Neji vs Sasuke

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Can sasuke use chidori nagashi the whole fight? No. And also chidori nagashi is nothing compared to rotation.

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I've coming of base soon but people posting against this have made a big mistake. Where on this thread did anyone say neji beats sasuke??? That is the mistake you have made we said he has good counters and are just making a good discussion.

Sasuke beats neji 7/8 times out of ten for me
He doesn't need 2 keep up chidori nagashi the whole fight he only needs 2 use it when he gets close

Sorry 2 hear that but I'm just trying 2 defend my fav character when he's being understated but sure I'll give u 8/10 with 3 tomoe but EMS sasuke wins 10/10
 

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He doesn't need 2 keep up chidori nagashi the whole fight he only needs 2 use it when he gets close

Sorry 2 hear that but I'm just trying 2 defend my fav character when he's being understated but sure I'll give u 8/10 with 3 tomoe but EMS sasuke wins 10/10
Fanboy alert! If were talking 3T I say sasuke wins 6/10 if were talking MS I say sasuke wins 8/10 he has a lot of downsides and combined with neji's counters it can give neji the upper hand. If were taking EMS and beyond yep 10/10 neji has no chance.
 

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I'd say Sasuke would win too, but he got a major Character Development. Whereas Neji got none. So its obvious Sasuke wins, but Neji can potentially give him a beating. Still amazing how Neji is powerful with no character development ever since the beginning of Shippuden.
^^^this is entirely true
 

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Mind if I back up your thread:

I find this battle very interesting after viewing a few threads and how neji and his byakugan is actually a good counter against sasuke.


Semi - Long thread and for what I am stating it needs to be. If you read the title and don't agree leave now and do not post on this thread sasuke wins or anything like that without even reading what I said. I will report those posts as spam as I have just told you now not to do so now.


I am mostly making this thread for “good read” proposes so if you are bored and want a good read this is for you.

People have said people like kakashi and darui would struggle against EMS sasuke so how the hell can neji coup, but what people forget is neji is also a jounin like kakashi and darui and because of the hyuga's unique abilities as neji is an elite hyuga member he is actually a good match up for sasuke.

As a fan of the naruto series I would like to think that the only people who can stand up to Naruto KM and Sasuke EMS mode from Konoha 11 is Neji, Choji butterfly mode and Lee gates.

Naruto BM is when naruto reaches a whole other level and is when he can no longer be compared with them. The same will be applied if sasuke’s obtains the rinnegan.


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If this battle was to happen in the show for whatever reason sasuke wins hands down because of plot no jutsu. Whether it be karin saving his ass or anyone else from taka sasuke would win.

But I am talking about a complete one on one situation with no one to heal, help or give sasuke a chakra boost. Here are my reasons why neji can defeat sasuke one on one but it would be extreme high difficulty

Let's start with the dangerous threats from sasuke:


Genjutsu:

Would be useless against neji in a one on one against sasuke despite common rule being to run on a one on one situation with an uchiha because of their genjutsus. There are two reason why genjutsu’s would be useless against neji:


1) Neji will not fall under a eye contact genjutsu when it is just him and sasuke


Basic top class shinobi knowledge do not look into the eyes of a sharingan user which means neji does not have to worry about this at all. In a group fight neji may be caught off guard (as seen with A against madara) but on a one on one it is just you and your opponent no distractions. Neji is not hot headed enough to lose his cool and forget this he is also a top class shinob, a jounin, a elite hyuga clan member he will not fall under a genjutsu which just evolves eye contact.


