[Theory] THEORY: Hashirama’s Resurrection = Senjutsu Chakra

[MilwaukeegHost]

THEORY: Hashirama’s best chance of being resurrected is through Senjutsu


I am NOT saying that Hashirama will be resurrected.
BUT… if he IS resurrected, it will most likely be through Senjutsu. I will elaborate (briefly) in this thread.













REVIEW: LORD OROCHIMARU’S RESURRECTION

Spoiler

Resurrection = Living tissue + Senjutsu Chakra

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In this manga, we learn that the rebirth of Orochimaru is possible, even though his soul is sealed in Itachi’s sword. This proves that Hashirama can “possibly” be resurrected even though his soul is sealed in the Death Reaper. Furthermore…

…Think about this: If Hashirama was a Sage (or atleast had Senjutsu Chakra) he could be brought back to life in the same manner that Lord Orochimaru was resurrected. As the Leader of the SENJU Clan, I believe it is highly possible that Hashirama had Senjutsu Chakra. It would be weird if no one from the SENJU Clan knew how to use Senjutsu in the Manga, especially the LEADER of the SENJU.

Also, it fits Kishi’s style of writing, that the Senju Leader be resurrected by his own clan’s technique.

REQUIREMENT #1: “Living Tissue”

Spoiler

”The First Hokage, Senju Hashirama”

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In the manga above, Obito (Tobi) refers to the DNA as “something I grew from LIVING TISSUE I stole from him during our battle”. There was no need to prove this actually—Hashirama DNA has been used by multiple shinobi so we already know there is ample access to his DNA. But this (manga above) specifically shows the ROOT DNA that everyone has been using of his cells. This “body” (DNA) of Hashirama should suffice for use in his resurrection.


Kabuto with Orochimaru's DNA

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Note that this DNA is “living” tissue, the same manner that Kabuto used the “living” tissue of Lord Orochimaru, and the cells started taking over his body. The living tissue is so powerful that Kabuto says (Manga above) “Even now I’m desperately resisting the inevitable fate of being conquered!”

REQUIREMENT #2: “Senjutsu Chakra”

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Lord Orochimaru’s Senjutsu Chakra

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In the manga above, Orochimaru states something very important about the nature of Senjutsu Chakra. Orochimaru says that although he “was split from it (Senjutsu Chakra), his CONSCIOUSNESS also inhabited it”. This is the reason that Orochimaru was able to have knowledge about everything that was happening in the shinobi world while his soul was “sealed”. This means anyone who was able to successfully create Senjutsu Chakra also has pieces of his consciousness embedded within the new Chakra.

Consciousness + DNA = RESURRECTION

If any shinobi finds a way to get access to Hashirama’s Senjutsu Chakra (if it actually exists, of course) both his chakra and body could be used in his resurrection. Again, I am NOT saying that he will be revived for sure. But it’s interesting that Lord Orochimaru has now provided a possibility for reviving souls that have already been sealed. And also noted, Lord Orochimaru did this through the power of the SENJU. Interesting plot twist…


Bonus Note: This logic would also apply to ANY shinobi currently sealed. Yes, Death Reaper included! I only use hashirama as the prime example here because his DNA is everywhere, he is the Senju Clan LEADER (so he may actually have Senjutsu Chakra), and his presence may be needed in order to defeat Edo Madara.
The strongest shinobi in the world revived to help fight Edo Madara/Obito/Juubi… I LOVE THIS IDEA!!!

 

[Blaze Release]

I havent broken your heart lately have i?. Unfortunately ive something else of more importance to get to. When im done ill read this thread and try to shatter your heart as much as possible

 

[Ero-Sennin]

i think he would kick butt and finish the war

 

[Cosmic Path]

Well thats if it actually happens though

 

[Prime Rib]

his soul is already bound by the reaper death seal, he may come back from his living clone but still its not him you need your soul to be you thus this theory ends close thread

 

[hawaiianmike]

I guess. Although you have to remember the living tissue they used for oro was from anko and she had the curse seal. Which contained a portion of Oro's chakra, kinda like Voldemort and his hocruxes.

 

[DJ Dragon]

good thought........i would say

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

his soul is already bound by the reaper death seal, he may come back from his living clone but still its not him you need your soul to be you thus this theory ends close thread

OROCHIMARU'S SOUL WAS ALSO SEALED.

