obito versus itachi

[Forbidden Technique]

Sorry nowhere is it stated that it takes a thousandth of a second for itachi to activate susanoo. You also forget obito was the same masked man who itachi thought was madara and was itachis teacher. Obito said he kept secrets from itachi, he was shown countering ametarasu he wins this.

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If Lightning reaches the ground in a thousandth of a second, like Zetsu said. Itachis susanoo can be activated just as fast, since he used it to defend against Kirin, which is lightning itself.

 

[Temple]

Itachi takes this, at thirteen he easily defeat a sannin and participated in the massacre of his entire clan, also at thirteen was acknowledged as an equal by Kisame. As an adult he one-shotted Orochimaru, Kakashi, and Naruto. Could have easily killed Sasuke multiple times during their battle despite the fact that he was dying of an illness the entire fight. Proved himslef a match for RM Naruto and Killer Bee, broke free of Edo Tensi and saved both Naruto and Killer Bee from certain death at the hands of NAgato and managed to analyze, figure out and counter all of Prime Nagatos Jutus before sealing him. Then proceeded to defeat Sage Mode Kabuto with a new haxx genjutus that has been stated to be the counter to Isanagi. Itachi has this rather easily.

 

[Joki]

I like how most of this stuff is null and void due to latest chapter but people seem to forget it exists. Why are people arguing as if some noob like Itachi stands any chance in hell vs Obito? It's ridiculous, Obito solos 20 Itachi carbon copies with no difficulty.

It's like this,

Itachi: "Mwahaha! You cannot beat my ultimate Susano'o! It's the ultimate defense that protects against anything!"
Obito: *walks through Susano'o and bashes Itachi's skull in*
Itachi: "Wait what the fu---?!?" *dies*

or alternatively

Itachi: "Mwahaha! I am the greatest genjutsu user! Not even Madara Uchiha stands a chance against me!"
Obito: "Ok lets genjutsu battle"
Itachi: *makes eye contact and uses tsukuyomi*
Obito: *uses superior tailed beast controlling genjutsu*
Itachi: "UWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
Obito: *cuts head off*
Itachi: *dies*

 

[Temple]

I like how most of this stuff is null and void due to latest chapter but people seem to forget it exists. Why are people arguing as if some noob like Itachi stands any chance in hell vs Obito? It's ridiculous, Obito solos 20 Itachi carbon copies with no difficulty.

It's like this,

Itachi: "Mwahaha! You cannot beat my ultimate Susano'o! It's the ultimate defense that protects against anything!"
Obito: *walks through Susano'o and bashes Itachi's skull in*
Itachi: "Wait what the fu---?!?" *dies*

or alternatively

Itachi: "Mwahaha! I am the greatest genjutsu user! Not even Madara Uchiha stands a chance against me!"
Obito: "Ok lets genjutsu battle"
Itachi: *makes eye contact and uses tsukuyomi*
Obito: *uses superior tailed beast controlling genjutsu*
Itachi: "UWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
Obito: *cuts head off*
Itachi: *dies*

I love how you just avoid arguing a decent point and just make up an excuse. Itachi is a noob? haha Then I guess Obito dpes not even register on the radar I love you fanboys that just d*ck ride any character that does anything "cool" lol. Itachi has a multitude of ways to kill sad little Obito but Obito is limited in when it comes to Itachi. It achi has DEFEATED far greater enemies than Obito, unless Edo Nagato is weaker than some angry Uchiha kid lol.

 

[Joki]

I love how you just avoid arguing a decent point and just make up an excuse. Itachi is a noob? haha Then I guess Obito dpes not even register on the radar I love you fanboys that just d*ck ride any character that does anything "cool" lol. Itachi has a multitude of ways to kill sad little Obito but Obito is limited in when it comes to Itachi. It achi has DEFEATED far greater enemies than Obito, unless Edo Nagato is weaker than some angry Uchiha kid lol.

>calls someone out on not giving any fair points
>rambles about how easily Itachi would win
>doesnt give any points at all on how he does so
>mfw

>says he loves fanboys who **** rides any character
>is **** riding itachi
>mfw

Nagato is fodder compared to Obito, besides your mind is warped in the way of the Itachi, he was stomped hard by Nagato. And yeah, when I called Itachi fodder in comparison to Obito, that's exactly what I meant, Obito is way off the charts in power. So let me guess, you were just bullshitting, you don't actually have any legitimate ways for Itachi to win...do you.