2) Sasuke’s genjutsu is nowhere near the level of itachi’s tsukuyomi


Let's say neji does fall under a genjutsu (highly highly unlikely neji is top class shinobi, a jounin from konoha which would know more about the sharingan then other villages list goes on for reason why he wouldn't on a one on one)
Hyuga have excellent chakra control they are the best candidates to break out of a genjutsu then any other shinobi along with jinjurki's. Lucky for neji sasuke's genjutsu is nothing compared to itachi's tsukuyomi which means neji with his excellent chakra control can break out of it. (My main reason is he want get caught in one)


So I am going to state in a one on one neji will most likely not fall under a genjutsu and if he does he can break out of it. (If this was itachi's no chance neji is done for but once again I don't think he would get into one he is not hot headed and uses his brain)


Amaterasu:


Neji with his byakugan can see all chakra points in the body as well as chakra itself. When a shinobi is going to perform a jutsu the byakugan can see the chakra build up. This means that neji out of anyone else would be able to prepare better for amaterasu. Even better then when A was fast enough to dodge amaterasu by seeing it when it was released from sasuke's eye.


Now that neji knows amaterasu is coming neji can do a number of things to counter it:


1)Heavenly rotation: Elite hyuga members can preform heavenly rotation this will protect neji from amaterasu flames as the flames will burn around the chakra and then disperse as the chakra disperses.


2)Gentle Fist Art One Blow Body: A weaker but quicker and easier to perform defence that will push the flames and anything around neji’s body away.


3)Dodge: As I stated he will know amaterasu is coming before any other shinobi would so he has more time to prepare for his counter, he does not have to be as fast as A or BM naruto as he gets the heads up earlier. Amaterasu was also dodged by sasuke running circles around itachi.


So that is 3 counters against amaterasu in the order that would be most effective and most likely for him to use as he knows amaterasu will be coming.



Susano:


This is neji’s only worry when fighting against sasuke but at the same time neji is also the best candidate to disable sasuke from using susano and I will tell you why.


Susano is the user powerful chakra being released and then being materialised. Neji has the ability to block chakra path ways in the body if neji blocks enough chakra path ways sasuke will not be able to form susano.

This solves the biggest problem with destroying a susano which is if it is destroyed the user can just re-activate susano if he has enough chakra. If neji get’s enough chakra points even if sasuke has enough chakra he will not be able to use it to form susano.


This is great but we all know the main problem is what is neji going to do when susano is active. Well this is the tough part.


Neji will have to be on the defence at this point in the battle but lucky for him sasuke cannot keep susano active forever. With his ultimate defence neji can deflect susano arrows and physical punches and sword attacks from sasuke’s susano. So neji will be defending blocking maybe even hiding but as this is a one on one sasuke cannot keep this active forever.


The only way neji can do enough damage on susano to create a direct opening to sasuke just as danzo did in his battle, is getting close to susano and delivering a direct hit from heavenly rotation. This will break susano enough for neji to have access to sasuke and once this path way is open all neji will have to do is get sasuke in a eight trigrams 64 palms. If he is successful susano will be disabled and will be for a while and sasuke cannot activate susano right away as his chakra flow and path ways will be blocked.


If Neji manages this then it becomes sasuke's kenjutsu and taijutsu vs neji taijutsu


This is the worst case sceniory for sasuke because if he cannot form susano and his chakra path ways are blocked it is basically sasuke’s kenjutsu and taijutsu with his sharingan perception vs neji taijutsu. This is where neji would own sasuke, every blow neji delivers will either block sasuke’s chakra path ways or damage sasuke’s internal organs.


So basically if neji can disables sasuke’s susano via blocking enough of his chakra path ways neji wins. Of course if this battle ever was to happen it would be much harder then I have stated which is why I say extremely high difficultly for neji. Sasuke would probably beat neji 7 times out of 10 but neji defeating sasuke is not impossible, as I have shown in this thread
That is an amazing argument on Neji's side, i only find one or two problems with it. I just dont think Neji's heavenly rotation has the power to deflect a sussano'o arrow. and, if it did remember that Sasuke wouldnt just go one move at a time, he would probably spam the shit out of it. Neji can;t keep up the heavenly rotation forever, and the moment he stopped Amaterasu would probably get him. remember that Sasuke could surround him in it and then use the arrow, if Neji had to move he couldnt. the heavenly rotation would not destroy the flames, just move them which may not work. Also, it's not fair to say any character in the series would not look into the eyes of an uchiha because they know better, no matter what skill level they are at. everyone has slip ups. I'm not Being A Sasuke fanboy here, and i'm not saying its impossible, just wanted to fill in some holes you left and i will admit if Neji won it'd be very high diff
 

