Misconceptions about Kakashi's Kamui

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EDIT: I've included links to manga pages here on NarutoBase, in case the images for some reason don't work for you. They work for some and don't work for others, I really don't know what's going on. :p

Well, since both Kakashi and his Kamui are deeply involved in current manga, we see more and more people discussing it. Still, too many of them seem to forget about several things and then complain about Kishi being troll because of Kakashi's recent feats.

So this thread is to clear several misconceptions.


Misconception 1: "At the beginning of Part II, Kakashi was only able to use Kamui two times before landing in a hospital for a week"

I've even heard a version saying one Kamui was enough for that. In both cases, here's the proof that Kakashi used Kamui 3 times during the events with Deidara.

Here Kakashi uses Kamui for the first time and rips Deidara's arm off:
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Here Kakashi uses Kamui for the second time, right after the previous one, this time missing entirely (but Kamui was still used):
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Third time is Kakashi kamuing Deidara's clone explosion:
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All in all, even at the beginning of Part I Kakashi could use kamui 3 times.



Misconception 2: "Kakashi couldn't run after using a single simple kamui on Susanoo's arrow."

It's true that Kakashi couldn't run properly a moment after using kamui in this situation. HOWEVER, most people don't notice that Sasuke's Susanoo shot two arrows one above, and little behind, another.
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This means that Kakashi either used Kamui big enough to warp both arrows or used Kamui twice. We cannot know which of these two took place, but Kakashi definitely had to waste more chakra than in case Sasuke had launched only one arrow.



Misconception 3: "Kamui can miss and/or be countered with speed."

Not brought into discussion as often as the two above, but still happens fairly frequently.
People almost always use the fact that Deidara escaped Kamui as the argument:
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But, there are several things indicating it's no longer the case with current Kakashi.
Here Kakashi states he hasn't yet mastered Kamui:
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In every next situation Kakashi uses Kamui he never missed. People sometimes bring up Tobi or Gedo Mazo as an example of Kamui missing, but it's a whole different situation - Tobi stopped Kamui done both on him and Gedo Mazo, which is confirmed by Kakashi:
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When it comes to countering Kamui with speed, it's not possible, as seen with the case of warping away Naruto's kage bunshin. Tobi, even with insight capability of the Sharingan (which rendered Guy's attacks useless), was not able to see Kakashi kamuing Naruto's clone right before a stake was launched:
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This is further confirmed by Tobi, who claimed Kakashi's Kamui was too fast:
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With this, we can clearly see that Kamui became 100% instant.

Aaand that's it for now.
 
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Good thread
 

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Nice thread man.
 

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Nice thread but the pics didn't work for me.

Really? That's weird. o_o
I didn't use NarutoBase manga for it but mangareader. But I don't see how this could be the reason...
 

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yeah good thread but i cant see any of the pictures/evidence that you posted and +rep
 

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I already know this, but people will still try to downgrade Kamui cuz it's hard for them to believe that Kakashi has gotten stronger :)
 

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the pics work


good thread. kakashis kamui is instantaneous when used properly
 

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yeah good thread but i cant see any of the pictures/evidence that you posted and +rep

Hmm... I will try changing them to pages from NarutoBase in a moment, maybe that will work. Sorry for this. :p And thanks for +rep! :)
 

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thanks for the ideas +rep for the effort
 

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Really? That's weird. o_o
I didn't use NarutoBase manga for it but mangareader. But I don't see how this could be the reason...

Its just me. I can't view Manga from Mangareader for some reason.
 

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Alright, in case any of you don't see the images for some reason, I've included links to these pages on NarutoBase, right beneath the images themselves. :D
 

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I can see the pics very well, but if other people can't see them, you can simply copy the url of the pics coming from narutobase and post them and it should be ok
 

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Perople in the US cannot view Mangareader pages.
 

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I can see the pics very well, but if other people can't see them, you can simply copy the url of the pics coming from narutobase and post them and it should be ok
Perople in the US cannot view Mangareader pages.

Hmm... true, if it's all people from US that cannot see mangareader pages, then I guess that will be much better... but I'll do it later, because I have to go for now. xd
 

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EDIT: I've included links to manga pages here on NarutoBase, in case the images for some reason don't work for you. They work for some and don't work for others, I really don't know what's going on. :p

Well, since both Kakashi and his Kamui are deeply involved in current manga, we see more and more people discussing it. Still, too many of them seem to forget about several things and then complain about Kishi being troll because of Kakashi's recent feats.

So this thread is to clear several misconceptions.


Misconception 1: "At the beginning of Part II, Kakashi was only able to use Kamui two times before landing in a hospital for a week"

I've even heard a version saying one Kamui was enough for that. In both cases, here's the proof that Kakashi used Kamui 3 times during the events with Deidara.

Here Kakashi uses Kamui for the first time and rips Deidara's arm off:
You must be registered for see images

Here Kakashi uses Kamui for the second time, right after the previous one, this time missing entirely (but Kamui was still used):
You must be registered for see images

Third time is Kakashi kamuing Deidara's clone explosion:
You must be registered for see images


All in all, even at the beginning of Part I Kakashi could use kamui 3 times.



Misconception 2: "Kakashi couldn't run after using a single simple kamui on Susanoo's arrow."

It's true that Kakashi couldn't run properly a moment after using kamui in this situation. HOWEVER, most people don't notice that Sasuke's Susanoo shot two arrows one above, and little behind, another.
You must be registered for see images

This means that Kakashi either used Kamui big enough to warp both arrows or used Kamui twice. We cannot know which of these two took place, but Kakashi definitely had to waste more chakra than in case Sasuke had launched only one arrow.



Misconception 3: "Kamui can miss and/or be countered with speed."

Not brought into discussion as often as the two above, but still happens fairly frequently.
People almost always use the fact that Deidara escaped Kamui as the argument:
You must be registered for see images

But, there are several things indicating it's no longer the case with current Kakashi.
Here Kakashi states he hasn't yet mastered Kamui:
You must be registered for see images

In every next situation Kakashi uses Kamui he never missed. People sometimes bring up Tobi or Gedo Mazo as an example of Kamui missing, but it's a whole different situation - Tobi stopped Kamui done both on him and Gedo Mazo, which is confirmed by Kakashi:
You must be registered for see images

When it comes to countering Kamui with speed, it's not possible, as seen with the case of warping away Naruto's kage bunshin. Tobi, even with insight capability of the Sharingan (which rendered Guy's attacks useless), was not able to see Kakashi kamuing Naruto's clone right before a stake was launched:
You must be registered for see images

This is further confirmed by Tobi, who claimed Kakashi's Kamui was too fast:
You must be registered for see images

With this, we can clearly see that Kamui became 100% instant.

Aaand that's it for now.



great thread but you forgot this example and Kunais dont travel slowly just try to throw a knife so how fast that goes and you will see
 
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