 

[jorgelius]

even i don't always want to argue but seems i will once more, joki your missing the point, this thread doesn't take count tobi + hax powers which he used against naruto to this point on. only regular obito forced to fight itachi which means = no paths, he basicly can summon mazou since it is rinnegan summon but those rods would come same way they came for nagato, and for obito is hard to keep mazou and himself out of phase- it would take too much time.

to how he can win: you say itachi genjutsu's are inferior but that surdanly isn't the case.. in uchiha stone monument state that mangekyo gives it user power to control fox, sasuke and madara just have upgraded version of that same genjutsu in all likelyhood itachi can do it too. to me it seems you spoke much like tobi/obito too arrogant since they know nothing about each other extent of itachi wielding tsukyomi comes to suprise to him, inside it obito can't move in real world and itachi can use it to many ends example comprehend how his s/t works and it's secrets

susanoo even if he can phase inside it, it does more harm than good moment he goes out of phase susanoo throw him away or he crush under pressure,

i don't go further since i rather debate whit people who possibly make me realize something, give clear reasoning whichi is fun to read and gives me idea's back.. rather than that />|

 

[Joki]

even i don't always want to argue but seems i will once more, joki your missing the point, this thread doesn't take count tobi + hax powers which he used against naruto to this point on. only regular obito forced to fight itachi which means = no paths, he basicly can summon mazou since it is rinnegan summon but those rods would come same way they came for nagato, and for obito is hard to keep mazou and himself out of phase- it would take too much time.

to how he can win: you say itachi genjutsu's are inferior but that surdanly isn't the case.. in uchiha stone monument state that mangekyo gives it user power to control fox, sasuke and madara just have upgraded version of that same genjutsu in all likelyhood itachi can do it too. to me it seems you spoke much like tobi/obito too arrogant since they know nothing about each other extent of itachi wielding tsukyomi comes to suprise to him, inside it obito can't move in real world and itachi can use it to many ends example comprehend how his s/t works and it's secrets

susanoo even if he can phase inside it, it does more harm than good moment he goes out of phase susanoo throw him away or he crush under pressure,

i don't go further since i rather debate whit people who possibly make me realize something, give clear reasoning whichi is fun to read and gives me idea's back.. rather than that />|

Itachi has nowhere near the genjutsu required to control Kurama, I'm calling BS on that. You don't have support for that. Obito's is simply better, not only did he control the fox but he put Konan in a genjutsu and killed her that's superior to what Itachi's effects have ever done.

Wait, you thought I was under the impression he had Gedo Mazo and the neo pains? Are you serious? That's just an even greater stomp than already is, it's not required at all, it just makes it an even bigger slaughter. Obito needs to be nerfed BADLY for Itachi to even hope to stand a chance. All he needs to do is phasing to beat Itachi.

How will going through Susano'o do more harm than good? Itachi has literally no counter, he's slower, weaker, has shit durability, Susano'o is useless, none of his jutsu could ever hope to damage Obito, and any attack Obito possibly thinks to touch Itachi with will kill him instantly.

Seriously, anyone who thinks Itachi stands any chance against the strongest Naruto character with the most hax needs to stop wanking Itachi. It's ridiculous, Itachi is fodder in comparison, he's on a completely different level.

 

[Lilt]

Obito has one Mangekyō jutsu and possible one Senju jutsu (if we're assuming he doesn't have to be fused with Zetsu.) Itachi has three Mangekyō jutsu and two legendary items. Both have access to Izanagi and Izanami. Itachi is smarter due to Obito stating that he was constantly amazed by Itachi, and I personally think Itachi is better rounded in his ninjutsu, genjutsu, and weapon skills. Ultimately, there is a reason Obito waited until Itachi died before moving forward. Itachi was a threat, and Obito even went so far as to say that Itachi could certainly kill him if he didn't carefully guard his secrets.

It'd be tough, but Itachi would probably squeeze out the win with Izanami.

 

[jorgelius]

well put, i don't doubt it take all he have, like with kabuto he could not hold back, battle to death and he find way to win. regardless of obito's rinnegan.