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Fanboy alert! If were talking 3T I say sasuke wins 6/10 if were talking MS I say sasuke wins 8/10 he has a lot of downsides and combined with neji's counters it can give neji the upper hand. If were taking EMS and beyond yep 10/10 neji has no chance.
I am a fanboy n proud of it so what doesn't change the fact that sasuke would win with 3 tomoe sharingan. Sasuke can predict his movement b4 he even does something he can even fight long distance with chidori sharp spear n if somehow neji gets close he can simply use chidori nagashi
 

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The only time I see Neji beating Sasuke is if Sasuke is blind, even then it would be with high difficulty.
Trololololo Sasuke is not have a good enough hearing and smell sensory to defeat neji blind folded, plus an uchiha's strength is all in there eyes.

I am a fanboy n proud of it so what doesn't change the fact that sasuke would win with 3 tomoe sharingan. Sasuke can predict his movement b4 he even does something he can even fight long distance with chidori sharp spear n if somehow neji gets close he can simply use chidori nagashi
True spear ain't touching neji, chidori nagashi is nothing compared to heavenly rotation. Plus if you wanna talk long rang neji has neji tools plus air palms.

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But at the end of the day guys no one is saying neji wins we are just noting his surprisingly good counters and how the fight would be interesting.

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That is an amazing argument on Neji's side, i only find one or two problems with it. I just dont think Neji's heavenly rotation has the power to deflect a sussano'o arrow. and, if it did remember that Sasuke wouldnt just go one move at a time, he would probably spam the shit out of it. Neji can;t keep up the heavenly rotation forever, and the moment he stopped Amaterasu would probably get him. remember that Sasuke could surround him in it and then use the arrow, if Neji had to move he couldnt. the heavenly rotation would not destroy the flames, just move them which may not work. Also, it's not fair to say any character in the series would not look into the eyes of an uchiha because they know better, no matter what skill level they are at. everyone has slip ups. I'm not Being A Sasuke fanboy here, and i'm not saying its impossible, just wanted to fill in some holes you left and i will admit if Neji won it'd be very high diff
Yh all those reasons is exactly why sasuke wins 8 times out of 10. Not EMS sasuke though he wins 10/10
 
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Sasuke wins mid difficulty.

I think Neji is underrated due to getting zero usage in part two. But he's still an awesome fighter. However, at the end of the day it's freaking Sasuke. He's faster, stronger, and probably smarter. He'll make his super long chidori blade and slice Neji in half from far away.
 

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Yes I really want neji to get more screen time but there is no possible way Neji has the speed feats to Rotate before the Susanoo Arrow hits him. The Susanoo Arrow shows to many speed feats.
 

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Mind if I back up your thread:

I find this battle very interesting after viewing a few threads and how neji and his byakugan is actually a good counter against sasuke.


Semi - Long thread and for what I am stating it needs to be. If you read the title and don't agree leave now and do not post on this thread sasuke wins or anything like that without even reading what I said. I will report those posts as spam as I have just told you now not to do so now.


I am mostly making this thread for “good read” proposes so if you are bored and want a good read this is for you.

People have said people like kakashi and darui would struggle against EMS sasuke so how the hell can neji coup, but what people forget is neji is also a jounin like kakashi and darui and because of the hyuga's unique abilities as neji is an elite hyuga member he is actually a good match up for sasuke.

As a fan of the naruto series I would like to think that the only people who can stand up to Naruto KM and Sasuke EMS mode from Konoha 11 is Neji, Choji butterfly mode and Lee gates.

Naruto BM is when naruto reaches a whole other level and is when he can no longer be compared with them. The same will be applied if sasuke’s obtains the rinnegan.


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If this battle was to happen in the show for whatever reason sasuke wins hands down because of plot no jutsu. Whether it be karin saving his ass or anyone else from taka sasuke would win.

