[Theory] Itachi's Power = Key Scroll, I proved it with pictures (My Best thread ever!)

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If the spoilers for this week are true... Itachi giving Naruto a power to make him stronger than Sasuke... is completely stupid.

Naruto can now Sit in a Oil Waterfall...
Meditate...
Create a few Super-Sage-Shadowclones...

No matter what... Sasuke wouldn't be able to get near Naruto, or find him. Naruto now fights exactly as Pein does. From far away, out of harms way, constantly refueling shadow clones with chakra.

If anything... the gift Itachi that gave to Naruto, is the Only thing that would get Sasuke remotely close to competing with Naruto... if you choose to believe that was really Itachi and not the KeyScroll Frog.
naruto can be strong but he will die if he gets touched by amaterazu, or sasuke uses Tsukiyomi ( if he gots it ), then naruto cant do anything.... remember naruto is quite bad for genjutsu .. and sasuke can easly use genjutsu.. stop naruto and use a simple kunay to kill him... so naruto is really strong.. but sasuke got really deadly ataqs
 

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naruto can be strong but he will die if he gets touched by amaterazu, or sasuke uses Tsukiyomi ( if he gots it ), then naruto cant do anything.... remember naruto is quite bad for genjutsu .. and sasuke can easly use genjutsu.. stop naruto and use a simple kunay to kill him... so naruto is really strong.. but sasuke got really deadly ataqs
but does using all that on a single shadow clone really hurt Naruto?
 

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naruto can be strong but he will die if he gets touched by amaterazu, or sasuke uses Tsukiyomi ( if he gots it ), then naruto cant do anything.... remember naruto is quite bad for genjutsu .. and sasuke can easly use genjutsu.. stop naruto and use a simple kunay to kill him... so naruto is really strong.. but sasuke got really deadly ataqs
genjutsu won't work on naruto now that he has sage mode.

To cut off a genjutsu u have to insert chakra in u to disrupt the chakra flow, that basically what nature chakra do...
 

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no one knows that
Well it is quite logical, if you think it through.

The way to Genjitsu works is by altering your sense: Smell, hearing, touch ect. Using your environment.

The way Sage mode work is by becoming one with nature/your environment. Thus you would know exactly what is really happening around you, and not what someone is trying to manipulate.

The way to braking a Genjitsu that is cast on you. Is by someone disrupting, your chakra flow, by poring some of there chakra into your circular system.

Well that is exactly what is happening when you gather Natural energy.

Thus you wont be affected by a Genjitsu, if your in sage mode. And in the odd case where you might have fell into one, the second statement I made would automatically cancel that effect.
 

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Remember Itachi's MS technique that trapped Itachi for a year (or something close to that), yet it was only for maybe 10 seconds in real time...


If that technique were to be used on a shadow clone of Naruto... when that clone was finally "dispelled" and the experience and fatigure of that MS technique... were engrained into the real Naruto... in just that brief moment... Naruto became 1 year STRONGER MENTALLY... because he was able to survive that experience.
 
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this is good theory but im 100% sure that it was itachi that gave naruto a power. how can a frog have sharingan (you can say it was genjutsu but it still doesn't make sense)

and also Jiraya thought naruto everything he needed to know and i dont think that the frog scroll had to go through all that trouble to himself in naruto and also how come itachi was talking about killing sasuke if he had to and all that stuff? i think that itachi went to the trouble of giving naruto that power in order to stop sasuke from doing something that he will regret and itachi knew that madara would use sasuke and this is one way to counter madaras plan and madara would have never expected this.
 

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this is good theory but im 100% sure that it was itachi that gave naruto a power. how can a frog have sharingan (you can say it was genjutsu but it still doesn't make sense)

and also Jiraya thought naruto everything he needed to know and i dont think that the frog scroll had to go through all that trouble to himself in naruto and also how come itachi was talking about killing sasuke if he had to and all that stuff? i think that itachi went to the trouble of giving naruto that power in order to stop sasuke from doing something that he will regret and itachi knew that madara would use sasuke and this is one way to counter madaras plan and madara would have never expected this.
I know that a Fox can have the sharringan... there is a colored image that shows it... and animals can have the rinnengan...
 

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Well... I was replying to that person's comment... proving that an animal can have it... he didn't specify in his question "the ability to use the sharringan" ... and since when does having genjutsu mean having the sharringan?

Its equal to me saying... How can a man have tits? ... cough cough... "Sexy Harem Jutsu" ... its not real, but looks that way...

