Tobi was NOT scared of Itachi.

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lol I dont know if you understand proper english or its just really your IQ.going by manga facts itachi didn't knew tobi's secret that is why if we based on those facts that means tobi>itachi. because tobi's secret will give an advantage for him if they fight.and no itachi will never counter kamui, he doesn't have anything that will kill tobi. even bee,naruto,kakashi and gai can't hit him if it wasn't for the same technique kakashi possessed. so basically only kakashi has the capability to counter tobi's kamui. and of course minato's ftg, but that was before when, Im guessing, tobi doesnt have much experience in using his ability yet.

the other half of my post is not for you, just proves how you jump to conclusions. I say think first before posting.
Well if the 2nd part wasnt to me then my bad.
Where did i say Itachi was able to counter Kamui??
and no itachi will never counter kamui, he doesn't have anything that will kill tobi
He doesnt have anything WE KNOW. And as i said we will never know. What i proofed from manga is that according to Obito Itachi has more abilities than we think. I never assumed sth or said which would be against manga. I never said Itachi could counter Kamui.
even bee,naruto,kakashi and gai can't hit him if it wasn't for the same technique kakashi possessed.
Its not like noone except Kakashi can handle Obito....
I aggree Kamui is a great advantage, but its not really an offensive jutsu. Kamui cant kill Itachi. And i havent seen Obito using abilities what Itachi couldnt handle with.
I am summing up again maybe u get the point now:
1)According to Obito Itachi has more abilities than he actually used ==> we dont know his whole power
2)We cant decide who would win cuz they never fought....
 

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If Minato can outsmart Tobi, what makes you think Itachi can't? Itachi is one smart mofo when it comes to planning ahead and planning at the spur of the moment. Now im not saying that Itachi>Minato, but intellect wise he is. Im not sure about you, but he doesn't have to directly say that hes scared of Itachi, its his actions that say it.. Lets say this, you where really scared of this guy at school. But when you're around your friends you wont admit it would you? No... So how do you know he wasn't scared of Itachi? If he wasn't scared, why didn't he just kill Itachi?
 

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If Minato can outsmart Tobi, what makes you think Itachi can't? Itachi is one smart mofo when it comes to planning ahead and planning at the spur of the moment. Now im not saying that Itachi>Minato, but intellect wise he is. Im not sure about you, but he doesn't have to directly say that hes scared of Itachi, its his actions that say it.. Lets say this, you where really scared of this guy at school. But when you're around your friends you wont admit it would you? No... So how do you know he wasn't scared of Itachi? If he wasn't scared, why didn't he just kill Itachi?
For the last time...You need to know their weaknesses AND be able to counter it. Itachi knows how to counter CT, but he can't do it by himself, Minato knew how to counter Obito AND he had the necessary tool to counter him (FTG).

As for Tobi being scared..no he wasn't, why? He obviously didn't want to kill him. If he wanted Itachi dead, he would be dead, Tobi has all of Akatsuki on his side so if he wanted to kill him he could team up with them and take him out.

There isn't even anything in the manga that implies that he was scared except for the mistranslation of the page in the OP, which I provided the correct translation for.
 

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Those secrets are most likely about his techniques since he made that comment after getting hit by Amaterasu and then escaping it.

Minato beat Tobi because he had the right jutsu to do it (FTG). What does Itachi have that could let him defeat Tobi?
Itachi had the susanoo, spiritual sword, and shield
 

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Obito was never scared of someone besides from Madara, and it was pretty clear when Kabuto arrived with his Edo tensei army. Kabuto brought back Itachi, Nagato and others, but Obito was still speaking arrogantly as if he didn't fear them at all. The only moment he feared is when he saw Madara being summoned. He never feared Itachi. Don't know where this BS come from
it's because he was pretending to be madara and his secret will be blown...
 

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it's because he was pretending to be madara and his secret will be blown...
Were you sleepy when you made this comment? How would Tobi still be pretending when he is face-to-face with Kabuto (who had exposed him earlier by asking 'so you go by that name now?' and summoning Madara)

How can he still pretend to be the corpse he and Kabuto were starring at?
 

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They aren't rational; a simple question was asked and they can't answer it it's as simple as that.

They bring of fail comparisons, misuse Tobi's quote from when he met Sasuke.