But I am talking about a complete one on one situation with no one to heal, help or give sasuke a chakra boost. Here are my reasons why neji can defeat sasuke one on one but it would be extreme high difficulty

Let's start with the dangerous threats from sasuke:


Genjutsu:

Would be useless against neji in a one on one against sasuke despite common rule being to run on a one on one situation with an uchiha because of their genjutsus. There are two reason why genjutsu’s would be useless against neji:


1) Neji will not fall under a eye contact genjutsu when it is just him and sasuke


Basic top class shinobi knowledge do not look into the eyes of a sharingan user which means neji does not have to worry about this at all. In a group fight neji may be caught off guard (as seen with A against madara) but on a one on one it is just you and your opponent no distractions. Neji is not hot headed enough to lose his cool and forget this he is also a top class shinob, a jounin, a elite hyuga clan member he will not fall under a genjutsu which just evolves eye contact.


2) Sasuke’s genjutsu is nowhere near the level of itachi’s tsukuyomi


Let's say neji does fall under a genjutsu (highly highly unlikely neji is top class shinobi, a jounin from konoha which would know more about the sharingan then other villages list goes on for reason why he wouldn't on a one on one)
Hyuga have excellent chakra control they are the best candidates to break out of a genjutsu then any other shinobi along with jinjurki's. Lucky for neji sasuke's genjutsu is nothing compared to itachi's tsukuyomi which means neji with his excellent chakra control can break out of it. (My main reason is he want get caught in one)


So I am going to state in a one on one neji will most likely not fall under a genjutsu and if he does he can break out of it. (If this was itachi's no chance neji is done for but once again I don't think he would get into one he is not hot headed and uses his brain)


Amaterasu:


Neji with his byakugan can see all chakra points in the body as well as chakra itself. When a shinobi is going to perform a jutsu the byakugan can see the chakra build up. This means that neji out of anyone else would be able to prepare better for amaterasu. Even better then when A was fast enough to dodge amaterasu by seeing it when it was released from sasuke's eye.


Now that neji knows amaterasu is coming neji can do a number of things to counter it:


1)Heavenly rotation: Elite hyuga members can preform heavenly rotation this will protect neji from amaterasu flames as the flames will burn around the chakra and then disperse as the chakra disperses.


2)Gentle Fist Art One Blow Body: A weaker but quicker and easier to perform defence that will push the flames and anything around neji’s body away.


3)Dodge: As I stated he will know amaterasu is coming before any other shinobi would so he has more time to prepare for his counter, he does not have to be as fast as A or BM naruto as he gets the heads up earlier. Amaterasu was also dodged by sasuke running circles around itachi.


So that is 3 counters against amaterasu in the order that would be most effective and most likely for him to use as he knows amaterasu will be coming.



Susano:


This is neji’s only worry when fighting against sasuke but at the same time neji is also the best candidate to disable sasuke from using susano and I will tell you why.


Susano is the user powerful chakra being released and then being materialised. Neji has the ability to block chakra path ways in the body if neji blocks enough chakra path ways sasuke will not be able to form susano.

This solves the biggest problem with destroying a susano which is if it is destroyed the user can just re-activate susano if he has enough chakra. If neji get’s enough chakra points even if sasuke has enough chakra he will not be able to use it to form susano.


This is great but we all know the main problem is what is neji going to do when susano is active. Well this is the tough part.


Neji will have to be on the defence at this point in the battle but lucky for him sasuke cannot keep susano active forever. With his ultimate defence neji can deflect susano arrows and physical punches and sword attacks from sasuke’s susano. So neji will be defending blocking maybe even hiding but as this is a one on one sasuke cannot keep this active forever.


The only way neji can do enough damage on susano to create a direct opening to sasuke just as danzo did in his battle, is getting close to susano and delivering a direct hit from heavenly rotation. This will break susano enough for neji to have access to sasuke and once this path way is open all neji will have to do is get sasuke in a eight trigrams 64 palms. If he is successful susano will be disabled and will be for a while and sasuke cannot activate susano right away as his chakra flow and path ways will be blocked.