There ya go....


secondly, which i answered way earlier in the thread... Itachi asked Naruto who he would choose to save, Konoha, or Sasuke... and he said both... "Itachi" smiled... ect ect... read my previous posts on that matter
 

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Well it is quite logical, if you think it through.

The way to Genjitsu works is by altering your sense: Smell, hearing, touch ect. Using your environment.

The way Sage mode work is by becoming one with nature/your environment. Thus you would know exactly what is really happening around you, and not what someone is trying to manipulate.

The way to braking a Genjitsu that is cast on you. Is by someone disrupting, your chakra flow, by poring some of there chakra into your circular system.

Well that is exactly what is happening when you gather Natural energy.

Thus you wont be affected by a Genjitsu, if your in sage mode. And in the odd case where you might have fell into one, the second statement I made would automatically cancel that effect.
wants genjutsu when someone uses his chakra to mess with ur brain chakra?... if u dont know whats really going on with ur bodie i dont think u can be gathering natural energy
 

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wants genjutsu when someone uses his chakra to mess with ur brain chakra?... if u dont know whats really going on with ur bodie i dont think u can be gathering natural energy
If its a shadow clone... I don't think it would harm Naruto's real body... even if it was genjutsu... .
 

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wants genjutsu when someone uses his chakra to mess with ur brain chakra?... if u dont know whats really going on with ur bodie i dont think u can be gathering natural energy
I have to agree with you, but that needs to take place prior to user being in Sage mode, otherwise he's already one with nature and then you cant mess with his mind, like I stated above.
 

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If its a shadow clone... I don't think it would harm Naruto's real body... even if it was genjutsu... .
True, It doesnt harm his body, because if that was true and a sword pierced one of the clones, and the clone vanished Naruto would then also get the cut, which is not the case, but I think that if Tsyokume is cast, thats not a normal genjitsu. Normal genjitsu's wont work, but Tsyokume might. Because it takes alot of events and play it off in a short matter of time where normal genjitsu doesnt work the same.

The thing is Tsyokume causes mental stress and problems by inflicting physical pain to the body while the victim is cought in the genjitsu. Thus not causing physical pain but mental strain. And as we have seen in the Manga that all the mental strain that was obtained while Naruto was training did came back to him as a user, thus I would come to the conclusion that the same pain would go back to original user of the clone.

The major advantage that Naruto have when a clone is cought in the Tsyokume, is that the real naruto can disperse the clone prior to the clone being in the genjtsu for the whole amount of time, thus reducing the mental strain that would have been inflicted.
 

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Jiraiya knew everything there was about akatsuku... incluing the partner of Orochimaru... IE Itachi... If Jiraiya is "a pupil of the frogs"... wouldn't he know that Itachi used crows for his genjutsu... and that the frogs knew this as well...

That is my point... that what Jiraiya know about Naruto and Sasuke, and Itachi... is all know by the frogs... thus YOU SHOULD NOT say that it is impossible... because we don't know the truth, and we won't know for a while here.... but either way.... I know I am right.
 
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True, It doesnt harm his body, because if that was true and a sword pierced one of the clones, and the clone vanished Naruto would then also get the cut, which is not the case, but I think that if Tsyokume is cast, thats not a normal genjitsu. Normal genjitsu's wont work, but Tsyokume might. Because it takes alot of events and play it off in a short matter of time where normal genjitsu doesnt work the same.

The thing is Tsyokume causes mental stress and problems by inflicting physical pain to the body while the victim is cought in the genjitsu. Thus not causing physical pain but mental strain. And as we have seen in the Manga that all the mental strain that was obtained while Naruto was training did came back to him as a user, thus I would come to the conclusion that the same pain would go back to original user of the clone.

The major advantage that Naruto have when a clone is cought in the Tsyokume, is that the real naruto can disperse the clone prior to the clone being in the genjtsu for the whole amount of time, thus reducing the mental strain that would have been inflicted.
I liked your explanation.
Makes perfect sense.

Peace.
 

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Jiraiya knew everything there was about akatsuku... incluing the partner of Orochimaru... IE Itachi... If Jiraiya is "a pupil of the frogs"... wouldn't he know that Itachi used crows for his genjutsu... and that the frogs knew this as well...

That is my point... that what Jiraiya know about Naruto and Sasuke, and Itachi... is all know by the frogs... thus YOU SHOULD NOT say that it is impossible... because we don't know the truth, and we won't know for a while here.... but either way.... I know I am right.
yeah, mayne u are
 
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