obito versus itachi

[RikudoKami]

S/T plus Human Path is a force to be reckoned with.

 

[RikudoKami]

People underrate the Rinnegan more than anything.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

First of all Totsuka is useless cause Tobi can turn intangible to evade it.

Second of all unless your Minato (FTG) and you get caught by Tobi..instant or not you will be warped.

Proven wrong with Manga facts that Susanoo is activated within a thousandth of a second, and can be used as means of escape from Obito. You switched up this fail logic, pretty quickly.

Itachi activated Ribcage Susanoo that fast not Full Susanoo so I don't know why you are mentioning Totsuka.

And Obito has Rinnegan..so he can simply rip his soul once he touches him.

Assumption that Itachi only summoned rib cage susanoo. No proof to back this up.

Why would I be arguing about Sharingan Tobi...the thread is about Rinnegan Tobi. I've already argued Sharingan Tobi elsewhere and I don't feel like doing it again, but I will say this..

Kirin can't destroy Full Susanoo since it has Yata's Mirror.

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<---There is your proof.

Besides Obito can let Itachi wear himself out since Itachi can't counter Kamui.

Why don't you tell me how Itachi wins..

EDIT: I Meant Incomplete Susanoo not ribcage Susanoo.

Fail logic, "Obito will let Itachi wear him self out" I've told you how Itachi wins multiple times, you attempt to counter with assumptions.

You are relying on the fact that Tobi will try warp Itachi carelessly, Tobi has knowledge on all of Itachi's jutsu..or at least most of them. You have no real argument for how Itachi beats him.

You're relying the pathetic fact that "Tobi will wear Itachi out" What irony. Has no real argument for how Tobi defeats Itachi. Irony again.

Even if he stops him from warping him then...how will he defeat him?

You said that it should take Itachi 3 seconds but you said previously that Tobi warped Danzo's goons in 2-3 seconds, so Itachi would be sucked in before Full Susanoo ever comes out so he will have to opt for manifesting the Incomplete Susanoo, but if he doesn't that he can't hurt Tobi.

Get ready for the contradiction @ Bold

Tobi can't touch him through Susanoo so he will be repelled before Full Susanoo comes out thus your scenario doesn't work.

Your argument is so flawed..all you are saying is that Itachi will activate Susanoo to instantly send Totsuka through Tobi's body while he warps him...so where's that thread your supposed to make?

This is how Tobi wins:
Itachi can't hit him so he can't beat him.

If Itachi doesn't protect himself with Susanoo he will get warped as he has no other way to fight Tobi.

"This is how Tobi wins"
"Itachi can't hit him so he can't beat him"
Awesome logic, so how exactly does Tobi beat him then? Never gave even close to sufficient proof to how Tobi beats Itachi, meanwhile i have supplied proof from the Manga how he can land a hit on Tobi.

Getting agitated there huh?

YOU said that he will warp Itachi, then Itachi activates Susanoo.

He can't activate Full Susanoo in 1/1000th second, that was Incomplete Susanoo that's why the Incomplete one is what we see when Itachi gets up.

Since he can't activate it that fast YOU said that he can activate Full Susanoo in 3 seconds and stab Tobi with Totsuka.

The moment the Susanoo starts forming the warp will be canceled because Tobi can't hold him through Susanoo.
He has to be HOLDING or TOUCHING someone to warp them.

Get it now? Cause it's pretty annoying explaining this to you.

And the contradiction. According by your previous failed logic, Itachi will be warped by Tobi if he doesn't activate full susanoo within 3 seconds.
Next fail logic states the moment a piece of susanoo appears, Tobis warp will be cancelled.

And I gave you proof: Tobi needs to grab someone to warp them..if he can't grasp them he can't warp them, simple as that.

He can't grasp Itachi through Susanoo thus he can't warp him.

"wtf" "kid" Yes I think you are getting agitated.

Proved wrong with facts, when Forune was warped without a single touch by Tobi.