If Neji manages this then it becomes sasuke's kenjutsu and taijutsu vs neji taijutsu


This is the worst case sceniory for sasuke because if he cannot form susano and his chakra path ways are blocked it is basically sasuke’s kenjutsu and taijutsu with his sharingan perception vs neji taijutsu. This is where neji would own sasuke, every blow neji delivers will either block sasuke’s chakra path ways or damage sasuke’s internal organs.


So basically if neji can disables sasuke’s susano via blocking enough of his chakra path ways neji wins. Of course if this battle ever was to happen it would be much harder then I have stated which is why I say extremely high difficultly for neji. Sasuke would probably beat neji 7 times out of 10 but neji defeating sasuke is not impossible, as I have shown in this thread
+rep for really explaining
 

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Trololololo Sasuke is not have a good enough hearing and smell sensory to defeat neji blind folded, plus an uchiha's strength is all in there eyes.



True spear ain't touching neji, chidori nagashi is nothing compared to heavenly rotation. Plus if you wanna talk long rang neji has neji tools plus air palms.

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But at the end of the day guys no one is saying neji wins we are just noting his surprisingly good counters and how the fight would be interesting.

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Yh all those reasons is exactly why sasuke wins 8 times out of 10. Not EMS sasuke though he wins 10/10
Y is true spear touching him plus i meant sasuke can use chidori nagashi against neji taijutsu. Sasuke can dodge air palm because he can c chakra but tho I agree with you their fight would b epic :D (3 tomoe only tho EMS is just 2 much n the fight would b over 2 soon xD)
 

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so what about that long chidori sword that sasuke has, what if he just slices neji in half with that?

Neji can forget about Taijutsu against Sasuke. Sasuke is at least as fast as Lee without his weights, plus he has EMS to see all of Neji's attacks coming. Sasuke would pull some matrix shit against Neji lol.
 

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Dammit how could I miss this thread!?! DX


Anyways against the ganjutsu point, Neji could just simply close his eyes and rely on his byakugan vision to fight. They do not need their eyes to be open to see and would nullify the eye contact requirements for the sharingan genjutsu.

Pretty much every other point mentioned by The hidden shinobi and a few others have pretty much covered anything else I wanted to say, though if people need an explanation as to how powerful rotation really is, then give me a call. :)
 

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Those strings Sasuke used to wrap up Orochimaru in the forest of death and also to wrap up Naruto at VotE would nullify Rotation. It has already been shown that string/ropes wrap him up if he uses it(vs Kidomaro), hence he needs to go with 64 palm strikes to defend himself if he does that. When that happens, Sasuke can just use a katon technique and won.
 

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Those strings Sasuke used to wrap up Orochimaru in the forest of death and also to wrap up Naruto at VotE would nullify Rotation. It has already been shown that string/ropes wrap him up if he uses it(vs Kidomaro), hence he needs to go with 64 palm strikes to defend himself if he does that. When that happens, Sasuke can just use a katon technique and won.
Actually, the only reason why kidomaru could stop the rotation was because his webs were made of very sticky substances that actually attached to the rotating chakra itself and physically halted it to stop its rotation. Regular wire/ropes wouldnt hold it and only cause friction against the chakra sphere.
 

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Even though Susanoo is pure defense and stuff, Byakugan is said to see "opening spots" and "blind spots" of opponents.
So even if Neji is distanced from Sasuke by the means of Susanoo, he can use Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm and Byakugan to get an opening
How can he create himself an opening? Najis techniques dont stand a chance to get through Susanoo.
Even if black flames comes close enough to Neji, he is able to counter with Palms Rotation or Gentle Fist Body Blow.
Amaterasu appears on target, not fly to it. Although Neji has some chance if he start to ratate before Sasuke will execute his technique.
Susano arrow neji can deflect it with a full powered to rotation
Only if he manage to make Kaiten before arrow will hit him.
Susanoo Arrow he can dodge since he has Byakugan Kakashi said it self, Byakugan is better than Sharingan in vision, so Neji would react fast enough.
Wrong. Byakugan has wider field of vision and can see through solid objects, thats all there is to it. It cant predict movements / techniques, thats Sharingan ability. If Kakashi, who had better eye for this type of attack and is faster than Neji couldnt dodge it, then Neji dont really stand a chance. And Sasukes arrows are so fast that he wont be able to ratate himself enough in order to deflect it.
 

