Rotation vs V2

[TiddlySkydiver]

I've been having a little discussion in a Raikage vs Neji thread about whether or not the rotation would be fast enough to glance off a blow from A in V2.

I'm not necessarily convinced either way, but I've been on the side of A breaking the rotation.

Argument for A's attack

Spoiler

In the situation as I see it, A will be moving at normal speed while Neji looks to be in slow motion in comparison, in terms of a slowed down view of the attack. Assuming the dome is still complete in this slowed state, the dome will be moving at the speed that Neji is rotating. So, if Neji seems to be moving in slow-mo, the dome will be as well. Now, that in comparison to how much faster A will be moving, his strike will pierce the chakra dome as it's rotation will not be fast enough to glance off the blow. Also, with V2 lightning shrouding the punch, the chakra dome's speed, fluency, and integrity will be thrown out of whack, possibly throwing off Neji's stance all together at the moment of impact. From my perspective A would smash through the rotation, but hitting Neji may or may not happen. I could see A breaking into the dome, but the remaining rotating chakra pushing him slightly to the side, allowing the blow to miss Neji, but effectively breaking Neji's stance. I could also see A smashing through the dome and hitting Neji directly, it pretty much breaks down to the speed of V2 vs the speed of rotation (and that is something that is hard to calculate).

This is a quote from the person I have been discussing this with, who favors that Neji's Rotation will stop A.

Spoiler

Susanoo is a stationary wall type of defense and one of the weaknesses of a stationary wall defense is that it will break if a certain amount of force is put into one small area.

Rotation doesn't have that problem simply because of the continuous rotational properties of the defense. Attacking one small area with blunt force is pointless because the chakra is constantly being ejected from the user and is in motion around them, therefore, the impacted area will simply deflect the force of the punch. In order break a full rotation without having a backlash effect, the attack can either be so massive that the chakra is crushed underneath the weight of the force, or the attack would be a type of drilling motion, in which the spinning speed counters the centrifugal force of the chakra, allowing it to penetrate the dome and drill its way to the source.

There are plenty of very large scale attacks that can overwhelm a regular rotation, though the only drilling type techniques that could penetrate one would be odama rasengan and possibly even wolf fang over fang. Again, this is just to break a regular sized rotation. To break a large one, you have to increase the scale of the massive attack/drill in both the size and mass, and for the drill, increased spinning speed.

Just a friendly discussion, let me know what you think. <3

 

[fastrthnwind]

Ohoho, trying to get other peoepl in on this eh? Lol ANyways Im the one who posted that other side of the arguement if any of you are wondering!

 

[~Dream~]

A would crush his limbs. O_O

 

[wridacule]

a is too much of a goddamn beast...neji would get raped

 

[fastrthnwind]

A would crush his limbs. O_O

a is too much of a goddamn beast...neji would get raped

This isn't a debate to see who would win but rather a debate to se if the raikage can penetrate rotation or not.

 

[TiddlySkydiver]

Ohoho, trying to get other peoepl in on this eh? Lol ANyways Im the one who posted that other side of the arguement if any of you are wondering!

Yeah, I really like the discussion, thought more peeps would help :ice:

A would crush his limbs. O_O

a is too much of a goddamn beast...neji would get raped

There is no doubt in my mind A would win in a fight, this is just concerning this particular instance of rotation vs A. Let me know why you guys think he could break the rotation if it is different from my explanation.

 

[Bijuu Kage]

maybe or maybe not

 

[fastrthnwind]

Yeah, I really like the discussion, thought more peeps would help :ice:

Well the more the merrier!

 

[wridacule]

This isn't a debate to see who would win but rather a debate to se if the raikage can penetrate rotation or not.

Yeah, I really like the discussion, thought more peeps would help :ice:




There is no doubt in my mind A would win in a fight, this is just concerning this particular instance of rotation vs A. Let me know why you guys think he could break the rotation if it is different from my explanation.

ah sorry fellas...well here's a bigger question to your question: if hit with enough force would neji's bones break while rotating? if so i think that's how A would overcome rotation... like if A came down on top of him with that kick of doom he has????

 

[fastrthnwind]

ah sorry fellas...well here's a bigger question to your question: if hit with enough force would neji's bones break while rotating? if so i think that's how A would overcome rotation... like if A came down on top of him with that kick of doom he has????

Not exactly. If hit with enough force, the chakra on the dome would be disrupted and he might go in a few inches, but it wouldn't shatter his bones since the rotating chakra reduces the impact by redirecting it around him.

 

[TiddlySkydiver]

ah sorry fellas...well here's a bigger question to your question: if hit with enough force would neji's bones break while rotating? if so i think that's how A would overcome rotation... like if A came down on top of him with that kick of doom he has????

Yeah, guillotine drop, that would be interesting because the dome at the very top would still be rotating but it would be spinning in much smaller circles, possibly allowing the blow to break through. Idk how I overlooked an attack from above, good job. The only downside to that would be that guillotine drop would be significantly slower than a full on sprinting V2 assault.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Yeah, guillotine drop, that would be interesting because the dome at the very top would still be rotating but it would be spinning in much smaller circles, possibly allowing the blow to break through. Idk how I overlooked an attack from above, good job. The only downside to that would be that guillotine drop would be significantly slower than a full on sprinting V2 assault.

The attack from the top would be better, but it would have to take a lot of force on a very small point to go through it since the chakra would still be rotating around it.

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

Well... I mean neither one is offensive, but V2 will outlast the rotation so... Raiton armor ftw?

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

What is with people and putting Neji against A? So random anyway A cannot get past a ration but neji can not rotate forever

 

[Karyuu No]

Lightning armor gives more penetration so I say so.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Well... I mean neither one is offensive, but V2 will outlast the rotation so... Raiton armor ftw?

What is with people and putting Neji against A? So random anyway A cannot get past a ration but neji can not rotate forever

Its Funny Because Neji won't Even See V2 Raikage Coming to Do the Rotation

Again, this isnt about who would win between Neji and Raikage, but a debate to see if the raikage can get past rotation.

Lightning armor gives more penetration so I say so

It doesn't give penetration ability, but it gives resistance to lightning based jutsus and greatly increases his speed.

 

[wridacule]

i dunno fellas... have you really looked at A?! dude is a f*ckin TANK! i think if anyone could break rotation with brute force it's him...guillotine drop is f*cking death from above

 

[Karyuu No]

Again, this isnt about who would win between Neji and Raikage, but a debate to see if the raikage can get past rotation.



It doesn't give penetration ability, but it gives resistance to lightning based jutsus and greatly increases his speed.

You sure?.. I was thinking about Chidori..

When Sasuke used Chidori against the the Raikage, he said he was using it for extra penetration.

Wouldn't that work with the lightning armor since it's lightning chakra surrounding the hand? Or is it different?

 

[fastrthnwind]

i dunno fellas... have you really looked at A?! dude is a f*ckin TANK! i think if anyone could break rotation with brute force it's him...guillotine drop is f*cking death from above

That guy is a beast, but even gaaras sand blocked him from killing sasuke to protect him from amaterasu.

 

[10023213]

raikage is like the forth fastest of all time
one hit and nejis out