[Taka's] Dante's list revised (part 1)

[sG Taka]

I already made a thread explaining why Senju should be 1st instead of Uchiha, maybe Dante will read it.

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Anyways, here I am again, to explain why Dante's positioning of the following clans is completely erroneous.

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Hozuki
Sarutobi
Aburame
Yuki
Hyuuga
Akimichi
Uzumaki
Juugo
Nara
Kaguya
Yamanaka
Yotsuki

Really? Really? Is it just me or is this completely wrong. Shouldn't it be more like:

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Uzumaki
Sarutobi
Hozuki
(and the rest, which I will explain later)

Some of the members from different clans can defeat each other, for example, Suigetsu can defeat Konohamaru, but when comparing clans as a whole, taking into consideration all their members, features and accomplishments, I think this list serves pretty well.

Uzumaki:

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The Uzumaki have to be the next on the list after the Uchiha. They are distant relatives of the Senju and have all-mighty shinobi like Nagato and Naruto. Not much is known of the intricate features that the clan has, but it is a fact that they share a considerable portion of the physical strength and "body" of the sage; also, they have amazing sealing techniques and they're known for their ability to control tailed beasts like the Kyuubi. How can this clan be below other clans such as Aburame, Yuki and Akimichi? Please, they have proved themselves to be better than all the other clans, except the Uchiha and the Senju of course.

This is how the their relation with the Senju manifests:
"The members of this clan possessed both incredible longevity and life force.Their longevity can be seen in part through Mito, who lived from long before the founding of Konoha, to well into the term of the Third Hokage's reign. The clan's life force was the reason Kushina survived the extraction of her tailed beast, though she was greatly weakened"

Sarutobi vs the Hozuki

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Let me be the first one to say that Hiruzen is not the "God of Shinobi" and he surely does not know every jutsu out there. He is not:
-the best shinobi in Konoha
-the best Kage
-the best Hokage

However, he is critical to my argument against the Hozuki clan.

The Sarutobi are comprised of Hiruzen Sarutobi, Asuma Sarutobi and Konohamaru Sarutobi, all excellent ninja whose prowess can be sustained by manga features. Hiruzen was the third hokage, a man who was highly skilled in elemental ninjutsu, being able to perform high level techniques of both Earth and Water Release; a man who was able to seal, in a 3v1, the First and Second Hokage along with the arms of Orochimaru. On the other hand we have Asuma, a former member of the Twelve Guardian Ninja, who is greatly skilled in both Wind and Fire nature. Lastly, we have Konohamaru, a Naruto-like student who took on a path of Pain and was able to perform the Rasengan on an early age.

When I was making this, I realized that if someone disagrees, they're main argument is going to be that the Hozuki clan has the Second Mizukage. Well, I believe the Third Hokage beats him, both in battle and features. The Second Mizukage is proficient in genjutsu, has great a summoning , has the Hydrification techinique (native to the Hozuki clan) and died in a battle against Muu, also defeating him.

Finally, the Hozuki clan's representative technique, the Hydrification jutsu, has a major requirement that is shown in two of its members. They need to have a source of water nearby. For example, Suigetsu carries water bottle.

2nd Mizukage vs The Third Hokage

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Their summoning is not a question, Emma would win over the Giant Clam. The Giant Clam's main attack is the mist it creates that serves as a genjutsu because it renders the opponent unable to locate the user or the summoning. The Third Hokage can get through this deceptive mirage, as he defended himself in a more challenging battle against the First and Second Hokage's while under an illusion that had the same, if not a very similar effect to that of the Clam's.

As for the Second Mizukage's Water Release (including Hydrifcation) , Hirzuen also has a counter. He has a better chance at winning in the elemental battle because he not only can perform good Earth Release jutsus (Earth > Water) he fought the best Water Release user out there (explanation and manga facts on the Senju vs Uchiha thread) and was his student! These are the two aspects that the Second Mizukage is leveled with the Hirzuen, other than this, the Third is better than him.

The Hozuki clan, however, posses good features that make them worthy of the third spot on this list. They have a very powerful shinobi, The Second Mizukage, as a member; they have their unique Hydrification technique; one of their members, Magetsu, belonged to the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist and the last one, Suigetsu, possess the sword of Zabuza. We don't know much about Mangetsu, all we know is that he was said to be a gifted swordsman, but there are no actual battles, features or accomplishments -other than the fact that he could wield Samehada- to sustain match him up in a battle.

REFERENCES:

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Naruto chapter 347, page 12
Naruto chapter 523, page 14
Naruto chapter 523, page 15
Naruto chapter 523, page 15
Third Databook, page 159
Naruto chapter 566, page 5
Third Databook, pages 158-159
Naruto chapter 353, page 16
Naruto chapter 523, page 4
Naruto chapter 579, page 10
Naruto chapter 349, page 5
Naruto chapter 567, page 4
Naruto chapter 574, page 4
Naruto chapter 593, pages 7, 15
Naruto chapter 417, page 7
Naruto chapter 355, pages 11-12
Naruto chapter 414
Naruto chapter 347, pages 3-5
Naruto chapter 347, pages 14-15
Naruto chapter 349, page 3
Naruto chapter 414, page 5
Naruto chapter 525, pages 2-3
↑Naruto chapter 556, page 8
Naruto chapter 546, page 10
Naruto chapter 547, page 9
Naruto chapter 557, page 10
Naruto chapter 553, page 8
Naruto chapter 548, page 15
Naruto chapter 552, pages 13-15
Naruto chapter 547, page 3
Naruto chapter 556, page 2
Naruto chapter 557, page 9
Naruto chapter 557, page 17
Naruto chapter 556, page 13
Naruto chapter 558, page 8
Naruto chapter 500, page 3
Naruto chapter 500, page 4
Naruto chapter 579, page 12
Naruto chapter 501, page 11
Naruto chapter 510, page 17
Naruto chapter 533, page 12
Naruto chapter 500, page 11

 

[Punch]

Awesome.

