Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[MWQ]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

This explain shit. Your "explanations" to these plot holes are opinionated and you don't even provide %100 evidence either, so :stfu. You're making yourself sound like a jackass.

sounding like a jackass?.........agreed!!!

 

[Honord Sage]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

This is getting so pathetic, You will go mad next chapter when Obito tells Kakashi what happen that day. And even after you here and see it you may still be in denial.

 

[Sexy Steel]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

you guys should look at Mejkl3's timeline it's a pretty decent and detailed explanation of why obito could be tobi

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[ElectroG]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I am gonna summarize everyhting you just said (at the bottom)

I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.


"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.

"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".

"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?

"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.

... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.

EDIT: Here's some more

Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.

You all dont know shit and should just wait. None of these plotholes are really plotholes.... dont worry about them!

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

This is getting so pathetic, You will go mad next chapter when Obito tells Kakashi what happen that day. And even father you here and see it you may still be in denial.

Im open minded to all ideas and theories so if you can explain to me how he gave the rinnegan to Nagato when he was a kid almost maybe older or the same age as the 4th how he could possibly be Obito who wasn't even born.

If u can explain that then u will win over everyone who knows better.

 

[Rishabh Uzumaki Anton]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

rep upgraded.. gud try buddy.. atleast now, anti obito idiots can wack up their brains n think on the truth again....

 

[Honord Sage]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Im open minded to all ideas and theories so if you can explain to me how he gave the rinnegan to Nagato when he was a kid almost maybe older or the same age as the 4th how he could possibly be Obito who wasn't even born.

If u can explain that then u will win over everyone who knows better.

He did not Madara was the one,Obito tock over Madara's name and credit,just as Kabuto took over Orochimaru's work but not His identity.

 

[Honord Sage]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Thanks. I wasn't reffering to myself. I was reffering to Kishi on why he would use that.
I only explained those particular set of grammar use in order for other ones to understand things around.



Did you even read what I stated up there? No. If you would've had, you would've known my opinion in connection to further chapters.

Only one of us can be right and the Vegas odds are on me.

 

[niknika]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Kakashi was about 4 to 6 years younger than Obito. Remember Kakashi graduated from the academy at 5. Most people graduate at 12, even geniuses like Sasuke and Neji graduated at around 12.

Teams are chosen from academy graduates, so they got grouped after the academy, hence it doesnt mean they were the same age. Obito was never stated to be a genius, so he could have graduated at 12, when Kakashi graduated at 6.

Meaning he attacked the Village at about 20.

This makes sense.

S you're saying Obito was 17-19 in kakashi gaiden? :flaw:xd

 

[Beetle]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Maybe Tobi is Obito, maybe he isn't... still it's the fact that it was just flat out poor writing for Tobi to have anything to do with him.

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

He did not Madara was the one,Obito tock over Madara's name and credit,just as Kabuto took over Orochimaru's work but not His identity.

Read the chapter that shows the masked man tell Konan that he gave it to Nagato and spurred Yahiko to starting Akatsuki. Madara was dead which we all know now since hes been revived

 

[Ninpou]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

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[NaROHAN]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

It was clearly Obito's body since half of his face was damaged. But the big question is, why Itachi refered to him as "a mere shell of his former self"? And why is Tobi after for a "complete body/host" too just like Orochimaru? This Tobi seems to know the forbidden technique of Oro and is using Obito's body too. What dayya think guys?

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Madara didnt give anyone his rinnegan to anyone, someone probably took it after he died, maybe it was the same person who killed him now that we know he didn't die directly after the fight with the 1st hokage.

 

[jd9393]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

S you're saying Obito was 17-19 in kakashi gaiden? :flaw:xd

Who said years past between their graduation and the events of Kakashi Gaiden? in the latest chapter you see Rin and the others planning on Kakashi's gift for becoming a chunnin and when Kakashi Gaiden start he gets said gift so the graduation and the attack on the bridge probably happened on the same week.

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

I just can't picture him tearing out his eyes and giving them to someone while he's still alive.

 

[6PathsofKami]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Read the chapter that shows the masked man tell Konan that he gave it to Nagato and spurred Yahiko to starting Akatsuki. Madara was dead which we all know now since hes been revived

Do you even read the manga properly? Tobi/Obito was acting as Madara the whole time, everything he was saying was him trying to be Madara so it means Madara gave it Nagato. Also when he talks about gaining senju dna off Hashirama he was acting as Madara, you think just because Tobi said it he was the one who fought Hashirama and not Madara? Lol. We now know better that he isnt Madara and was just acting, if we still thought Tobi is Madara then you would be saying it was Madara who gave him the Rinnegan.

People are still in denial, the whole fcking chapter showed Obitos flashback, what more do you want. Its Obito until kishi telks us otherwise.

 

[shri3kbat]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

It was just imagination.

This.

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Then explain when did Madara stop being Madara and Obito start pretending to be him?
Why does he sound like an old man?
Why would Madara give away his eyes if was still alive?
How did Madara die?
When did he die?
Who did Itachi meet With? Obito or Madara?
Who helped kill all the Uchiha? Obito or Madara?
Why does Madara seem mad that someone is pretending to be him?
I do know that the same guy that fought the 4th is the same guy that is fighting Kakashi because he is using Kamui, explain that?

Like I said before it it is Obito, Kishimoto has alot of explaining to do.

 

[joe256]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Why did the 4th say that the only one that could control the 9 tails and have the information that he had was Madara?

Obito wouldn't have the nuts to fight the 4th hokage