuke/Naruto

At this point, neither Naruto nor Sasuke have the moves to put down Nagato, who can sense and absorb basically all of there attacks. And he's mastered the Rinnegan, something that puts him above these two. But he's not quite with Obito, Hashirama, and Madara, as they've all exceeded him in DC overall. And yes, Naruto and Sasuke are even. Kishi himself said that they develop at even paces, so neither is getting left in the dust. At this point, Sasuke's probably even with Naruto without Perfect Susanoo, as he'll probably get it later when Naruto gets the power that'll allow him to finally defeat Obito. And no, Naruto's not soloing the Uchiha brothers.

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8. Minato
9. Itachi

Oh boy. Massive shitstorm incoming. I placed Minato above Itachi!!! But by an extremely slim margin. I honestly don't want to go around, digging for both of their individual hype and portrayal by Kishi. Nor do I want to get in a lolfeats debate, when Kishi's made it implicitly clear that Minato's definitely a genius, and a great Ninja. I'm not gonna talk about how he individually counters Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, etc. when Kishi's hype allows me to ignore a conventional feats debate. Itachi's hype is amazing too, but he's behind Minato by a slim margin, as Minato's basically been portrayed as perfect whereas Itachi's been portrayed as near-perfect, but not quite there. Again, there's an extremely slim margin between the two. Don't cause an unnecessary shitstorm.

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10. Mu

Eh, I don't really know/care who goes here. Onoki and Sandaime Raikage are also potential candidates here. And, by hype, Nidaime Mizukage. But Mu's impressed me here, so I'll go with him. Heh, notice the difference between the number ten spot and the numbers 1-3. Pretty big. Alright, I'm getting off topic.

Aaaaand yeah. Don't cause unnecessary shitstorms.​

List was good until you said Naruto and Sasuke are equal. Naruto's clone shits on Sasuke the only people who think otherwise are Sasuke fanboys it's a manga fact. Also how does Hashirama beat Naruto or Nagato both of them have very impressive feats all you got is hype Hashirama needed Mito to bail him out to beat EMS Madara with Kyubi so EMS Madara should be above Hashirama as well since without Mito he would have most likely lost. Where's Orochimaru with edo tensei he can also beat Hashirama. The uchiha bros aren't beating Mu he has flight to evade Amaterasu and Jinton to destroy Susanno his got the perfect counters to beat them with.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Damn near perfect I'd say. I don't like Minato being above Itachi, but I'll respectably obey your wish for us not to start a shitstorm.
Edit: Lol I failed so bad with my grammar, my bad. I'm tired.

 

[TobisPawn]

List was good until you said Naruto and Sasuke are equal. Naruto's clone shits on Sasuke the only people who think otherwise are Sasuke fanboys it's a manga fact. Also how does Hashirama beat Naruto or Nagato both of them have very impressive feats all you got is hype Hashirama needed Mito to bail him out to beat EMS Madara with Kyubi so EMS Madara should be above Hashirama as well since without Mito he would have most likely lost. Where's Orochimaru with edo tensei he can also beat Hashirama. The uchiha bros aren't beating Mu he has flight to evade Amaterasu and Jinton to destroy Susanno his got the perfect counters to beat them with.

If you honestly think that one of Naruto's clones is shitting on Sasuke, claimed to be Naruto's equal by Kishi himself, you're reading the manga wrong. Same goes with you thinking Madara > Hashirama when Madara clearly said otherwise.

Damn near perfect I'd say. I don't like Minato being above Itachi, but I'll respectable obey you wish for us not to start a shitstorm

Thanks.

 

[TheAwesomeOne]

Who's soloing Edo Madara, Nagato, Itachi, Kakuzu, Kisame, Kimimaro, Deidara, Sasori, etc.?

Kabuto doesn't have Madara, Itachi, Nagato, Sasori, or anyone else that's been sealed under control anymore, so he can only Edo fodders so there's no point in the Edo Tensei.