I saw it, looks like he did suck him in with no contact....

Nonetheless your scenario is still flawed, even if Itachi manages to get Full Susanoo out before Tobi is done sucking him in he can simply stop absorbing him and then switch to intangible mode, he did the same against Konan when she shot Paper Bombs at him.

And in case your wondering he will have enough time since Totsuka originates from a gourd and the gourd has to be opened to release the blade..giving Obito enough time turn intangible rendering Totsuka useless.

You ignore manga facts that it takes an instant to activate susanoo, and assumes Itachi can only activate rib cage susanoo in that time. No proof to back this assumption up.
Assumes that Itachi must first open the guard to release Totsuka. This is stalemated due to both our assumptions saying it can and cannot, with no proof to back neither assumption up.
But i gave you it anyways, for your sake.

A punch won't kill him...especially since he survived a Rasengan from Minato....and his body is made up of Zetsu goo.

And he can always use Izanagi.

Manga proof that a punch from Susanoo was fatal towards Danzou and needed to use Izanagi to escape.
You assume that Tobi is much more durable then Danzou with no proof to back up your assumption, once again.
You assume Tobi can activate Izanagi within a split second to escape a blow from Susanoo. I stated that he doesnt have the reaction speed to do so, because he would of done the same to escape Minatos rasengan, a manga fact. Your Proof? Didn't think so.

He most likely didn't know it when he fought Minato cause he definitely would have had time to activate it before they clashed.

Tobi's durability is also far greater than Danzo's

Itachi's Susanoo still has to take out the Yasaka's Magatama to fire them , which gives Tobi enough time to use Kamui and then intangible.

You assume Obito didn't know Izanagi at the time, even though he could control the Kyuubi. Proof from the manga that he has advanced use of his Sharingan.
Also you assumes that if he had Izanagi he would of gotten to activate it in time, which is false. If he had the reaction speed to activate Izanagi, he would have the same reaction speed to become Intangible to avoid Minatos attack, which we all know he did not.

so much fail in one post...

He has to manifest them and then throw them he is not doing that before Tobi can turn intangible no matter what messed up logic you want to use.

He controlled Yagura After he fought Minato and if he had he would have used it simple as that.

If Danzo got hit by a Rasengan of that size he would be dead.

Itach can't hit Tobi and you have given me no reason to believe otherwise..when you have a good argument then maybe I'll change my mind until then Tobi > Itachi.

You assume that something that is manifested instantly and thrown very short range (Because Obito needs to be near Itachi to warp him) isn't fast enough, because Obito has a reaction speed faster then split second which i already proved was wrong.

You assume that Minatos rasengan would of taken out Danzou with no proof to gaurentee that is true.


It has mainly been my facts from the manga vs your assumptions.
Manga > You.

You have done nothing but switch up your logic, contradicted yourself, and make nothing but assumptions.

It also very ironic of you to be telling me when i have a good argument maybe you'll change your mind. Doesn't matter to me anyways.
You're a joke. I have already noted you as someone not to take serious when reading your posts.

Responding to any more of your fail logic or assumptions would be a waist of my free posts, and i will not grace you any longer with a response. Unless you bring proved manga facts, don't bother.

 

[OrenMoodley]

Good grief guys this shouldnt even be an argument

Jiraya > Itachi = Pain killed Jiraya
Pain = Itachi
Naruto > Pain
Obito vs Kyubi Naruto, Kakashi and Gai??????? and they still cant beat him

hence Obito > Itachi period

Itachi is dead for crying out loud, itachi struggled fighting sasuke, itachi struggle against kubuto.

theres no way in hell itachi can beat obito, ffs Madara trained Obito. too many itachi fan boys trying to argue against the obvious

 

[KidGamer65]

Proven wrong with Manga facts that Susanoo is activated within a thousandth of a second, and can be used as means of escape from Obito. You switched up this fail logic, pretty quickly.

He can escape genius but he can't kill him try again.

