What Madara actually said (in the official VIZ scan) was:
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- He could be referring to the past tense ("only Hashirama could ever defeat me [in my lifetime]")
- The only person who'd stand a chance against him now would be Shodai
People will interpret that page in different ways. In any case, Madara is not omniscient; he does not know everyone ninja who ever existed (e.g. BM Naruto), so he's in no position to be making such a claim. Why any one would listen to what Dan said I do not know, because Dan is not aware of all of Edo Madara's powerups. To him, it may very well be just EMS Madara (No Rinnegan or Mokuton), and since Hashirama already defeated EMS Madara once, it was the logic choice to make (for Dan) when discussing who could stop Madara.
All in all, the only one who can defeat Edo Madara (Kabuto and ET excluded) is Obito.
+rep.. Thank you. I never saw that translation before. But there are still people who think ONLY hashirama can beat Rinnegan immortal madara. like the person under this response.
What does Onoki saying he's the only one who can stop Muu in the allied shinobi forces have to do with Madara? Is Madara on the allied shinobi forces? No. He wasn't even on the battlefield at the time. And Naruto/Bee weren't a part of the war either.
Please read the OP, because you are not making since. I didnt even say onoki said he was the only one who could beat Muu. Muu said Onoki was the only one who could defeat him and the allied forces said the same thing.
The guy is immortal, only sealing techniques could affect him and no one alive possesses such skill in sealing techs anymore. I really enjoyed your thread though. His power scale surpasses that of everyone else, by far.
You didn't read xd, it was giving the example of muu only being able to lose to Oonki similar to how Hashirama isn't the only person who can't defeat madara
I've been saying this for awhile, it never sinks in.
People seem to take Madara's words and 100% undeniable facts.
all 3 statments you've shown (Dan/Madara/Muu) are all their opinions and not fact, Yet We know Muu's statment is wrong when he got trolled by naruto.
Dan's statment was wrong because he doesn't know of current madara's improvements Nor the state of every living shinobi, he was just going of the myth of madara and the fact that hashirama was the only person to ever defeat him during his life time.
All in all good thread, but sadly it wont change the Madara/hashirama fanboys.
i don't know why you are trying waaaay too hard to look smart or look like you figured something out some stuff in the manga are just simple and clear (no need to try to be a smart ass ... its silly) madara said that only hashirama can stop him so that means that the only one who stands a chance against madara is hashi .... no buts or silly assumptions please stuff like that is there to show the level madara and hashi were on (far above the characters we see right now) and its that simple U_U
i don't know why you are trying waaaay too hard to look smart or look like you figured something out some stuff in the manga are just simple and clear (no need to try to be a smart ass ... its silly) madara said that only hashirama can stop him so that means that the only one who stands a chance against madara is hashi .... no buts or silly assumptions please stuff like that is there to show the level madara and hashi were on (far above the characters we see right now) and its that simple U_U
So basically you are saying that my thread is pointless. But thats not really a logical thing to say because i am simply stating my opinion, which is what is encouraged on this site. So you are against "NarutoBases" purpose, which makes me wonder why are you even on the site. From what you say we should just read the manga and have no opinion of what we read and we should also not express our opinion. Im not a drone and i will continue to express my opinion until the Mods on this site ban me because opinions are no longer aloud.
naruto didnt solo mu. he had help from gaara. madara is the strongest as of now and he says that hashirama can beat him so hashirama is above everyone else also using common sense and kishis implications. hashirama isnt a piece of shit that would lose to naruto when the person that is weaker than him beats him. thats fail logic. edo madara at the height of his power is ems madara since edo madaras full power is perfect susano which is also ems madaras full power. there is no difference between edo madara and ems madara except edo. madara only uses rinnegan and mokuton against people who arent worthy of perfect susano and hashirama beat perfect susano. most people on this forum fail to comprehend kishis implications properly then get butthurt when you use his implications for a character in a debate.
There is alot of Madara-ism, on the base which revolves arould the fact that madara is unbeatable. The main reason that it is believed that madara is unbeatable is because it was stated that only hashirma can defeat him.
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And the crazy thing is that it wasnt just said once, but twice by two diffrent sources
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Now some of us are weary of this claim because it seems that hashirama's powers are no where near the level of madara's. Well I have found reason to believe that the claims that Madara and Dan made were not nessasarly true. First im gonna use someone else as an example then i will come back to madara. But lets take a look at Muu. When it came to Mu people were spewing the same non-sense. First the allied forces claim him as unbeatable:
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Then he himself said only onoki could defeat him:
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Momentarily i was confused because i remembered that Muu was defeated twice
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And neither of the people who defeated him was Onoki.
The first person to defeat muu was Naruto with his planetary rasengan. Then gaara sealed him, but he split right before getting sealed.
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The second and final blow was when the raikage punched the s#!t out of him and knocked him out until the edo tensien was ended.
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So there in Muu's case we have seen that, it was said that only one person could defeat him, but he was actually defeated by 2 separate people. I feel like this also implies to Madara. Madara and Dan both feel as if the 1st hokage is the only one to defeat him but obviously they dont know about the talent of the new generation.
And also remember
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, if madara didnt have Rinnegan he would have been trumped by Naruto and Gaara.
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All this thread is basically trying to do is inform the base that just because madara says hashirama is the only one who can beat him doesnt mean that is true. As i just showed you with Muu. Now i know there are those who will take the evidence i have given with Muu and not apply it to madara for reasons beyond me. But let me assure you that i have proven that just because you read something in the manga (spoken from a character) does not make it true.
Actually Muu wasnt really defeated by Naruto. He split and survived being hit by the rasengan. Secondly Raikage only defeated a 50% Muu who couldnt use his dust release techs.
Actually Muu wasnt really defeated by Naruto. He split and survived being hit by the rasengan. Secondly Raikage only defeated a 50% Muu who couldnt use his dust release techs.
I think the best response to this thread is what shikaku told ino- shika-cho. legends from the past are often exaggerated, but eventually someone outdoes them and new legends are born. so until madara is beat only hashi can beat him
well, yes. if Hashirama only could defeat Madara and that was an absolute statement, then they would have to come up with a way to release Hashirama.... but other than that, it is pretty darn obvious that the man is sickly powerful! still an egotistical megalomaniac, but with the firepower to make a point.
we know nothing about that fight since we didnt see it. the field around them wasnt destroyed so i assume madara just caught them off guard with genjutsu as soon as he got there. only onoki was seen having any battle damage and hes the most scared of madaras genjutsu. so obviously he broke out. and we dont know muus level back then. he was in his prime when tobirama was alive.
kishi himself said that madara doesnt have any weakness ;/
muu fought three people. so in 1 vs 1, the statement holds true. onoki is the only one who can fight muu face to face by himself and hope to win among the alliance who didnt know yet how good naruto was with control over kurama. just like madara didnt know how good he is.
some stuff in the manga are just simple and clear (no need to try to be a smart ass ... its silly) madara said that only hashirama can stop him so that means that the only one who stands a chance against madara is hashi .... no buts or silly assumptions please 