 

[A Shell Of My Former Self]

Who's soloing Edo Madara, Nagato, Itachi, Kakuzu, Kisame, Kimimaro, Deidara, Sasori, etc.?

Obito solo's.

 

[Memoria]

Good list and explanation. ***** for the effort
Anyway, it's your opinion and some people will disagree with you, but it's nevertheless your opinion.

 

[End of Days]

good list, but i must agree that kabuto should be removed and perhaps hiruzen/jiraiya/orochimaru/tobirama can be brought in this list (at the bottom)

 

[~Puppet Master~]

I'd put Ohnoki instead of Muu, since he's had a lot more battle experience, that's what counts.
The rest of the list is good

 

[TobisPawn]

Kabuto doesn't have Madara, Itachi, Nagato, Sasori, or anyone else that's been sealed under control anymore, so he can only Edo fodders so there's no point in the Edo Tensei.

If you want to play that way, Hashirama's a big pile of dust right now, so he can't fight!!!

 

[Champ]

Madara should be above Hashirama, he lost to him when he had EMS but he awaken the Rinnegan later. I don't believe Hashirama could beat any Rinnegan user.

 

[Noobastank]

Ehhhh yeah but thats the past really if you ask me. kabuto is kinda out right now. but yeah pre war.
1.Kabuto
2.obito
3 hashirama
4 madara

Now thats all changed. Orochimaru is back in the picture, Madara is back. hashirama is not so he is irrelevant imo.

Imo its

1.Madara
2.Obito
3.Naruto/Sasuke
but that only my perception i guess.

but now its about different if i had to say so now

 

[Scryed]

For the most part, I agree with your list.

Though Sasuke being Naruto's equal could be right or wrong. It'll get to the point in which they'll be equal but for now, I would still have Naruto over Sasuke due to Sasuke's lack of feats with EMS. It could be that with EMS alone he's at Naruto's level or perhaps there's still another upgrade waiting for him that will make him Naruto's equal.

Based on feats, I would also say that Edo Madara would be above Hashirama but unfortunately, Madara's statement about Hashi practically hyped him to unimaginable levels. Basically saying that Hashirama>himself. Though I believe that was because Hashirama's specific arsenal was the perfect counter against Madara. Which leads me to believe that he had other techniques that Madara didn't gain through his cells that would still put him above Madara.

As for Obito, Madara might have an appropiate counter due to his ability to make Mokuton clones. Though TBB would be in Obito's arsenal through the jins, a few Mokuton clones could absorb it while others focus on the offense. If Madara or a clone gets warped to Kamui's dimension then that could work as an advantage over Obito. Since Madara or the clone would be able to attack Obito within the dimension while Obito's being attacked in the actual battlefield.

By this, I mean it would create the same scenario in which allowed Naruto to use Rasengan on Obito's mask. But instead of Kakashi warping Madara away, it would be Obito IF he resorts to warping Madara while other clones are already in the battlefield. So Obito has a risk warping Madara or his clones to his dimension while others are still out in the main battlefield.

Though if the real Madara is the one who gets warped, it'll probably be a stalemate if he manages to defeat Obito since he himself will practically be stuck in that dimension.

Or if Obito warps Madara before he makes Mokuton clones. Since every clone Madara will make afterwards will still be in Obito's dimension along with himself with no way out.

This is assuming 1v1.

 

[BloodSeed]

Here goes. I'll stop at each controversial part and talk about why I'm having issues with it. And yeah, I haven't been too active here lately.

1. Kabuto

Edo Army. Nothing more needs to be said.