Glad you shut that Dantee down.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

Well explained and analytical. I agree with your ordering as well. The 2nd Mizukage's battle against Muu kind of begs the question of "Can Hiruzen beat Muu as well?" From what we saw during his battle between the Kage and Naruto he is very well gifted and very dangerous. Rep+ regardless.

 

[lol99]

Nice explanation.

 

[Punch]

In other words Taka is one of the only people with common sense on this site.

 

[Uchiha Madara.]

senju = uchiha IMO other then that nice but I hope this wont become a hottest thread too >_>

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

+ rep

 

[AP2k]

But why are people still feeding Dantee?

 

[Narutohokage7]

But why are people still feeding Dantee?

Because Dantees cute and if we don't feed Dantee, Dantee will die.

 

[KILLSASUKEHATERS]

senju only has 1st hokage clan means everybody so if sasuke itachi madara shisu obito was together they would eliminate the senju clan with them only not including the rest of the uchiha clan

 

[sG Taka]

Awesome.

Glad you shut that Dantee down.

Thank you for reading!

Still Uchiha = Senju (Both part of sage Power , Uchiha > Senju in feats)

Other than that , Good Job +rep

We can compromise to that, Senju = Uchiha, not bad. Thanks!

Well explained and analytical. I agree with your ordering as well. The 2nd Mizukage's battle against Muu kind of begs the question of "Can Hiruzen beat Muu as well?" From what we saw during his battle between the Kage and Naruto he is very well gifted and very dangerous. Rep+ regardless.

Yes, that question arises as well. Thanks for reading and agreeing!

In other words Taka is one of the only people with common sense on this site.

Oh well, no, not the only one haha thanks!

senju = uchiha IMO other then that nice but I hope this wont become a hottest thread too >_>

Like I stated earlier, nice compromise!

+ rep

Thank you!

But why are people still feeding Dantee?

Because it's worth it haha because now he's gonna hide behind the "Oh, I was trolling!" or "It was a joke!"

 

[sG Taka]

Because Dantees cute and if we don't feed Dantee, Dantee will die.

never thought of it that way...

senju only has 1st hokage clan means everybody so if sasuke itachi madara shisu obito was together they would eliminate the senju clan with them only not including the rest of the uchiha clan

The debate of Senju vs Uchiha transcends the mere members vs members; and no, the Senju is more than just Hashirama.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

I agree man, nice one. Maybe you shouldn't of brought Dante's name into it though but good job nonetheless.

 

[sG Taka]

I agree man, nice one. Maybe you shouldn't of brought Dante's name into it though but good job nonetheless.

I just hate how he went to my thread and thrashed it, calling it "biased."

 

[Punch]

I just hate how he went to my thread and thrashed it, calling it "biased."

'Cause he's brain dead.

 

[sG Taka]

'Cause he's brain dead.

Guess that's the reason!

 

[Dantee]

Rofl idiot. First of all I don't see why people could ever rank Uzamakis so high. THEY ARE NOT FIGHTERS JESUS CHRIST. NAgato and NAruto?? You really think people in this clan had rinnegan and complete control over Kurama. OMFG. :sy: They are just sealers. WHo ccares if the manga says they were feared. Every clan is feared for something doesn't mean they top other clans. What is long lives and stamina going to do to a clan who aren't ninjas to being with. :sy: :sy: :sy:

Yes Hokzui over Sarutobi. I did not forget about the God of Shinobi trust me. If I seen more from Konohmaru no doubt they would be over. I just wanted to see more from the Sarutobi clan. I also don't understand how you turned it into a Hiruzen vs 2nd Mizu thread rofl!.

All bs aside it's my list and if you don't like it I really really don't care. I can hardly be online so don't bother posting on my vm and making threads about me.

 

[sG Taka]

Rofl idiot. First of all I don't see why people could ever rank Uzamakis so high. THEY ARE NOT FIGHTERS JESUS CHRIST. NAgato and NAruto?? You really think people in this clan had rinnegan and complete control over Kurama. OMFG. :sy: They are just sealers. WHo ccares if the manga says they were feared. Every clan is feared for something doesn't mean they top other clans. What is long lives and stamina going to do to a clan who aren't ninjas to being with. :sy: :sy: :sy:

Yes Hokzui over Sarutobi. I did not forget about the God of Shinobi trust me. If I seen more from Konohmaru no doubt they would be over. I just wanted to see more from the Sarutobi clan. I also don't understand how you turned it into a Hiruzen vs 2nd Mizu thread rofl!.

All bs aside it's my list and if you don't like it I really really don't care. I can hardly be online so don't bother posting on my vm and making threads about me.

It's not about fighting, it's about the clan as a whole. You didn't counter anything, all you did was laugh. People seem to agree way more with me than you, so I would watch it with who you call an idiot.