Itachi would have a hard time to put Kakashi or Gai in a genjutsu

[Bogard]

Everyone knows there stronger than them two, Itachi lit Nagato up with Amaterasu in no time. Itachi was just betta than bee like he is against these two, he appeared behind bee multiple times without his knowledge and since he faster than Kakashi the same thing will happen. Crow Genjutsu how do they avoid it?

Unless you show me an original list created by Kishimoto himself all top strongest character we create here in NB are just opinions. For example you say that Bee is faster than Kakashi, that again is your opinion, and i hardly disagree with that especially after i've seen him able to follow Gai in gates, or even V2 Jinchurikis(even KM Naruto had difficulties against them before) during his fight against Tailed Beast. Even if Bee was faster(what i highly doubt especially in base mode) i don't think there is a great gap in speed, and the same goes between Bee and Itachi.

I don't even know why you try to make these comparison when we already have seen that Kakashi was able to follow Itachis speed in part. Anyway Nagato wasn't even trying to fight Itachi and have you even notice the distance? Don't know which crow genjutsu you're talking about. If you're talking about the crow he used to put Naruto in a genjutsu before the fight against Sasuke, it was simply Shisui eye, and he only had one eye from Shisui which he doesn't even have anymore right now

As for the thread, its fails. Gai counter is for sharingan genjutsu only. Any genjutsu that is seal based or sound based makes a mockery of this strategy and who wants me to upload a manga chaper or a db quote which states that itachi's genjutsu ability isnt limited to the sharingan.

Where have i stated they could counter sound genjutsu? I've said they could counter Itachis genjutsu. Didn't knew Itachi had sound genjutsu now..

Kakashi hasnt mastered this strategy btw. Fighting a clone who cannot even use ms technique's whether because of the chakra poured into it isnt enough or whatever reason doesnt mean kakashi can now do what gai has achieved after years

What is MS changing in the fact they could avoid eye contact? Tsukiyomi isn't an eye genjutsu right now? Now Itachi can use tsukiyomi with his body?

 

[YellowFang]

Sure, people like Kakashi and Gai aren't easy prey for high tier like Itachi, too....

 

[Blaze Release]

Not going to delegate too much time here. Gai and kakashi are nothing more than finger food. Evading eye contact due to sharingan genjutsu would make them live slightly longer than they would have. However gai's counter is eye based genjutsu where he doesnt look into itachi's eye. That doesnt mean that itachi cannot try and gain eye contact. Or use seal based genjutsu and tbh i can see somebody like gai falling for the genjutsu that naruto fell for.

As for your theory on ms gaining resistance to tsukuyomi, perhaps howevr kakashi still doesnt meet the requirements and he knows this enough to warn chiyo, but also decided to use gai's counter along with clones

 

[Champ]

Every opponent that he has faced genjutsu has been applied one way or another and this doesnt exclude the totsuka sword which leaves the opponent in a genjutsu state.

As for the thread, its fails. Gai counter is for sharingan genjutsu only. Any genjutsu that is seal based or sound based makes a mockery of this strategy and who wants me to upload a manga chaper or a db quote which states that itachi's genjutsu ability isnt limited to the sharingan.

Kakashi hasnt mastered this strategy btw. Fighting a clone who cannot even use ms technique's whether because of the chakra poured into it isnt enough or whatever reason doesnt mean kakashi can now do what gai has achieved after years

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Unless you show me an original list created by Kishimoto himself all top strongest character we create here in NB are just opinions. For example you say that Bee is faster than Kakashi, that again is your opinion, and i hardly disagree with that especially after i've seen him able to follow Gai in gates, or even V2 Jinchurikis(even KM Naruto had difficulties against them before) during his fight against Tailed Beast. Even if Bee was faster(what i highly doubt especially in base mode) i don't think there is a great gap in speed, and the same goes between Bee and Itachi.