Assumption that Itachi only summoned rib cage susanoo. No proof to back this up.

You sound dumb....if you're going to ignore the scan go ahead.....the Susanoo the appears when Itachi gets up is the Incomplete Susanoo whether you like it or not.

Fail logic, "Obito will let Itachi wear him self out" I've told you how Itachi wins multiple times, you attempt to counter with assumptions.

No you haven't you give BS replies like "he'll hit him with Totsuka when he activates Susanoo" that is dumbest argument I've heard..what a joke.

You're relying the pathetic fact that "Tobi will wear Itachi out" What irony. Has no real argument for how Tobi defeats Itachi. Irony again.

Says the guy who has no argument for Itachi.

Get ready for the contradiction @ Bold



"This is how Tobi wins"
"Itachi can't hit him so he can't beat him"
Awesome logic, so how exactly does Tobi beat him then? Never gave even close to sufficient proof to how Tobi beats Itachi, meanwhile i have supplied proof from the Manga how he can land a hit on Tobi.

Itachi can't win so Tobi outlasts him it is as simple as that...and you didn't supply manga proof, you are relying on BS.

And the contradiction. According by your previous failed logic, Itachi will be warped by Tobi if he doesn't activate full susanoo within 3 seconds.
Next fail logic states the moment a piece of susanoo appears, Tobis warp will be cancelled.

It's funny how you are repeating yourself...mainly cause you have no argument.

Proved wrong with facts, when Forune was warped without a single touch by Tobi.

Ok...

You ignore manga facts that it takes an instant to activate susanoo, and assumes Itachi can only activate rib cage susanoo in that time. No proof to back this assumption up.
Assumes that Itachi must first open the guard to release Totsuka. This is stalemated due to both our assumptions saying it can and cannot, with no proof to back neither assumption up.
But i gave you it anyways, for your sake.

Like I said Incomplete Susanoo is the Susanoo that appeared when Itachi got up...you assume that it was Complete Susanoo that blocked Kirin to benefit your shit argument.

Manga proof that a punch from Susanoo was fatal towards Danzou and needed to use Izanagi to escape.
You assume that Tobi is much more durable then Danzou with no proof to back up your assumption, once again.
You assume Tobi can activate Izanagi within a split second to escape a blow from Susanoo. I stated that he doesnt have the reaction speed to do so, because he would of done the same to escape Minatos rasengan, a manga fact. Your Proof? Didn't think so.

You aren't the sharpest shed in the tool are you? You assume he doesn't have the reaction time to do so...Susanoo's blow won't hit him in "split second" you assume it will go that fast for your shit argument.

You assume Obito didn't know Izanagi at the time, even though he could control the Kyuubi. Proof from the manga that he has advanced use of his Sharingan.
Also you assumes that if he had Izanagi he would of gotten to activate it in time, which is false. If he had the reaction speed to activate Izanagi, he would have the same reaction speed to become Intangible to avoid Minatos attack, which we all know he did not.

Proof he knew it back then?

You assume that something that is manifested instantly and thrown very short range (Because Obito needs to be near Itachi to warp him) isn't fast enough, because Obito has a reaction speed faster then split second which i already proved was wrong.

Again stop wanking Susanoo....that attack won't hit him in a split second.
You assume that Minatos rasengan would of taken out Danzou with no proof to gaurentee that is true.

It has mainly been my facts from the manga vs your assumptions.
Manga > You.
You have done nothing but switch up your logic, contradicted yourself, and make nothing but assumptions.

No it's been mainly you spouting BS the whole "debate"

It also very ironic of you to be telling me when i have a good argument maybe you'll change your mind. Doesn't matter to me anyways.
You're a joke. I have already noted you as someone not to take serious when reading your posts.

Responding to any more of your fail logic or assumptions would be a waist of my free posts, and i will not grace you any longer with a response. Unless you bring proved manga facts, don't bother.

Anyway..your just like the rest of those fail Itachi fans I debated with in the other thread....your responses don't mean shit to me since you couldn't debate even if your life depended on it.