--

2. Obito
3. Hashirama
4. Madara

This is where I'm having issues. Madara's straight up said that Hashirama can beat him, but those Edo additions make it a close call. But I've gotta go with Madara's judgement here. As for Obito: Kabuto did indeed say that Hashirama is stronger than anyone alive, and Madara and Hashirama can indeed rewrite maps (technically, Obito can too with multiple Bijuu Dama), but it's been made clear in the manga multiple times that big attacks and raw power is not enough to beat him. You need a "special set of skills" (Minato Namikaze) to beat him, and the fact that BM Naruto, BM Killer Bee, Kakashi, and Guy only managed a scratch with said special skills solidifies it for me that raw power (Hashirama and Madara) isn't beating Obito. That, and Minato's straight up said that he can confirm that Naruto will be the one to defeat Obito along with Kurama, who reaffirmed this just a couple chapters ago. Yet Naruto's now engaging with Madara, meaning that he has yet to defeat Obito with probably a power higher than the one he's using against Madara. And he's still not anywhere near that, as we evidently saw. I'm taking into overall ability to beat others below into account on this top ten, and raw powerhouses (landscape changers) don't have anything special, from what we've seen, that puts them apart, along with FTG and Kakashi's Kamui, against Obito's Kamui. My opinion on this can easily change in the upcoming 10-20 chapters, though, depending on how the war continues from here.

--

5. Nagato
6. Naruto/Sasuke
7. Sasuke/Naruto

At this point, neither Naruto nor Sasuke have the moves to put down Nagato, who can sense and absorb basically all of there attacks. And he's mastered the Rinnegan, something that puts him above these two. But he's not quite with Obito, Hashirama, and Madara, as they've all exceeded him in DC overall. And yes, Naruto and Sasuke are even. Kishi himself said that they develop at even paces, so neither is getting left in the dust. At this point, Sasuke's probably even with Naruto without Perfect Susanoo, as he'll probably get it later when Naruto gets the power that'll allow him to finally defeat Obito. And no, Naruto's not soloing the Uchiha brothers.

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8. Minato
9. Itachi

Oh boy. Massive shitstorm incoming. I placed Minato above Itachi!!! But by an extremely slim margin. I honestly don't want to go around, digging for both of their individual hype and portrayal by Kishi. Nor do I want to get in a lolfeats debate, when Kishi's made it implicitly clear that Minato's definitely a genius, and a great Ninja. I'm not gonna talk about how he individually counters Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, etc. when Kishi's hype allows me to ignore a conventional feats debate. Itachi's hype is amazing too, but he's behind Minato by a slim margin, as Minato's basically been portrayed as perfect whereas Itachi's been portrayed as near-perfect, but not quite there. Again, there's an extremely slim margin between the two. Don't cause an unnecessary shitstorm.

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10. Mu

Eh, I don't really know/care who goes here. Onoki and Sandaime Raikage are also potential candidates here. And, by hype, Nidaime Mizukage. But Mu's impressed me here, so I'll go with him. Heh, notice the difference between the number ten spot and the numbers 1-3. Pretty big. Alright, I'm getting off topic.

Aaaaand yeah. Don't cause unnecessary shitstorms.​

madara>kabuto

 

[Minator93]

I agree with the most of it. But there are some points that I'd like to say.

I believe that Edo Madara is above Hashirama. I know Madara said that only Hashirama can stop him and Hashirama was clearly above EMS Madara, however Edo Madara has INFINITE CHAKRA + RINNEGAN + WS that wasn't there in his fight with Hashirama, Granted he had Kurama back then but I believe INFINITE CHAKRA + RINNEGAN + WS >> KURAMA.

Also EMS Sasuke is no way an equal of BM Naruto [At this moment in Manga]. Naruto's feats put him way above Sasuke. I mean yeah I know they have to equals in their final battle but Sasuke needs Both Rinnegan + PSS to compete against BM Naruto.

Muu and Itachi are debatable as well Bogard had made good posts about it. Personally I think Muu with his sensing abilities and invisibility and a Jinton > Onnoki's should be above Itachi, but that's just me.

Otherwise your list is solid!

 

[Nazgul]

Madara (Kabuto)
Hashirama
Obito
Nagato
Naruto
Itachi
Minato
Sasuke
Bee
Muu

This is my list, I don't include prime Hiruzen.

 

[Simple Math]

madara>kabuto

36 edos > madara