I don't even know why you try to make these comparison when we already have seen that Kakashi was able to follow Itachis speed in part. Anyway Nagato wasn't even trying to fight Itachi and have you even notice the distance? Don't know which crow genjutsu you're talking about. If you're talking about the crow he used to put Naruto in a genjutsu before the fight against Sasuke, it was simply Shisui eye, and he only had one eye from Shisui which he doesn't even have anymore right now

Ok well lets use ur top 15 list and it has Bee above Kakashi. I never said bee was faster than Kakashi I said Itachi was. Sasuke dodge 3 tails bee I Know Kakashi could, When Obito made the Jinchuuriki stopped playin around with Kakashi & Guy they where bout to be killed but Naruto saved them, when did Itachi and Kakashi fight in part two besides that clone he sent out?
Crow/Finger Genjutsu

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[Bogard]

Ok well lets use ur top 15 list and it has Bee above Kakashi. I never said bee was faster than Kakashi I said Itachi was. Sasuke dodge 3 tails bee I Know Kakashi could, When Obito made the Jinchuuriki stopped playin around with Kakashi & Guy they where bout to be killed but Naruto saved them, when did Itachi and Kakashi fight in part two besides that clone he sent out?

I don't really understand what you try to explain but about Itachi, yes i'm exactly talking about Itachis clone who contrary to the popular belief was only restricted by chakra

Crow/Finger Genjutsu

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Like i've said the crow genjutsu you're talking about was Shisuis eye what he doesn't even have anymore(he burnt it)

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I think this finger genjutsu is overrated. It's not because he put a weakling an inexperimented Naruto in this genjutsu(who almost even managed to break it), that it would have worked against much more experimented and stronger ninjas who could control their chakra very well, not even to mention Kakashis case(cuz Sharingan will see through it easily)

 

[Simple Math]

i think so..

 

[Champ]

I don't really understand what you try to explain but about Itachi, yes i'm exactly talking about Itachis clone who contrary to the popular belief was only restricted by chakra
Like i've said the crow genjutsu you're talking about was Shisuis eye what he doesn't even have anymore(he burnt it)
I think this finger genjutsu is overrated. It's not because he put a weakling an inexperimented Naruto in this genjutsu, that it would have worked against much more experimented and stronger ninjas who could control their chakra very well, not even to mention Kakashis case(cuz Sharingan will see through it easily)

How could a 30 percent clones be compared to the real Itachi, who didn't even try to go all out and MS was restricted. Itachi is dead but you still bringin him up so we can still use this as his abilities. What Genjutsu has Kakashi broken out of that was good? Whether he can break out of the finger Genjutsu the time it takes he would be killed already

 

[Bogard]

How could a 30 percent clones be compared to the real Itachi, who didn't even try to go all out and MS was restricted. Itachi is dead but you still bringin him up so we can still use this as his abilities. What Genjutsu has Kakashi broken out of that was good? Whether he can break out of the finger Genjutsu the time it takes he would be killed already

Like i've said, this clone was restricted by chakra(he only had 30% of the chakra of the original), and it's the reason why he could not use MS techniques(he can't use it with only 30% of his chakra). Anyway, i think Databook explains the technique even better, so i'll post it so that you could see it by yourself:

Shapeshifting* Technique (象転の術, Shouten no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, No rank, Supplementary, All ranges
User: Pain

Transferring one's chakra to a sacrifice and possessing them
As long as they stay alive, they'll play the part of a strong person!!

Pain allocates chakra from an "Akatsuki" member to a target person, allowing them to fight via an elaborate "copy". The power of the copy is in proportion to the volume of allocated chakra. The original's abilities are also available...!! However, once the chakra runs out, the technique is cancelled and the copy dies. As it even uses up the target's chakra, this is an incredibly brutal technique.

↓The one who performs the technique and decides how much chakra is allocated is Pain...
[picture of Pain]

[picture of Kisame's clone, holding the Samehada]
→The "Shapeshifting Technique" also imitates the weapons and tools held by the original person, allowing the copy to fight with them...!!

For a short time a part of "Akatsuki"!!

[picture of Itachi's clone]
←The appearance of the person on whom the "Shapeshifting Technique" is performed is 100% identical to the original person.

