is everyone stupid or just ignorant?

[UchihaIzuna]

tobi has been revealed to be Obito and everyone has a *** rage at kishi because "it dont make sense bro" but has anyone considered that maybe the masked man who attacked the leaf with the fox was actually madara.. who is to say that all the 3 masked people we have seen are the same person?

on the other side if it was all obito he got the easy power up by killing rin to get mangekyo, which would give him fox control along with his kamui ability, noone whined when naruto went sage mode and beat up an advanced rinnegan user or when sasuke gets a new power up, you just all mad cause you wanted izuna/kagami/sages son etc grow up, if you want everything in the story to go your way i suggest you go and write your own manga.

 

[Braveknight]

well i guess they are doing part time job -.-

 

[SilverSlick]

Well, it doesn't make sense. I wouldn't expect you to realize this since probably haven't looked at the timeline. Oh yeah, the masked man was Tobi. Its always been Tobi. Madara was dead long before any masked man appeared.

 

[natzzz]

tobi has been revealed to be Obito and everyone has a *** rage at kishi because "it dont make sense bro" but has anyone considered that maybe the masked man who attacked the leaf with the fox was actually madara.. who is to say that all the 3 masked people we have seen are the same person?

on the other side if it was all obito he got the easy power up by killing rin to get mangekyo, which would give him fox control along with his kamui ability, noone whined when naruto went sage mode and beat up an advanced rinnegan user or when sasuke gets a new power up, you just all mad cause you wanted izuna/kagami/sages son etc grow up, if you want everything in the story to go your way i suggest you go and write your own manga.

get redy to be trolled in the next manga.

 

[lol99]

Cool story bro

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People can't wait for six days. :sy:

 

[Blaze Release]

There are two masked people. One with long hair and one with short hair. The one with short hair is obito, he also has this s/t abilities. The one with long hair is madara, his ms abilities is different

 

[SO7P]

I choose ignorant.

 

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[UchihaIzuna]

Well, it doesn't make sense. I wouldn't expect you to realize this since probably haven't looked at the timeline. Oh yeah, the masked man was Tobi. Its always been Tobi. Madara was dead long before any masked man appeared.

so the masked man itachi met who had madaras LONG hair was actually obito.. i doubt it, only sakura has had a haircut so far in the series, im just saying dont be ignorant to the possibility of it being 2 different people, but as you are all knowing when did madara die as you know something we all dont, he knew nagato which puts him around when obito was alive not such a hard stretch to believe when you look logically

 

[SilverSlick]

so the masked man itachi met who had madaras LONG hair was actually obito.. i doubt it, only sakura has had a haircut so far in the series, im just saying dont be ignorant to the possibility of it being 2 different people, but as you are all knowing when did madara die as you know something we all dont, he knew nagato which puts him around when obito was alive not such a hard stretch to believe when you look logically

Damnit, I hate explaining but

Nagato is 39-46 years old. Jiraiya was 54 years old. He met a 10 year old Nagato when he was 18-25 years old. Obito is 30, meaning Nagato is at least 9 years older than Obito. Madara died shortly after awakening Rinnegan. The general consensus is that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan. We all know Nagato had it when he was like 5 years old, so this means he must of gained it earlier.

Madara himself said that he died shortly after awakening them. Given the timeline, Madara died before Obito was born.

 

[UchihaIzuna]

Damnit, I hate explaining but

Nagato is 39-46 years old. Jiraiya was 54 years old. He met a 10 year old Nagato when he was 18-25 years old. Obito is 30, meaning Nagato is at least 9 years older than Obito. Madara died shortly after awakening Rinnegan. The general consensus is that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan. We all know Nagato had it when he was like 5 years old, so this means he must of gained it earlier.

Madara himself said that he died shortly after awakening them. Given the timeline, Madara died before Obito was born.

and at what point in the timeline did itachi meet madara? madara has said already to kabuto that he knows tobi or has insinuated as much and as its already been shown reading between the lines takes you farther from the truth

it could be a case of obitobi being another orochimaru experiment, he has the sharingan and we all know oro loves them young uchihas bodies, maybe tobi is just a broken experiment of his

 

[Chatte]

Than how do you explain this?

Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.

True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.

Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.

The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.

 

[SilverSlick]

and at what point in the timeline did itachi meet madara? madara has said already to kabuto that he knows tobi or has insinuated as much and as its already been shown reading between the lines takes you farther from the truth

it could be a case of obitobi being another orochimaru experiment, he has the sharingan and we all know oro loves them young uchihas bodies, maybe tobi is just a broken experiment of his

Tobi met Itachi a few years after the Bloody Mist era which was a couple of years after the 9 tails attack. Madara never met Itachi.

See? Timeline doesn't match up. Madara insinuates that he knows Tobi, but Madara died before Obito was born. Get my point?

 

[UchihaIzuna]

it could go either way as far as i can see it going at least, if there is another soul in there orochi has something to do with it which isnt that far-fetched really, or its all obito and plot no jutsu will reveal all

 

[UchihaIzuna]

Tobi met Itachi a few years after the Bloody Mist era which was a couple of years after the 9 tails attack. Madara never met Itachi.

See? Timeline doesn't match up. Madara insinuates that he knows Tobi, but Madara died before Obito was born. Get my point?

yes i get that but there is always the option that the timeline could be extended slightly both ways, we dont have the exact time madara died

 

[captainEO]

Damnit, I hate explaining but

Nagato is 39-46 years old. Jiraiya was 54 years old. He met a 10 year old Nagato when he was 18-25 years old. Obito is 30, meaning Nagato is at least 9 years older than Obito. Madara died shortly after awakening Rinnegan. The general consensus is that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan. We all know Nagato had it when he was like 5 years old, so this means he must of gained it earlier.

Madara himself said that he died shortly after awakening them. Given the timeline, Madara died before Obito was born.

This exactly.

Any explanation from Kishi will either be retcon or deus ex machina

 

[SilverSlick]

yes i get that but there is always the option that the timeline could be extended slightly both ways, we dont have the exact time madara died

True I guess.

 

[KidGamer65]

I feel a giant ass retcon coming up in the next chapter, or something dumb like time-travel.