Madara & Orochimaru. Recordings, coffins etc etc.. (Theory)

Forsberg

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I made a thread earlier named "Zetsu's recordings was never meant for Tobi, they were for Madara Uchiha".

As it turns out Tobi was Madara's "errand boy". He did what Madara could not. His only link to the outside world.

The recordings was brought to Madara to keep him updated about what is going on or whatever. The point is, the recordings was brought and shown to Madara in his weak state until he died.

Kabuto later tracked or found out about their real hideout, found Madara's body and got the DNA he needed for the Edo Tensei.

The Sasuke & Itachi fight was recorded and brought to Tobi which would mean Madara was alive at the time.

No other recordings have been stated after the battle of the Uchiha brothers. So it is now possible to presume Madara did infact die after that fight.
To keep his plan in motion he made Tobi the official leader. This is when Tobi changes from "good boy", errand boy to an certificated badass. (attitude & voice change.) He is now responsible to keep the Moon Eye plan in motion until Madara is revived by Nagato.

I find the upper part very likely.

This second part is just a thought which is not very likely and i don't really believe in it. But i'll share my thought.

Orochimaru might have had Madara's DNA all along without informing his subordinate Kabuto.

So why did he not summon him?
He tried. But failed due to the fact that Madara was still alive in his weak state. This is something not even Orochimaru could have foreseen.

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It was believed to be the fourth hokage for years until it was finally confirmed to be him by Kabuto 300 chapters later. This is the only solid evidence mangavise that the third coffin was infact Minato, the fourth Hokage.
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However Orochimaru is now back and is the only man that can disprove Kabuto.
Madara would be a better Edo tensei summon than Minato. So if he had access to him he obviously would have chosen him. Kabuto later steals every DNA sample that Orochimaru had including Madara's.

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In the manga the coffin fails to summon altogether. It simply did not work.
Anime
In the anime the coffin comes up but then fails. The coffin also says "fourth" which is weird since it was revealed that it was the fourth 300 chapters later. (not canon)

I find the lower part more farfetched and less likely.
 

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Interesting...I've been wondering about this for awhile, just haven't had the time to look it all up.....Very nice!!!
 

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nice ideas, i guess we will have to wait and see in the end.... though the point you make about the recordings could actually be more revealing than anything else regarding the time of death of Madara. that's actually a very good observation, but still we will have to wait and see what the manga says in the end. +rep either way.
 

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nice ideas, i guess we will have to wait and see in the end.... though the point you make about the recordings could actually be more revealing than anything else regarding the time of death of Madara. that's actually a very good observation, but still we will have to wait and see what the manga says in the end. +rep either way.

The recordings seems to be overlooked by alot of people. I find them extremely interesting. And if what i speculated turned out to be true maybe Madara was looking or waiting for something in that Uchiha fight? Afterall they were the only Uchihas left if you don't count Tobi & Madara.
 

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The third coffin was actually the Fourth hokage's In the anime it said the fourth. But it could be Madara to.

But If it was minato.. then i'm sure Hashirama can also be summoned from the Death reaper's stomach
 

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The third coffin was actually the Fourth hokage's In the anime it said the fourth. But it could be Madara to.

But If it was minato.. then i'm sure Hashirama can also be summoned from the Death reaper's stomach

It most likely was Minato but i'm just throwing it out there that it could be Madara aswell. The summoning failed though due to the fact that Minato died by the Death reaper seal. OR if we consider it was Madara it failed because he was still alive at the time.
 

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The only reason why I disagree is Becuase he wasn't summoning them for power, but for an emotional effect. By summoning Hokages this would do just that, Madara would have be the odd ball in this situation.
 
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