[picture of Itachi's clone performing the Great Fireball Technique]
←Of course, the techniques used by the copy are the same as those of the original person. Even the pride of the "Uchiha clan," the "Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique"**, can be flawlessly reproduced!!

*The kanji literally mean "shape," "imitation" and "shift," "revolve" respectively. "Shapeshifting" is a perfect translation for these kanji, but "shouten" isn't the word normally used as the Japanese translation for "shapeshifting," which would be "henshin" (変身).
**Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique (火遁・豪火球の術, Katon: Goukakyuu no Jutsu).

About the Kakashi breaking the genjutsu i already posted a link in my thread showing that Kakashi can

 

[uncle sam]

This is

a

show about ninjas.

 

[supino]

no, not really. in team Kakashi vs Itachi, the first part of the fight was entirely Itachi's genjutsu on Naruto. so, technically they did not land a single blow on him.

during the first part of the fight (ch. 257 and 259) even though, as you showed in your post, Itachi's genjutsu is an eye gen

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in reality Itachi can channel his chakra and put people under a genjutsu with his finger

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and in ch. 260 where Kakashi and Itachi get a rematch, Itachi put Kakashi, or more accurately his kage bunshin , under a gen almost instantaneously and this is why Kakashi 'broke' free. It was not the real one. Naruto then did his usual rasengan and that was it.... until we learn that this was not Itachi but a 'replica' made by a mysterious jutsu having almost 30% of the original's power

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so, what exactly gave you the impression that Kakashi or Gai won't end up easily enough under Itachi's genjutsu? because and even though both are excellent fighters and Kakashi has the advantage of the sharingan none of them are trained in genjutsu.... so, no. either or both of them going against the most prodigious genjutsu user of the series almost guarantees they will be put under genjutsu relatively easy.

 

[Champ]

Like i've said, this clone was restricted by chakra(he only had 30% of the chakra of the original), and it's the reason why he could not use MS techniques(he can't use it with only 30% of his chakra). Anyway, i think Databook explains the technique even better, so i'll post it so that you could see it by yourself:

About the Kakashi breaking the genjutsu i already posted a link in my thread showing that Kakashi can

Ok so you want to use a 30 percent clone goin full out on Kakashi haha. This thread was talkin bout Kakashi bein place under a Genjutsu which he will by the Crow/ Finger Genjutsu and the time it takes to break it he would be killed already, or he will be met with Tsukuyomi

 

[Bogard]

Ok so you want to use a 30 percent clone goin full out on Kakashi haha. This thread was talkin bout Kakashi bein place under a Genjutsu which he will by the Crow/ Finger Genjutsu and the time it takes to break it he would be killed already, or he will be met with Tsukuyomi

What you don't understand is that Sharingan see through genjutsu(illusions), not really breaking but seeing through it. It helps to notice it. It's as if you were saying that he will place Sasuke in the finger genjutsu for example and the time it takes, Sasuke would get killed. It can work like that against a regular ninja, but not against a sharingan user and like i've said, i posted a link that shows that Kakashi is capable of that. Kakashi said he was able to counter Sharingan genjutsus, and unless you believe that Sharingan genjutsu is weaker than finger genjutsu, it's impossible that he could trap Kakashi in it(since he will see through it). If i follow your logic i can also say that Kakashi can put Itachi in the genjutsu he used against Sakura, and kill him the time it takes to break it, but it doesn't work like that especially when we talk about sharingan users

 

[Thane]

You fool! You compared Itachi to Kakashi! The overzealous Itachi fans won't even read your post, they'll just call you a bunch of names!

I'm out of here before something explodes!

 

[Bogard]

You fool! You compared Itachi to Kakashi! The overzealous Itachi fans won't even read your post, they'll just call you a bunch of names!

I'm out of here before something explodes!

Haha, i know but like you know, i don't really care

 

[supino]

You fool! You compared Itachi to Kakashi! The overzealous Itachi fans won't even read your post, they'll just call you a bunch of names!

I'm out of here before something explodes!

nobody even did sth like that.... most people actually posted well rounded arguments.....