But obviously, through his Senjutsu Chakra, he was able to be resurrected. Did you even read the thread??? Please read the thread before you suggest it to be closed. LMAO

#FailPost

 

[Draw]

they are foreshadowing hashirama coming back a lot.....madara literally says it like 4 times that he is the only one who can beat him

 

[HungryJack]

I havent broken your heart lately have i?. Unfortunately ive something else of more importance to get to. When im done ill read this thread and try to shatter your heart as much as possible

That's actually quite funny.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

I guess. Although you have to remember the living tissue they used for oro was from anko and she had the curse seal. Which contained a portion of Oro's chakra, kinda like Voldemort and his hocruxes.

INCORRECT.

The living tissue they used was from KABUTO--it was the DNA that Kabuto originally took from Orochimaru. This is why Juugo said that Orochimaru canceled Kabuto's Sage Mode and TOOK HIS OWN DNA BACK, while leaving Kabuto's DNA/Chakra untouched.

And FYI the curse seal only had some of Orochimaru's chakra because it used SENJUTSU chakra from him. Lord Orochimaru's conscious was embedded inside the SENJUTSU chakra he created, which was then placed inside the curse seal. This helped make the "body" of the curse seal compatible for Orochimaru to take possession of at a later date. FYI

 

[Joon]

I havent broken your heart lately have i?. Unfortunately ive something else of more importance to get to. When im done ill read this thread and try to shatter your heart as much as possible

|LOL| That's messed up. -SMH- On-topic: Orochimaru was revived through different means and methods. How could you come to the conclusion that Hashirama had Senjutsu (Sage Techniques)? Do you know what Senjutsu is?

Senjutsu practitioners can then learn to draw the energy of nature inside of them blending it with their own chakra (created from spiritual and physical energy within the shinobi), adding a new dimension of power to the sage's chakra, resulting in the creation of "senjutsu chakra" (仙術チャクラ, senjutsu chakura). This chakra cannot be seen by anyone other than those who have been trained in senjutsu. This new chakra enables the user to enter an empowered state called Sage Mode, which can then drastically increase the strength of all ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu. A person who is able to use senjutsu is called a sage (仙人, sennin). Currently, there are two known ways to learn senjutsu. One of them is to study under toads from Mount Myōboku, as Shima, Fukasaku, Jiraiya and Naruto have done. Gamakichi and Gamabunta also seem to be familiar with it. Another way is to study under snakes from the Ryūchi Cave where Orochimaru and Kabuto Yakushi learnt it. The cursed seals that Orochimaru has used in the series also use senjutsu chakra.

I'm still confuse about your theory.

 

[Honord Sage]

Get it through your Head no one but Naruto shall be the Ultimate Hero and Savior and so far no sealed person in the death god stomach has ever return to our plain of reality,are you willing to take His place? cause that may be the only way, a sacrifice.

 

[Takure]

I don't think Hashirama was a Sage. Otherwise it's would of been mentioned in the manga. (I'm sure Naruto's Sage masters would of mentioned the First being a Sage.) If I remember correctly, Lord Fukasaku says that Naruto was the first, in a long time to fully master Senjutsu. But idk, maybe my memory is off.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

|LOL| That's messed up. -SMH- On-topic: Orochimaru was revived through different means and methods. How could you come to the conclusion that Hashirama had Senjutsu (Sage Techniques)? Do you know what Senjutsu is?



I'm still confuse about your theory.

Uh.... No.

1. You said that, "Orochimaru was revived through different means and methods".
What do you mean? Orochimaru was revived because Sasuke combined both his "body" (DNA from Kabuto) and "soul" (consciousness from Senjutsu Chakra). This is the EXACT same method I am proposing. I dont understand your complaint here.

2. You said that, "How could you come to the conclusion that Hashirama had Senjutsu (Sage Techniques)? "
But... Did you READ my thread kind sir...? I never said that Hashirama HAD Senjutu Chakra. I said "IF" he does, it can be used to resurrect him. This we learn from Orochimaru, who showed us that your conscious is embedded inside of Senjutsu Chakra. So... IF IF IF IF IF Hashirama has Senjutsu Chakra, his consciousness is ALSO inside of it. I'm not sure what you dont understand about this theory.

3. You asked me, "Do you even know what Senjutsu Chakra is"...?
Uh, hell yes. lol. Its the chakra created from those who learned sage mode, combining Yin/Yang with Nature Chakra. I know your thinking, WHEN DID THE MANGA SAY HASHIRAMA LEARNED SENJUTSU??? LOL. Again, I ask did you read my thread? I said this has not been proven, but it also wasnt proven that Orochimaru had Senjutsu chakra UNTIL KISHI REVEALED IT. And we are talking about the LEADER of the SENJU clan, is it really that hard to assume that he might have learned the technique with his Clans NAME in it?!? Think about it.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Get it through your Head no one but Naruto shall be the Ultimate Hero and Savior and so far no sealed person in the death god stomach has ever return to our plain of reality,are you willing to take His place? cause that may be the only way, a sacrifice.