Don't say I sound fanboyish just because I don't agree with your views, got it?
you sound fanboyish cuz ANYONE can see that many of their points are rational and you seem to completely refute them, hence it leads me to believe that you are one...whether that's true or not is irrelevant. I guess you will stick to your point to the death irregardless of what is thrown your way...but that's your option.


Clones aren't durable unless their Naruto's so they aren't good for long battles since Itachi doesn't have the chakra to spam clones like Naruto.....any other fail replies you want to give?
btw he doesn't need a thousand clones, lets be real you know how effective itachi is - if he used 5 he'd be a menace and as far as I see you have ZERO proof stating he cannot do this. Yes he doesn't have as much chakra as naruto, that's obvious...show scans proving he cannot use 5 or more or him saying he can't - reality is you'll find neither proof for your point OR mine -- (that's called being open minded btw) ur drawing assumptions - as to fail comments like I said shooting people's comments down even though they're rational - typical...a ninja the calibre of itachi unable to make 5 clones?? I'd love to see that explained.

Also Danzo's goons have different abilities than Itachi.
As much as I'd love to wise crack for this its not worth it and I'm tired responding, but yes obviously their abilities were different I was referencing a point at how tobi is not invinsible or that not only S/T can be used to defeat him or atleast I think that's wat it was about - at this stage I cannot remember lol


If he's intangible Tsukuyomi can't hit him since he's not this dimension.
You have a grand total of ZERO evidence that this is the case - stop fabricating - sight is sight and if he looks into itachi's eyes he is plucked...

Also he knows not to look into his eyes.
Yes and gee I wonder how he sucks people in?? ever saw him look down while suckin' in somebody? he faces his opponent directly with that one eye of his O_x ... it is after all an eye technique...now if you said maybe he can ketch him from behind that would be more plausible...still he'd have to come good to sneak up behind itachi.

If you wanna say fail comments etc - have a time and enjoy - I know many others will disagree with you, cuz I laid out simple facts without complications...deal with it however you like...anyway, the smug arrogant talk thing doesn't help ur debating. I'm not saying that is how you are as a person or wateva, however by the way you say things it may give that impression...

Having said all this I'd tell you one more thing...

1) As to the tobi was not afraid of itachi, that seems very subjective - on one level I can see the 'respect' aspect of it however on another level (based on his personality) i'd say he was afraid since interference from itachi would be a hindrance to his plans. Tobi like i said before is not one to care, if he believes he can overcome you and ur an obstacle he will. Furthermore if it was 'respect' or 'pact' why would itachi's death even matter? a pact would be a pact - dead or alive. Its the equivolent of you making me promise to give your family a million bucks and I agree, and then cuz you are no longer there, I don't...If after your gone I give the money to them then I did it outta 'respect'. If I kept it then I was only going to give it cuz you told me to do so...meaning it woulda been done out of fear for you or because I know if I kept it you would do something...

whether it was direct fear of itachi or fear that itachi would cause his plans to be severely altered it was still fear --- hence he was afraid of itachi - simple.

2) don't know how this turned into a tobi > itachi thread or vice versa but it was unnecessary. Incidently current tobi i'd say would beat itachi - I can't discredit his current level he is at right now...can't see itachi winning against him now...in the past I'd say it could go either way based on both their capabilities.

3) You genuinely come up with good points (not necessarily fully accurate) but good points all the same, which is why I was willing to listen to some of what you had to say - later down the road you started to stray.
 

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you sound fanboyish cuz ANYONE can see that many of their points are rational and you seem to completely refute them, hence it leads me to believe that you are one...whether that's true or not is irrelevant. I guess you will stick to your point to the death irregardless of what is thrown your way...but that's your option.
Give examples of these "rational" points, cause i'm pretty sure that they weren't rational.


btw he doesn't need a thousand clones, lets be real you know how effective itachi is - if he used 5 he'd be a menace and as far as I see you have ZERO proof stating he cannot do this. Yes he doesn't have as much chakra as naruto, that's obvious...show scans proving he cannot use 5 or more or him saying he can't - reality is you'll find neither proof for your point OR mine -- (that's called being open minded btw) ur drawing assumptions - as to fail comments like I said shooting people's comments down even though they're rational - typical...a ninja the calibre of itachi unable to make 5 clones?? I'd love to see that explained.
First of all did I say Itachi can't make five clones? Read my post again, I said that he can't spam them so when they get destroyed (Clones get one-shotted) he can't keep making more.

