it all over again now what will happen .... is he really obito ?? is that ok i think its not logical obito seem so weak he even could't activet his sharingan and now he is the master of time-space not make eny sense i dnt know i like it but its not what expectedxd:hypertobi:
[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 599 Discussion and 600 Predictions
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too many flash backs, not enough plot advancement.
I dont mind Tobi being Obito as long as plot holes get filled in.
how did he survive?
how can he regenerate body parts? (Zetsu?)
who trained him, and where did he learn all his history? (Madara?)
how in went from chunin to kage level in such a short period of time.
how he obtained the rinnegan - if he really was the one to give it to Nagato
why is he now evil? or where did this twisted vision of peace come from
Also I dont know if this had been mentioned before didnt read all the post, but didnt Obito "die" before Minato became hokage? Why was his face on the wall with Obito standing there? Either way not a big deal just funny, and i could be completly wrong
2-3/5 : because 99% flashbacks that tell us nothing and 1 page of plot advancement
I dont mind Tobi being Obito as long as plot holes get filled in.
how did he survive?
how can he regenerate body parts? (Zetsu?)
who trained him, and where did he learn all his history? (Madara?)
how in went from chunin to kage level in such a short period of time.
how he obtained the rinnegan - if he really was the one to give it to Nagato
why is he now evil? or where did this twisted vision of peace come from
Also I dont know if this had been mentioned before didnt read all the post, but didnt Obito "die" before Minato became hokage? Why was his face on the wall with Obito standing there? Either way not a big deal just funny, and i could be completly wrong
2-3/5 : because 99% flashbacks that tell us nothing and 1 page of plot advancement
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I know it is a long Reply but i want to cover all facts as arguments, so if you take you time to read to whole think, I guess it will help you all.
First i want to say that i have been reading this blogs for some years now and never felt the need to register to join the discussion until now.
I have to admit that Kishi made some small mistakes now and then, but letting Tobi JUST be Obito would be some massive mistake. And at least until now there have been no such massive ones in Naruto, so I guess it is not JUST Obito without any additional . . . Things. And by the way i don't believe in the TWO TOBI THEORY. That would be the lamest thing ever.
Let be state some arguments why Tobi being JUST Obito would be absolutely ridiculous (I will start with the strongest arguments and will close with some smaller ones):
- Tobi obviously has to have Hashiramas Cells because he has used Izanagi and uses the Rinnegan. Where should Obito have gotten this, without help
- Tobi states that he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato in the first place and this would have obviously been before OBITOS BIRTH, so either he is a big fat liar (well i lied before i give you that) or it was not OBITO but some other part of Tobi. By the way i think the Rinnegan are originally Madaras (i.e. Izunas) Eyes. This would fit because it seems logically that only SO6P and other people with both Uchiha and Senja DNA can have Rinnegan, so Nagato was no Wonder of Nature but simply got this eyes implanted somehow.
- Tobi has a massive Knowledge of so many things that happened before Obitos Birth, so I guess he can't have figured this out all by himself
- Tobi has obviously the power to grow some new Body-parts that consist of some white substance. This reminds me of Zetsus power. So something must have happened with his body. Some change, some implantation. Of course this has maybe to do with to Hashirama DNA
- Obito was a nice guy. He envied Kakashi because he loved Rin, but when he was dying he gave Kakashi his Sharingan and he was thinking of him as a Friend. Maybe he would be angry on Kakashi because Rin died. But as far as we know this happended years after Obito was crushed, so why wouldn't he have returned to Konoha by then? There is no real explanation possibility for such a change of heart.
- Many people believed he was Madara. Especially Kisame who has also seen his face. And Kisame also saw his face just a fed Months ago and was not surprissed to see the face of Obito we saw in the last chapter. So he must have seen the same face when he first met Tobi. But why should he believe him to be Madara if there is no additional explanation to his appearance that he game Kisame. Kisame was obviously not the kind of guy who believed a half-grown brat (that obito would have been back then) just to be the most powerful Uchiha of all times without any more reason. And Itachi. He also thought of Tobi as Madara. He said he was only a shade of his former self but he was immortal. So maybe there is some Madara in Tobi... this would explain it.
- Minato should have somewhat recogniced his former student when Tobi attacked the Leaf, shouldn't he. Except when Tobi would have been some completely (mind?)-changed Obito.
- It would have been to obvious, to easy to guess from the very beginning of Tobi.