*Sigh* ...... IS ANYONE READING MY THREAD...?



I already understand that "so far no sealed person in the death god stomach has ever return to our plain of reality", as you say. But, no one has ever been released from Itachi's sealing sword either, UNTIL OROCHIMARU DID IT. So you think that Kishi can provide a way out of the sealing sword but not out of the Death Reaper seal??? And FYI, no "sacrifice" was needed in order to revive Lord Orochimaru. All that was needed is his DNA and consciousness, which is the total point of my thread.

 

[Joon]

Uh.... No.

1. You said that, "Orochimaru was revived through different means and methods".
What do you mean? Orochimaru was revived because Sasuke combined both his "body" (DNA from Kabuto) and "soul" (consciousness from Senjutsu Chakra). This is the EXACT same method I am proposing. I dont understand your complaint here.

2. You said that, "How could you come to the conclusion that Hashirama had Senjutsu (Sage Techniques)? "
But... Did you READ my thread kind sir...? I never said that Hashirama HAD Senjutu Chakra. I said "IF" he does, it can be used to resurrect him. This we learn from Orochimaru, who showed us that your conscious is embedded inside of Senjutsu Chakra. So... IF IF IF IF IF Hashirama has Senjutsu Chakra, his consciousness is ALSO inside of it. I'm not sure what you dont understand about this theory.

3. You asked me, "Do you even know what Senjutsu Chakra is"...?
Uh, hell yes. lol. Its the chakra created from those who learned sage mode, combining Yin/Yang with Nature Chakra. I know your thinking, WHEN DID THE MANGA SAY HASHIRAMA LEARNED SENJUTSU??? LOL. Again, I ask did you read my thread? I said this has not been proven, but it also wasnt proven that Orochimaru had Senjutsu chakra UNTIL KISHI REVEALED IT. And we are talking about the LEADER of the SENJU clan, is it really that hard to assume that he might have learned the technique with his Clans NAME in it?!? Think about it.

I glanced at it and scanned it. I didn't really want to read. It to technical to explain. I'm bad at explaining. I use simple explanations:

1. Sasuke applied a sealing technique upon Anko's neck. [Naruto Chapter 593, Page 6] Wikia explains all:

Orochimaru originally developed the cursed seals through experimentation on Jūgo, whose body naturally produces an enzyme that triggers bodily transformations, on which the cursed seal is based. Like in Jūgo and his clan members, the unrefined enzyme, extracted from him produces rage and madness in those exposed to it, while the cursed seal does not have such deficiency. Similarly, Jūgo is not limited to a single transformation, and can change the advantages of his form to fit the situation. It should also be noted that anyone who survives the application of the cursed seal is "compatible" with Jūgo. This was shown when he was able to transplant some of his flesh to Sasuke.

The cursed seals that are partially made from Orochimaru's chakra, also contain parts of his consciousness, and thus allows him to be revived when combined with a piece of his DNA to utilise the Evil Releasing Method on a host like Anko Mitarashi, Orochimaru can be resurrected completely even if his original body and self were destroyed.

2. I understand everything and I think that is where it complicates things for me. Orochimaru only obtain Senjutsu DNA from Juugo as his clan had the ability to passively absorb natural energy. The Curse Seal was the reason for Orochimaru's resurrection. His consciousness (or Chakra) was imbedded in to the Curse Seal and not Senjutsu.

You still have no proof or evidence to support your claim to say even if Hashirama's has Senjutsu. However, with or without evidence, your theory is still flawed.

3. No, your over-thinking.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

I don't think Hashirama was a Sage. Otherwise it's would of been mentioned in the manga. (I'm sure Naruto's Sage masters would of mentioned the First being a Sage.) If I remember correctly, Lord Fukasaku says that Naruto was the first, in a long time to fully master Senjutsu. But idk, maybe my memory is off.

Something to think about:



1. I didn't think Lord Orochimaru was a Sage either, it was never mentioned in the manga EVER or even alluded to... UNTIL HE WAS RESURRECTED. This shows that it doesnt matter that the manga hasnt reveal this possibility yet.

2. There are THREE LOCATIONS to learn Senjutsu, not just Mt. Moab (toad land). There is the Dragon Cave and the Bone Forest. Kabuto is a Sage and he didn't learn it under the Frogs, CORRECT???