@bold: Caliber doesn't matter...chakra does, he can be a high caliber ninja but if he doesn't have enough chakra then it's not going to happen.

As much as I'd love to wise crack for this its not worth it and I'm tired responding, but yes obviously their abilities were different I was referencing a point at how tobi is not invinsible or that not only S/T can be used to defeat him or atleast I think that's wat it was about - at this stage I cannot remember lol
Again no one said that Kamui is invincible, also the only 4 people who hit Tobi, had S/T Jutsu, 2 on 1, or a LONG amount of prep time.

You have a grand total of ZERO evidence that this is the case - stop fabricating - sight is sight and if he looks into itachi's eyes he is plucked...
I have no evidence huh?
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You can't make eye contact with something that is not in the same dimension as you....simple as this.

Yes and gee I wonder how he sucks people in?? ever saw him look down while suckin' in somebody? he faces his opponent directly with that one eye of his O_x ... it is after all an eye technique...now if you said maybe he can ketch him from behind that would be more plausible...still he'd have to come good to sneak up behind itachi.
Sorry wrong again..he doesn't need eye contact to suck anyone in.
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Having said all this I'd tell you one more thing...

1) As to the tobi was not afraid of itachi, that seems very subjective - on one level I can see the 'respect' aspect of it however on another level (based on his personality) i'd say he was afraid since interference from itachi would be a hindrance to his plans. Tobi like i said before is not one to care, if he believes he can overcome you and ur an obstacle he will. Furthermore if it was 'respect' or 'pact' why would itachi's death even matter? a pact would be a pact - dead or alive. Its the equivolent of you making me promise to give your family a million bucks and I agree, and then cuz you are no longer there, I don't...If after your gone I give the money to them then I did it outta 'respect'. If I kept it then I was only going to give it cuz you told me to do so...meaning it woulda been done out of fear for you or because I know if I kept it you would do something...
No one keeps a pact with a dead guy...That's like saying one country has a treaty with another country and then if that country disappears somehow...the first country still keeps the treaty.

Also being afraid of him ruining is plan if very different than actually fearing Itachi.
 
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To those who use that Pain and Tobi were scared of Itachi, that they waited until his death so they can attack The Land Of Fire.

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Chapter 313 (pg 16)

Clearly they gave that assignment to Hidan and Kakuzu before.

/sorryforbeatingthedeadhorse
 
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Tobi waited until Itachi was dead to go against their pact because he wouldnt dare do it if itachi was still alive he definately had respect for his power.
 

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I have no evidence huh?
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You can't make eye contact with something that is not in the same dimension as you....simple as this.

How did I know you would bring up this scan lol - but this does not count as evidence.
Based on what you are saying - tobi fights blind - which I find hard to believe...I think he is still able to actually SEE his opponent and that's the whole point. Whether his eye is in the other dimension is irrelevant! If he can still see his opponents tsukiyomi will hit him.
Honestly if ur saying he's fighting blind or perceiving them in some other way I'll consent or agree to that but I honest do not think he does that. This dimension or another - if he can literally see them he is hosed...your best bet is the not looking into his sharingan idea which has a greater merit than this.


Sorry wrong again..he doesn't need eye contact to suck anyone in.
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Will read that part again (and the pages before it) that still appears to be within line of sight (not directly infront) but still in line of sight.


No one keeps a pact with a dead guy...That's like saying one country has a treaty with another country and then if that country disappears somehow...the first country still keeps the treaty...that makes no sense to be honest - there are people who swear on the graves of others etc. so the 'nobody keeps a pact with dead guys' is flawed...countless other manga shows this and in real perspective many people live by this code. However given that it was said to be 'uchiha respect' you'd expect it to transcend death

Also being afraid of him ruining is plan if very different than actually fearing Itachi.[/QUOTE]

I guess that's a matter of perspective - cuz I can bottomline it and say that fear is fear. By extension he is afraid of him, like I said even if it's not direct fear - it is still indirect fear.
 

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I have no evidence huh?
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You can't make eye contact with something that is not in the same dimension as you....simple as this.