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Sasuke wins low difficulty IMO. Too tired right now to give my reasons as to why, so I'll explain later. All I will say is that Neji engaging in close combat with Sasuke isn't very smart.
 

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Impressive thread. You've made quite a few interesting points, and for the most part you have a compelling argument, so +Rep. However, as you also correctly pointed out, the biggest advantage Sasuke currently has against Neji is character development. If you were comparing Part I Sasuke and Neji, this would be a flawless argument, as even Kakashi pointed out that Sasuke would be no match for him. It's a bit tougher to prove your theory in Part II though, mainly because their entire battle (if it were to be in Neji's favor), depends solely on Neji being able to get into close enough contact with Sasuke to disable his Chakra Network with his Gentle Fist Style. Here are a few counter-arguments to The Hidden Shinobi's Back Up Points:

Genjutsu:
While Neji is certainly more than smart enough to avert his gaze from looking directly into Sasuke's Sharingan, genjutsu actually wouldn't be necessary for Sasuke to use in the first place. Due to the Sharingan's amazing clarity of perception, if the match were to start at close range, or if Neji was able to get close enough to hit Sasuke with Gentle Fist, it's more than likely that he could miss; due to the predictive abilities of the Sharingan, Sasuke would see Neji's strikes before he'd make them, giving him time to block/dodge the hits, just as he was able to read Naruto's movements during their battle at the Valley of the End in Part I; the only thing he wasn't able to completely predict was the Fox Shroud, which Neji lacks. So in terms of One-On-One Taijutsu, Sasuke does have a small advantage, courtesy of his Kekkai Genkai. The same would also apply for Neji's long range techniques, since again, Sasuke would see it before it happened.

Amaterasu:
Neji may have the ability to see chakra being built up for Amaterasu, but that doesn't mean he knows precisely where it'll hit/strike. I'm sure you've noticed that A didn't teleport before he saw Amaterasu, but rather after he confirmed with his eyes where Sasuke was directing it (i.e. his face). In a similar vein, the Chakra being built up could be used for almost any jutsu, Neji would have no way of knowing exactly what it'd be, though he'd most likely assume it'd be a Fire or Lighting Release Technique, and that slip-up could potentially cost him the match.

Susano'o:
From what I gathered, the focal point of Neji getting around Susano'o is merely forcing Sasuke to exert all of his chakra and stamina, and then go on an all-out offensive once he's reached exhaustion. However, we're dealing with 2 extremely strategic shinobi here, and either of them would figure out such a simple strategy the instant they see it in motion. Furthermore, it would be wise to realize that Sasuke does possess a rather large chakra reserve; much greater than Neji's, I'd assume. And with Neji consistently on the defensive, using Rotation to counter Susano'o's constant barrage of attacks, his chakra will suffer substantially as well. Hiding is futile, since the Sharingan can distinguish and assess chakra, as Sasuke pointed out in his battle with Deidara. It also gives Sasuke the upper hand since he'd be able to tell when Neji starts running out of stamina. From an offensive standpoint, Neji is again at a disadvantage; Kakashi and Danzo could only evade Susano'o's arrows due to Kamui and Izanagi; simply 'dodging' the arrows is impossible, or at least highly unlikely, or they would've done so instead of using such chakra-taxing techniques.

To sum things up, the lack of Character Development is truly what hurts Neji's chances in the long run - Sasuke outmatches him in chakra reserves. techniques (power-wise), & speed, important elements in battle that Neji has only shown modest increases in (At least from what I've seen/read in the Anime/Manga). In Part I, Neji definitely would've dominated - but as of now, I'd have to say Sasuke takes this match [Mid-Difficulty].
 
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