3. Senjutsu comes from the SENJU Clan (i presume). The Senju Clan was known for Mastering 100000s of techniques/jutsus. I dont understand why its so hard to believe that the SENJU Clan LEADER actually knows a technique that has the name of the clan in it. LOL




OK I'm done. (sorry to multi-post, my work CPU doesnt let me have the command to embed them all)

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

I glanced at it and scanned it. I didn't really want to read. It to technical to explain. I'm bad at explaining. I use simple explanations:

1. Sasuke applied a sealing technique upon Anko's neck. [Naruto Chapter 593, Page 6] Wikia explains all:



2. I understand everything and I think that is where it complicates things for me. Orochimaru only obtain Senjutsu DNA from Juugo as his clan had the ability to passively absorb natural energy. The Curse Seal was the reason for Orochimaru's resurrection. His consciousness (or Chakra) was imbedded in to the Curse Seal and not Senjutsu.

You still have no proof or evidence to support your claim to say even if Hashirama's has Senjutsu. However, with or without evidence, your theory is still flawed.

3. No, your over-thinking.

1. You said that, "Sasuke applied a sealing technique upon Anko's neck."
This is not correct. Sasuke used a REVERSAL on the curse seal, he in fact UNsealed the seal that was already there. This is how he released Orochimaru's Senjutsu Chakra that was inside of the curse seal itself. This was needed b/c Orochimaru's conscious is in his chakra, his chakra was inside the curse mark.

2. You said that, "Orochimaru only obtain Senjutsu DNA from Juugo as his clan had the ability to passively absorb natural energy".
This is not correct. Juugo's enzimes were taken, that is all. The enzimes were used to DRAW IN NATURAL CHAKRA, but this "senjutsu chakra" was not Juugos. Juugo's enzimes were used to draw in Natural chakra, this Natural Chakra was then blended with Orochimaru's OWN YIN/YANG Chakra (NOT Juugo's Yin/Yang).

This is how Senjutsu Chakra is created (Sage chakra) by combining YIN Chakra/YANG Chakra/NATURE Chakra. The Yin/Yang used was OROCHIMARUs Chakra. This is why Orochimaru's conscious was inside of the curse mark, because the Senjutsu Chakra had his own YIN/YANG. Furthermore, Orochimaru said it himself, it was HIS SENJUTSU CHAKRA. This means he used Juugo's enzimes to create his own Senjutsu Chakra. He learned how to do it from training directly under the WHITE SNAKE SAGE HIMSELF. This IS Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra, make no mistake.

IF YOUR LOGIC IS TRUE, THEN KABUTO ALSO HAS "JUUGO'S SENJUTSU CHAKRA" AND NOT HIS OWN. Kabuto also uses Juugo's enzimes to be able to draw in Nature Chakra, remember? Are you saying Kabuto has JUUGO'S SENJUTSU CHAKRA?!? NOOOOOO.




OK I'm done. (sorry to multi-post, my work CPU doesnt let me have the command to embed them all)

 

[Takure]

Uh.... No.

3. You asked me, "Do you even know what Senjutsu Chakra is"...?
Uh, hell yes. lol. Its the chakra created from those who learned sage mode, combining Yin/Yang with Nature Chakra. I know your thinking, WHEN DID THE MANGA SAY HASHIRAMA LEARNED SENJUTSU??? LOL. Again, I ask did you read my thread? I said this has not been proven, but it also wasnt proven that Orochimaru had Senjutsu chakra UNTIL KISHI REVEALED IT. And we are talking about the LEADER of the SENJU clan, is it really that hard to assume that he might have learned the technique with his Clans NAME in it?!? Think about it.

So, your whole theory is based on an assumption that Hashirama was a Sage and you've come to that conclusion because Senjutsu and Senju share a similar name?

I'll try and break down the meaning for you. My Japanese isn't to good, but I hope you get the point!
"仙術" literal meaning is "Sage Techniques",
"仙人" meaning sennin, remove the "人" and you get "仙" Sen. You can read "仙" as "Sennin" meaning "Sage". Add "術" meaning "Art" which can also be read as "Technique" to "仙" and you get "仙術" meaning "Sage Art" or "Sage Technique"

"千手"(Senju) meaning "thousand-handed" or "thousand hands".
"千" meaning "Thousand" is Sen. "手" meaning "Hands" is "Te". Now, I'm not exactly sure how this works, but "手" is read as "Ju" when combined with "千". So, add "千" to "手" you get "千手" read as "Senju" that means "thousand-handed" or "thousand hands".


As you can hopefully see, there is no direct relation between either of these words. Both hold totally different meanings.