All your crap about Susanoo relies on the fact that he activated Full Susanoo in a 1/1000 which is not true...since that is false your WHOLE argument crumbles right there.

Proof he activated Full Susanoo cause manga shows that he didn't.

Logic>Your fanboy BS

 

[jorgelius]

goddamn i just don't get multiquote to work.

i read those piles of post both seems forgotten thread rules.. they know nothing of each other and obito have rinnegan here..

you talked lot about can tobi just warp itachi or not, when tobi was warping minato, seems like he couldn't do much *stab tobi, move his arms etc* he jumped to other place, similar option is open to itachi too, eye tech's either susanoo which would repel obito coz he need to solidify when absorbing and susanoo expanding , other option is amaterasu while being warped, as i said they know nothing of each other that amaterasu very possibly be direct hit. at that range

so itachi have valid counter (lot's of them) to kamui, infact while itachi use susano'o it's obito who doesn't have jack against itachi.. what we seen from obito bakufuu ranbu, cool katon but just not enough

there hasn't been much post about obito rinnegan and how to utilize that, facts: he have one seems like it's good eye what comes to fuuin jutsus to controll beast but can i assume he doesn't have shinra tensei just because he hasn't used them? his paths were alive and utilized their own chakra so why they didn't use them ?? other fact is that eye was from nagato who could use shinra tensei, like anyone who take's itachi right eye can use amaterasu do same work with rinnegan? he have one eye, maybe he jus't can't use them,

there is lot more to obito what i like to believe, he is said to be truly immortal, he might have shinra tensei,

 

[KidGamer65]

goddamn i just don't get multiquote to work.

i read those piles of post both seems forgotten thread rules.. they know nothing of each other and obito have rinnegan here..

I didn't forget....the guy I was arguing with decided to go off-topic..I told him to make a separate thread but he never did, my bad though.

you talked lot about can tobi just warp itachi or not, when tobi was warping minato, seems like he couldn't do much *stab tobi, move his arms etc* he jumped to other place, similar option is open to itachi too, eye tech's either susanoo which would repel obito coz he need to solidify when absorbing and susanoo expanding , other option is amaterasu while being warped, as i said they know nothing of each other that amaterasu very possibly be direct hit. at that range

While they have no knowledge on each other they still have knowledge on the jutsu themselves..and Tobi already countered Amaterasu when it came out of Sasuke's eye, or he could just warp Itachi from behind.

so itachi have valid counter (lot's of them) to kamui, infact while itachi use susano'o it's obito who doesn't have jack against itachi.. what we seen from obito bakufuu ranbu, cool katon but just not enough

Itachi can't hit Tobi so if he stays in Susanoo he will outlast him.

there hasn't been much post about obito rinnegan and how to utilize that, facts: he have one seems like it's good eye what comes to fuuin jutsus to controll beast but can i assume he doesn't have shinra tensei just because he hasn't used them? his paths were alive and utilized their own chakra so why they didn't use them ?? other fact is that eye was from nagato who could use shinra tensei, like anyone who take's itachi right eye can use amaterasu do same work with rinnegan? he have one eye, maybe he jus't can't use them,

there is lot more to obito what i like to believe, he is said to be truly immortal, he might have shinra tensei,

He said that Naruto has a counter for the Rinnegan Paths so he didn't use them against him, and if he can use the 7th path he can most likely use the others too.

 

[jorgelius]

While they have no knowledge on each other they still have knowledge on the jutsu themselves..and Tobi already countered Amaterasu when it came out of Sasuke's eye, or he could just warp Itachi from behind.

true but how, answer izanagi. his mask fell direct hit, it's impossible to kamui a way obito style after it makes contact, if he had done so surely bruises or burn marks would be in him? no he rewrite what happened.. so did he jus't lose rinnegan or his own mangekyo ? or warp him behind ?