 

[Champ]

What you don't understand is that Sharingan see through genjutsu(illusions), not really breaking but seeing through it. It helps to notice it. It's as if you were saying that he will place Sasuke in the finger genjutsu for example and the time it takes, Sasuke would get killed. It can work like that against a regular ninja, but not against a sharingan user and like i've said, i posted a link that shows that Kakashi is capable of that. Kakashi said he was able to counter Sharingan genjutsus, and unless you believe that Sharingan genjutsu is weaker than finger genjutsu, it's impossible that he could trap Kakashi in it(since he will see through it). If i follow your logic i can also say that Kakashi can put Itachi in the genjutsu he used against Sakura, and kill him the time it takes to break it, but it doesn't work like that especially when we talk about sharingan users

Forget what I said boggie I already said he will be put under a Genjutsu, but how you gon ignore Supino comment it took her a while to write that.

 

[Thane]

nobody even did sth like that.... most people actually posted well rounded arguments.....

Yeah but to be fair, that's rarely the case. Not only that but a lot of people seem to believe Itachi doesn't have a single flaw, so comparing him to someone is usually just a waste of time. I gave up a long time ago.

 

[supino]

Yeah but to be fair, that's rarely the case. Not only that but a lot of people seem to believe Itachi doesn't have a single flaw, so comparing him to someone is usually just a waste of time. I gave up a long time ago.

well, there are always and for every character some seriously enthusiastic fans. though the point in Itachi's character is that he is flawed as a character and in terms of abilities. so, just don't pay attention to people flaming you for your opinions...?.... or do what you do. you know best.

 

[Bogard]

no, not really. in team Kakashi vs Itachi, the first part of the fight was entirely Itachi's genjutsu on Naruto. so, technically they did not land a single blow on him.

Wrong. Look carefully at this pic:

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It shows that Sakura and Chiyo dispelled the genjutsu and at the bottom of the pic you will notice that Kakashi and Itachi were fighting

in reality Itachi can channel his chakra and put people under a genjutsu with his finger

Kakashi can also do the same as well. It doesn't mean it would work against Itachi. There are levels of genjutsu and Kakashi has already said he could counter sharingan genjutsus with his sharingan, and Itachi agreed with that. Sharingan usually helps to see through genjutsu. It's stated since the begin of the manga plenty of times

and in ch. 260 where Kakashi and Itachi get a rematch, Itachi put Kakashi, or more accurately his kage bunshin , under a gen almost instantaneously and this is why Kakashi 'broke' free.

Not really. Kakashi was never put in a genjutsu in that fight. It was his clone and Itachi actually said later that it would not have worked against him

so, what exactly gave you the impression that Kakashi or Gai won't end up easily enough under Itachi's genjutsu? because and even though both are excellent fighters and Kakashi has the advantage of the sharingan none of them are trained in genjutsu.... so, no. either or both of them going against the most prodigious genjutsu user of the series almost guarantees they will be put under genjutsu relatively easy.

Cuz i believe that finger genjutsu is a genjutsu that they can break(i believe it's not as strong as you think). It worked against Naruto cuz he had bad control of his chakra and eventhen he almost managed to break it. His stronger genjutsus are sharingan genjutsus and if you avoid eye contact, you're fine like Kakashi says on my pic and they have shown they are able to fight someone just by judging his movements. So that's why i believe Itachi would only difficulty manage to put them in a genjutsu especially against Kakashi who is even a MS user

 

[ixc]

Itachi can spell a Genjutsu on him by pointing a mere finger at him end of story.

Lovely how people are trying to prove that Kakashi and others are stronger than Itachi

By making these threads you people make yourself utterly shit, because you're always searching for a bloody reason to make Itachi look weak against other Characters when they simply fail against Itachi because there is no reason why they have a chance against Itachi.

Itachi will always outbrain everyone. He has the right Tools, Jutsu's and Intelligence to be capable of defeating any Character just ****ing DEAL WITH IT. Itachi never showed his real strength in any of his fights hell not even HALF his strength yet had all of his fights under controll. Besides he owned the shit out of Kakashi, Azuma and Kuranai if he wanted to and he was what 13/14 years? hahaha.