 

[jay2512]

Even though i believe with no intel on each other itachi would analyze obito's actions quicker than obito would for itachi, itachi would still lose.

itachi just awakening mangekyou with a useless koto vs obito with an eternal mangekyou and a rinnegan= obito as victor.

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay lets play along with the "Obito simply warps Itachi and its game over" argument.
So lets say Obito is about to warp Itachi. It has been proven to take about 2-3 seconds to fully warp someone, Danzous 2 body guards for example.

It takes less then a thousandth of a second for Itachi to activate susanoo.

Considering Obito needs to be tangible, near itachi, and 2-3 seconds to warp him, Itachi can activate susanoo within a blink of an eye, with the totsuka blade stabbing through Obitos body.

Itachi activated Ribcage Susanoo that fast not Full Susanoo so I don't know why you are mentioning Totsuka.

And Obito has Rinnegan..so he can simply rip his soul once he touches him.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Itachi activated Ribcage Susanoo that fast not Full Susanoo so I don't know why you are mentioning Totsuka.

And Obito has Rinnegan..so he can simply rip his soul once he touches him.

I'm talking about Sharingan Obito. I am aware Itachi looses to Rinnegan Obito.

@ Bold, proof please? Even though there is none, we can STILL play by your logic. If it takes a thousandth of a second to activate just the rib cage of the susanoo...how much longer would it take to activate full susanoo? Surely not as long as 3 seconds.
Please come with a sufficient counter with actual proof, or just admit Itachi > Sharingan Tobi.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm talking about Sharingan Obito. I am aware Itachi looses to Rinnegan Obito.

@ Bold, proof please? Even though there is none, we can STILL play by your logic. If it takes a thousandth of a second to activate just the rib cage of the susanoo...how much longer would it take to activate full susanoo? Surely not as long as 3 seconds.
Please come with a sufficient counter with actual proof, or just admit Itachi > Sharingan Tobi.

Why would I be arguing about Sharingan Tobi...the thread is about Rinnegan Tobi. I've already argued Sharingan Tobi elsewhere and I don't feel like doing it again, but I will say this..

Kirin can't destroy Full Susanoo since it has Yata's Mirror.

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<---There is your proof.

Besides Obito can let Itachi wear himself out since Itachi can't counter Kamui.

Why don't you tell me how Itachi wins..

EDIT: I Meant Incomplete Susanoo not ribcage Susanoo.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Obito can defeat him without Rinnegan...with Rinnegan just gives him more firepower

He has Gedo Mazo to take on Susanoo.

Itachi can't hit him.

He can absorb all of Itachi's attacks.

In short Obito wins.

Bold is why were talking about Sharingan Tobi. I could care less where else you have argued this, the fact of the matter is this is my counter to why Itachi > Sharingan Obito, and i've seen no counter for it yet.

Okay lets play along with the "Obito simply warps Itachi and its game over" argument.
So lets say Obito is about to warp Itachi. It has been proven to take about 2-3 seconds to fully warp someone, Danzous 2 body guards for example.

It takes less then a thousandth of a second for Itachi to activate susanoo.

Considering Obito needs to be tangible, near itachi, and 2-3 seconds to warp him, Itachi can activate susanoo within a blink of an eye, with the totsuka blade stabbing through Obitos body.

This is how Itachi wins.

Why would I be arguing about Sharingan Tobi...the thread is about Rinnegan Tobi. I've already argued Sharingan Tobi elsewhere and I don't feel like doing it again, but I will say this..

Kirin can't destroy Full Susanoo since it has Yata's Mirror.

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<---There is your proof.

Besides Obito can let Itachi wear himself out since Itachi can't counter Kamui.

Why don't you tell me how Itachi wins..

I see absolutely no proof in the manga page you just should me. Yata Mirror protects the front of Susanoo, while Kirin came from directly above susanoo. And again, even IF he only activated rib cage susanoo, he did it under a thousandth of second, pretty much instantly. So not being able to activate full susanoo within 3 seconds is highly unlikely and far fetched.

Also, as far as "Besides Obito can let Itachi wear himself out" is completely stupid. So Itachi, as conservative as he is, and being praised for being a genius, is going to just fire meaningless jutsu at Obito knowing it will have no effect? Please.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I will create a thread on why i think Itachi > Sharingan Obito...if you like, since we are going off topic.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bold is why were talking about Sharingan Tobi. I could care less where else you have argued this, the fact of the matter is this is my counter to why Itachi > Sharingan Obito, and i've seen no counter for it yet.