He said that Naruto has a counter for the Rinnegan Paths so he didn't use them against him, and if he can use the 7th path he can most likely use the others too.[/QUOTE]

Maito Guy said that, i don't mean to be offensive but where is stated in anyway he can use rinne tensei tech?


btw i meant they don't have any info about each other or jutsus they use, if they did there would be no point saying no info since tobi knows every jutsu on narutoverse

 

[ItachiOfTheLeaf]

Obito is scared shitless of Itachi that even though he knew of Itachi's duplicity, he never even bothered to lift a finger against him despite the Akatsuki's standing rule that anyone who betrays the organization must die. Anyone who has any sense would see who's better than who.

 

[Agent 47]

Hey OP, that is jorgelius.
We just saw some great Mokuton from Obito in the latest chapter.
This Obito can use it?
Make a mention about it i would say. It will rain blood once again.

 

[jorgelius]

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it wont be need said again, blood will rain ouright

Agent man thread maker is not fun as hosting games in ut3... third time: zetsu was covering his body and he said momentarily _now_ you have both uchiha and senju dna that's why u might be able to use powers never seen before.. i can't be certain they are obito's powers so you cant be either

 

[Agent 47]

Agent man thread maker is not fun as hosting games in ut3... third time: zetsu was covering his body and he said momentarily _now_ you have both uchiha and senju dna that's why u might be able to use powers never seen before.. i can't be certain they are obito's powers so you cant be either

BS bro.

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Look Mokuton without Zetsu.
Dont follow what Zetsu says, he dosent know what it feels like to shit.
You said guu right side so there is Zetsu implant. That means regular Obito also has Mokuton. Get it?
So now answer my question.

 

[jorgelius]

possibly yes, but correct me if im wrong danzo had real thing. hashirama arm, he could use mokuton bigger scale than yamato at least but obito hasn't seen doing that maybe because/due extremely high chakra drainage.. he too have rinnegan, any element shouldn't be out of question..

someone bring that up earlier too

 

[Agent 47]

possibly yes, but correct me if im wrong danzo had real thing. hashirama arm, he could use mokuton bigger scale than yamato at least but obito hasn't seen doing that maybe because/due extremely high chakra drainage.. he too have rinnegan, any element shouldn't be out of question..

someone bring that up earlier too

Why did you bring Danzo into this? Danzo had Hashirama DNA implant. Yamato was an amateur in Mokuton and his power isnt even 1% of Hashirama's. When you implant Senjuu DNA the chakra level rises.Hence when Danzo cut off the DNA from his arm his chakra level fell[like Kabuto's chakra increase after implanting Orochimaru cells, See?]
Yes he has rinnegan and can use any of the 5 elements. But Rinnegan=/= Kekkei Genkai too. Obito uses it only because of the zetsu implant.

Really? I did not read the entire thread so my bad.

Even if you dont give Mokuton to him he still wins~

 

[Thoth]

Obito with high difficulty.

 

[jorgelius]

Why did you bring Danzo into this? Danzo had Hashirama DNA implant. Yamato was an amateur in Mokuton and his power isnt even 1% of Hashirama's. When you implant Senjuu DNA the chakra level rises.Hence when Danzo cut off the DNA from his arm his chakra level fell[like Kabuto's chakra increase after implanting Orochimaru cells, See?]
Yes he has rinnegan and can use any of the 5 elements. But Rinnegan=/= Kekkei Genkai too. Obito uses it only because of the zetsu implant.

Really? I did not read the entire thread so my bad.

Even if you dont give Mokuton to him he still wins~

Yamato isn't noob at using mokuton he just don't have chakra levels even 1% of what hashirama had, itachi is epitome of how low chakra level ninja can be that strong, obito have done everything to obtain power yet he isn't nothing more than a prototype , stolen rinnegan not near it's full power in obitos head, he have hashirama's artificial body attached to his own or rather dna in some form, but he can utilize that power only much that he have chakra.. all clues seems to indicate he don't have more chakra than itachi..