How did I know you would bring up this scan lol - but this does not count as evidence.
Based on what you are saying - tobi fights blind - which I find hard to believe...I think he is still able to actually SEE his opponent and that's the whole point. Whether his eye is in the other dimension is irrelevant! If he can still see his opponents tsukiyomi will hit him.
Honestly if ur saying he's fighting blind or perceiving them in some other way I'll consent or agree to that but I honest do not think he does that. This dimension or another - if he can literally see them he is hosed...your best bet is the not looking into his sharingan idea which has a greater merit than this.


Sorry wrong again..he doesn't need eye contact to suck anyone in.
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Will read that part again (and the pages before it) that still appears to be within line of sight (not directly infront) but still in line of sight.


No one keeps a pact with a dead guy...That's like saying one country has a treaty with another country and then if that country disappears somehow...the first country still keeps the treaty...that makes no sense to be honest - there are people who swear on the graves of others etc. so the 'nobody keeps a pact with dead guys' is flawed...countless other manga shows this and in real perspective many people live by this code. However given that it was said to be 'uchiha respect' you'd expect it to transcend death

Also being afraid of him ruining is plan if very different than actually fearing Itachi.
I guess that's a matter of perspective - cuz I can bottomline it and say that fear is fear. By extension he is afraid of him, like I said even if it's not direct fear - it is still indirect fear.[/QUOTE]

If itachi was alive never got a disease this would not have happened, thats proof you cant say no one keeps a pact with a dead guy, how many times have we seen someone dying telling another character to promise them something exactly.......in reality itachi could have used shisui's eye on tobi for a while
 

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I have no evidence huh?
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You can't make eye contact with something that is not in the same dimension as you....simple as this.

How did I know you would bring up this scan lol - but this does not count as evidence.
Based on what you are saying - tobi fights blind - which I find hard to believe...I think he is still able to actually SEE his opponent and that's the whole point. Whether his eye is in the other dimension is irrelevant! If he can still see his opponents tsukiyomi will hit him.
Honestly if ur saying he's fighting blind or perceiving them in some other way I'll consent or agree to that but I honest do not think he does that. This dimension or another - if he can literally see them he is hosed...your best bet is the not looking into his sharingan idea which has a greater merit than this.


Sorry wrong again..he doesn't need eye contact to suck anyone in.
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Will read that part again (and the pages before it) that still appears to be within line of sight (not directly infront) but still in line of sight.


No one keeps a pact with a dead guy...That's like saying one country has a treaty with another country and then if that country disappears somehow...the first country still keeps the treaty...that makes no sense to be honest - there are people who swear on the graves of others etc. so the 'nobody keeps a pact with dead guys' is flawed...countless other manga shows this and in real perspective many people live by this code. However given that it was said to be 'uchiha respect' you'd expect it to transcend death

Also being afraid of him ruining is plan if very different than actually fearing Itachi.
I guess that's a matter of perspective - cuz I can bottomline it and say that fear is fear. By extension he is afraid of him, like I said even if it's not direct fear - it is still indirect fear.[/QUOTE]

then how does tobi see?... tard...
 

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Since you messed up the quote i'll just reply like this.

He can avoid it in combination of avoiding eye contact and occasionally do this though it might not be a good plan.

2 different things, eye contact is NOT the same as someone being in your line of sight. Tobi does not need eye contact to suck someone in.

Tobi can simply phase underground and come up behind Itachi..and then warp him.

Tobi also has 10 minutes of Izanagi..that's 10 minutes of the fight that Tobi can manipulate his existence in any way he wants.

To the fool above me: He doesn't stay like that the whole battle.

@shogun973: You hardly make any sense..... it's as simple as this..Itachi was alive, they had a pact, Itachi died, pact broken, why? because he died.

Your example also sucks, a pact is different than a promise.
 

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Since you messed up the quote i'll just reply like this.

He can avoid it in combination of avoiding eye contact and occasionally do this though it might not be a good plan.

2 different things, eye contact is NOT the same as someone being in your line of sight. Tobi does not need eye contact to suck someone in.

Tobi can simply phase underground and come up behind Itachi..and then warp him.

Tobi also has 10 minutes of Izanagi..that's 10 minutes of the fight that Tobi can manipulate his existence in any way he wants.

To the fool above me: He doesn't stay like that the whole battle.

@shogun973: You hardly make any sense..... it's as simple as this..Itachi was alive, they had a pact, Itachi died, pact broken, why? because he died.

Your example also sucks, a pact is different than a promise.
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