This is how Itachi wins.



I see absolutely no proof in the manga page you just should me. Yata Mirror protects the front of Susanoo, while Kirin came from directly above susanoo. And again, even IF he only activated rib cage susanoo, he did it under a thousandth of second, pretty much instantly. So not being able to activate full susanoo within 3 seconds is highly unlikely and far fetched.

Also, as far as "Besides Obito can let Itachi wear himself out" is completely stupid. So Itachi, as conservative as he is, and being praised for being a genius, is going to just fire meaningless jutsu at Obito knowing it will have no effect? Please.

You are relying on the fact that Tobi will try warp Itachi carelessly, Tobi has knowledge on all of Itachi's jutsu..or at least most of them. You have no real argument for how Itachi beats him.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

You are relying on the fact that Tobi will try warp Itachi carelessly, Tobi has knowledge on all of Itachi's jutsu..or at least most of them. You have no real argument for how Itachi beats him.

Not really since the only way for Obito to win is to warp Itachi. And i have stated a possibility to why Itachi wouldn't let that happen.

It was originally a counter to all the silly kids that say "Obito will simply warp Itachi" and its game over.

@ Bold - and the same goes with you, with Obito. So whats your point.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not really since the only way for Obito to win is to warp Itachi. And i have stated a possibility to why Itachi wouldn't let that happen.

It was originally a counter to all the silly kids that say "Obito will simply warp Itachi" and its game over.

Even if he stops him from warping him then...how will he defeat him?

You said that it should take Itachi 3 seconds but you said previously that Tobi warped Danzo's goons in 2-3 seconds, so Itachi would be sucked in before Full Susanoo ever comes out so he will have to opt for manifesting the Incomplete Susanoo, but if he doesn't that he can't hurt Tobi.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Even if he stops him from warping him then...how will he defeat him?

I guess you don't read. One final time now...

Okay lets play along with the "Obito simply warps Itachi and its game over" argument.
So lets say Obito is about to warp Itachi. It has been proven to take about 2-3 seconds to fully warp someone, Danzous 2 body guards for example.

It takes less then a thousandth of a second for Itachi to activate susanoo.

Considering Obito needs to be tangible, near itachi, and 2-3 seconds to warp him, Itachi can activate susanoo within a blink of an eye, with the totsuka blade sta.bbing through Obitos body

You said that it should take Itachi 3 seconds but you said previously that Tobi warped Danzo's goons in 2-3 seconds, so Itachi would be sucked in before Full Susanoo ever comes out so he will have to opt for manifesting the Incomplete Susanoo, but if he doesn't that he can't hurt Tobi.

Wrong. I said if takes less then a thousandth of a second to activate just rib cage susanoo (Going back to your comment on Itachi didn't activate full susanoo vs. Kirin [No proof you are right] ) it still leaves 3 seconds to activate full susanoo. And it will take a lot longer then 3 seconds to warp a rib cage susanoo anyways.

 

[KidGamer65]

I guess you don't read. One final time now...


You said that it should take Itachi 3 seconds but you said previously that Tobi warped Danzo's goons in 2-3 seconds, so Itachi would be sucked in before Full Susanoo ever comes out so he will have to opt for manifesting the Incomplete Susanoo, but if he doesn't that he can't hurt Tobi.

Wrong. I said if takes less then a thousandth of a second to activate just rib cage susanoo (Going back to your comment on Itachi didn't activate full susanoo vs. Kirin [No proof you are right] ) it still leaves 3 seconds to activate full susanoo. And it will take a lot longer then 3 seconds to warp a rib cage susanoo anyways.

Tobi can't touch him through Susanoo so he will be repelled before Full Susanoo comes out thus your scenario doesn't work.

Your argument is so flawed..all you are saying is that Itachi will activate Susanoo to instantly send Totsuka through Tobi's body while he warps him...so where's that thread your supposed to make?

This is how Tobi wins:
Itachi can't hit him so he can't beat him.

If Itachi doesn't protect himself with Susanoo he will get warped as he has no other way to fight Tobi.