 

[Agent 47]

Yamato isn't noob at using mokuton he just don't have chakra levels even 1% of what hashirama had, itachi is epitome of how low chakra level ninja can be that strong, obito have done everything to obtain power yet he isn't nothing more than a prototype , stolen rinnegan not near it's full power in obitos head, he have hashirama's artificial body attached to his own or rather dna in some form, but he can utilize that power only much that he have chakra.. all clues seems to indicate he don't have more chakra than itachi..

You are going hopelessly off-topic from your own thread.
If you feel Obito is weak go read the latest chapter.He spams mokuton from afternoon to near night[full moon] Speaks much about chakra levels
Stolen Rinnegan is so weak because he only has one of them. If he had both maybe he would be able to use full power.And he has a lot of chakra....What makes you say that Obito has lesser chakra than Itachi?

The only thing Itachi epitomizes is smart fighting using analytic skills. Thats why he is so good, he can turn the plot to his favour.But tht wont work here.

 

[jorgelius]

just answering your questions.. obito smash rock and his arm got smashed, then zetsu covering his body rock isn't problem.. try to remember zetsu is S-class akatsuki member.. he sure is hell isn't weak but since he doesn't have paths which were 95% of his might this is possible win for itachi..

well i tryed find proof he's not chakra megaman he allways running from fights admits he can't win certain fights battle over speed in both cases konan and minato ended kind of in opponent favor, but that proves nothing just that he select opponents wisely..

back to topic: key to win match against obito is lot about strike fast and way he don't see it coming, like with deidara instant they look at each other obito under genjutsu where all is same, same genjutsu if killer bee hadn't fast partner shurikens in head im confident itachi is better genjutsu wielder so simple trick might work if not tsukyomi..

itachi have valid counter move's to kamui, minato understand pretty quick he's being ripped to another dimension, he used FTG itachi have to resort big susano'o or amaterasu, and you remember it can hit right ?

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sharingan can see chakra by it's color.. if u don't exist in this dimension u have no chakra right? so maybe itachi can see when to counter attack..

usual chakra what uchiha got is little over what next person have.. that's why i assume obito don't have much bigger chakra reserves than itachi senju inherited body uchiha eyes and itachi has learn to use his eyes so effectively .. so is obito but which have better doujutsu itachi : shisui sharingan, three mangekyo jutsus -- - -- obito rinnegan and kamui

 

[KidGamer65]

While they have no knowledge on each other they still have knowledge on the jutsu themselves..and Tobi already countered Amaterasu when it came out of Sasuke's eye, or he could just warp Itachi from behind.

true but how, answer izanagi. his mask fell direct hit, it's impossible to kamui a way obito style after it makes contact, if he had done so surely bruises or burn marks would be in him? no he rewrite what happened.. so did he jus't lose rinnegan or his own mangekyo ? or warp him behind ?

If he used Kamui then he would suck in the flames..but still have some minor injuries.

If he uses Izanagi like you said he rewrites it meaning it never happened.



He said that Naruto has a counter for the Rinnegan Paths so he didn't use them against him, and if he can use the 7th path he can most likely use the others too.

Maito Guy said that, i don't mean to be offensive but where is stated in anyway he can use rinne tensei tech?
Then Kakashi added on to what he said...and Obito agreed. And I was referring to Gedo the 7th path that allows you to control Bijuu and use Gedo Mazo.

btw i meant they don't have any info about each other or jutsus they use, if they did there would be no point saying no info since tobi knows every jutsu on narutoverse

Oh, ok.

 

[thegame]

BS bro.

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Look Mokuton without Zetsu.
Dont follow what Zetsu says, he dosent know what it feels like to shit.
You said guu right side so there is Zetsu implant. That means regular Obito also has Mokuton. Get it?
So now answer my question.

Hmm it has been suggested that he isn't using mokuton here, he is simply training his balance in his new body, which makes sense if you look at the exercises he is making. It may just be a piece of wood, though I didn't come up with this theory I took a liking to it..