- Why should Kishi reveale the whole deal in Chapter 599? There has to be something more than just Obito that gets revealed in Chapter 600.
So let me conclude with three things, that I think of as some fitting explanation for all this stuff:
- Kishi got high on some extreme hard stuff and actually it is Obito
- This is just Genjutsu to freak out Kakashi, Guy and Naruto to get advantage in the fight. And also to give all the crazy OBITO THEORY-FANS ony week of "I told you so" until they get crushed with next weeks chapter
- There is some sort of Madara- or Izuna- or Whatever- Part in Obitos Body. I know that Madara is dead. . . But so is Orochimara in some way but still there have been some parts in Kabuto and so on. . .And Kabuto said Madaras Edo Tensei was some special thing (Maybe he refered to the Hashirama Face but it was revealed that Madara hat this DNA already before his Death).
So i guess that the most logical explanation was that when Madara died he entrusted someone with his will, maybe with some part of his mind. And this part took over controll of Tobi. By the way. Madara died after Nagato was born. This can be since the first thing he says when he is summond are: "So it finally happened...Seems like that Nagato brat has really grown". So i guess Madara was somehow dying from whatever. And he hopped that Nagato, entrusted with the sharingan, would grow to get so strong with his Revival Abillity that he would bring HIM back one day. After Nagato died and saved all Konoha people he killed with this Revival jutsu, Tobi is really enraged and says something like "damn you Nagato, this was meant for me". So this also speaks for some Madara in Tobi.
So I guess the Tobi we know is some Zetsu-Modifikation of what remained of Obito's Body (Maybe still left with some surpressed Obito mind) with part of Madaras soul in him.
Feel free to respond if you agree of disagree or have some additional arguments. If i have time to read it and respond i would love to go on with the discussion.
First i want to say that i have been reading this blogs for some years now and never felt the need to register to join the discussion until now.
I have to admit that Kishi made some small mistakes now and then, but letting Tobi JUST be Obito would be some massive mistake. And at least until now there have been no such massive ones in Naruto, so I guess it is not JUST Obito without any additional . . . Things. And by the way i don't believe in the TWO TOBI THEORY. That would be the lamest thing ever.
Let be state some arguments why Tobi being JUST Obito would be absolutely ridiculous (I will start with the strongest arguments and will close with some smaller ones):
- Tobi obviously has to have Hashiramas Cells because he has used Izanagi and uses the Rinnegan. Where should Obito have gotten this, without help
- Tobi states that he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato in the first place and this would have obviously been before OBITOS BIRTH, so either he is a big fat liar (well i lied before i give you that) or it was not OBITO but some other part of Tobi. By the way i think the Rinnegan are originally Madaras (i.e. Izunas) Eyes. This would fit because it seems logically that only SO6P and other people with both Uchiha and Senja DNA can have Rinnegan, so Nagato was no Wonder of Nature but simply got this eyes implanted somehow.
- Tobi has a massive Knowledge of so many things that happened before Obitos Birth, so I guess he can't have figured this out all by himself
- Tobi has obviously the power to grow some new Body-parts that consist of some white substance. This reminds me of Zetsus power. So something must have happened with his body. Some change, some implantation. Of course this has maybe to do with to Hashirama DNA
- Obito was a nice guy. He envied Kakashi because he loved Rin, but when he was dying he gave Kakashi his Sharingan and he was thinking of him as a Friend. Maybe he would be angry on Kakashi because Rin died. But as far as we know this happended years after Obito was crushed, so why wouldn't he have returned to Konoha by then? There is no real explanation possibility for such a change of heart.
- Many people believed he was Madara. Especially Kisame who has also seen his face. And Kisame also saw his face just a fed Months ago and was not surprissed to see the face of Obito we saw in the last chapter. So he must have seen the same face when he first met Tobi. But why should he believe him to be Madara if there is no additional explanation to his appearance that he game Kisame. Kisame was obviously not the kind of guy who believed a half-grown brat (that obito would have been back then) just to be the most powerful Uchiha of all times without any more reason. And Itachi. He also thought of Tobi as Madara. He said he was only a shade of his former self but he was immortal. So maybe there is some Madara in Tobi... this would explain it.
- Minato should have somewhat recogniced his former student when Tobi attacked the Leaf, shouldn't he. Except when Tobi would have been some completely (mind?)-changed Obito.
- It would have been to obvious, to easy to guess from the very beginning of Tobi.
- Why should Kishi reveale the whole deal in Chapter 599? There has to be something more than just Obito that gets revealed in Chapter 600.
So let me conclude with three things, that I think of as some fitting explanation for all this stuff:
- Kishi got high on some extreme hard stuff and actually it is Obito
- This is just Genjutsu to freak out Kakashi, Guy and Naruto to get advantage in the fight. And also to give all the crazy OBITO THEORY-FANS ony week of "I told you so" until they get crushed with next weeks chapter
- There is some sort of Madara- or Izuna- or Whatever- Part in Obitos Body. I know that Madara is dead. . . But so is Orochimara in some way but still there have been some parts in Kabuto and so on. . .And Kabuto said Madaras Edo Tensei was some special thing (Maybe he refered to the Hashirama Face but it was revealed that Madara hat this DNA already before his Death).
So i guess that the most logical explanation was that when Madara died he entrusted someone with his will, maybe with some part of his mind. And this part took over controll of Tobi. By the way. Madara died after Nagato was born. This can be since the first thing he says when he is summond are: "So it finally happened...Seems like that Nagato brat has really grown". So i guess Madara was somehow dying from whatever. And he hopped that Nagato, entrusted with the sharingan, would grow to get so strong with his Revival Abillity that he would bring HIM back one day. After Nagato died and saved all Konoha people he killed with this Revival jutsu, Tobi is really enraged and says something like "damn you Nagato, this was meant for me". So this also speaks for some Madara in Tobi.
So I guess the Tobi we know is some Zetsu-Modifikation of what remained of Obito's Body (Maybe still left with some surpressed Obito mind) with part of Madaras soul in him.
Feel free to respond if you agree of disagree or have some additional arguments. If i have time to read it and respond i would love to go on with the discussion.
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You are correct. Jiraiya trained Nagato first (during second ninja war, where Minato didn't participate), and later Minato (he became a hero in third ninja war)
However, Nagato and Minato could've been at same age (because Nagato was 5-7 when he met Jiraiya and Akatsuki took part in third ninja war)
Obito is far younger than Nagato, and he cannot possibly give Nagato his rinnegan by any chance
Guys let keep this simple. Tobi is obito, obito fought the forth,kisime saw the real madara aka long hair as did itachi. Thats why he said madara.u think ass smart as itachi is , he would know the difference and betting yes.
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You people keep on saying how it's impossible for Obito to have gotten that strong in about a year's worth of time (Not an Obito Maniac ir whatever they are called nowadays) but I don't think naruto has turned 17 yet right? and if that's true Naruto in under a year went from his strongest attack being the Odama Rasengan to a Tail Beast Bomb he mastered Sage Mode, the Rasen shuriken, beat Kurama for his chakra, he can transform into bijjuu mode pretty much, and the bomb of course ... yeah I don't know about you but it's possible for Obito to have gotten that strong during that short time when he fought the Fourth Hokage specially being trained by Madara
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That's exactly it, it's the only reason that I have an issue with it being Obito. It doesn't fit with established events, and now there is going to have to be an overly complicated explanation by Kishi just to make this work. If he does that well I will applaud him to no end, but I just don't see a way in which this won't become incredibly convoluted.
you the idiot if u think u theory is right dumshit. Who knows i could be wrong to but i be dam if u think u right and im wrong cause last checked 85 percent where wrong on tobi and i bet u to,son
At this rate, it won't end well... :shrug: But like I said, I hope to God he proves me wrong. Because none of these events makes any type of sense and it's so surprising even these dumbass Obito theorists can't see that. It clashes with way too many canon events.. Even the hugest Obito fan has to admit that.
Madara would've totally been dead before then........ Before Obito was even born he passed the Rinnegan onto Nagato, meaning he was pretty much on his deathbed to have his eyes transplanted... & a little problem with your theory, it took Naruto THREE YEARS to do all of that.. & For Obito, between the time of the attack on the village & Obito's death was only a difference of 13 months.. It's WAY TOO unlikely Obito to advance his Sharingan in less than a year.
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Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 600 Predictions and 599 Discussions
I secretly did to but was thinking how would it make sense. Kishi U suck man he aged and is the same height as Minato when he died like a year before wth. Zetsu is a nacrophilliac. That's all im saying.
No, Sasuke unlocked that on his own because of the grief of his death..
& what Itachi planted in him was his transcription seal for him to automatically use Amaterasu to kill Tobi. Madara would've already been dead & lost his eyes. Since these events happened before Obito was even born...
It doesn't follow established canon.
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