Look dude you have to stop with all these bullshit theories. TOBI = OBITO thats it. He's not some random member of the Uchiha clan ho was barely mentioned or the sage of the six paths son which is teh stupidest theory I have ever heard. It makes too much sense for it to be Obito, there has to be a story they can explain and he's got the best one
Go to the thread in my first post, the new chapter is the same as my spoiler, word for word, except for the stuff that is still to be revealed.
Also....go look at all my Tobi has Mangekyo theories made atleast 4 months ago, and all the people that said I was wrong or stupid, I just proved otherwise with these last two chapters from kishi, and I will be right about Tobi being Madara too, mark my words!
Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).
Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.
What my questions/remarks are:
1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?
2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?
Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.
If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.
3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"
There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.
So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.
It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.
My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.
Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.
True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.
He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?
So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.
What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.
The perfect match to play with someone's mind.
Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.
Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.
Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.
Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.
Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.
And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.
Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.
If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.
The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.
do you like the fact that obito is tobi ? or do you prefer if it was Izuna
personnally I would've like to see Tobi=Izuna it would've been more logical then Tobi=Obito
Kishi has a lot of explaining to do to make it logic
feel free to vote and give your opinions
jiraya trained minato after nagato !
that means nagato is much older than minato !
how can obito have given rinnegan to nagato!
minato was obitos sensei!!!!
Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).
Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.
What my questions/remarks are:
1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?
2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?
Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.
If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.
3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"
There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.
So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.
It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.
My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.
Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.
True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.
He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?
So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.
What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.
The perfect match to play with someone's mind.
Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.
Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.
Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.
Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.
Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.
And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.
Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.
If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.
The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.
Maybe , nice ideas
Only one thing is why would Oro help anyone ? :shrug:
I mean why would Oro help him , I mean he wanted to kill Yahiko, Konan and Nagato when he saw them wondering around to save them the suffering :shrug:
I expected more frm this week's manga. It did nt really confirm that Tobi is Obito(only kakashi calls him saying"Obito?" nd that half of his face on the right is wrinkled). I m pretty sure Tobi is nt Obito-
When Tobi mastermind Akatsuki nd gave Nagato the rennigan, Obito would have been too young. Also the 9tails inc. took place a few days after the 4th war nd at that time Tobi looked older than Obito should have been. Lastly to control the Kurama nd 4th Mizukage with normal sharingan nd deceive so many ppl, Obito would have to be super strong. I thnk a person who knows so much about Madara nd his times nd Uchiha clan cn be Izuna(maybe he did nt die). Thats why he bcame so afraid when he heard that his bro. Madara had been resurrected. Maybe he took Obito's body along with his eyes. What do u guys thnk?
But it think Tobi being obito will be cool because it will give us a mystery that how obito survived the big boulders of rocks and why did he know almost all stuff that Madara knows and how did he turn into a bad guy.
I have been trying to explain this ever since Edo Madara appeared and I will give it another shot........
I hate how everyone just switched to Izuna, Obito and god knows who else, ever since Edo Madara showed up, everyone except me! My last two predictions have come to be Manga reality now!
Which 2?
Tobi's jutsu was an MS jutsu all along.(look at all my threads and people that called me a moron, well they became what they called me with Chapter 598)
Tobi has Obito's face, body and eye.(Proven with chapter 599)
Now that thats out of the way.....
This is my oldest prediction, and I knew about this before this happened in the manga:
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I did not make a thread for my prediction until after Edo Madara showed up and people started believing he was someone else, and here is the proof:
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Usually I am not the type of person who uses the writer as a tool to prove one's theory but in this case I dont have a choice.......
There have been far too many instances where strong characters have come to the same conclusion as me:
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Please look at this image here
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and tell me why would Obito be looking at Hashirama's statue as if he had a grudge on it?
Now im sure you all understand what kind of world Itachi Uchiha comes from, a world full of lies and deception, a ninja of his caliber would never believe in someone just by hearing their words, and yet here
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Uchiha Itachi is not the type to believe in just "anything", if he believed in something, I am positive their is an iron clad reasoning behind it.
In this image where Itachi says what he really thinks about Madara is key...even though I know that Itachi was just putting up a good show for Sasuke, these are his true thoughts about Madara
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And lastly I just want to say this, when someone is only minutes away from taking another persons life....... they never lie to them!
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Here is some more proof to support my theory just for good measure, actually it is more of a question, please try and answer it if you can, that is.....
In this image Tobi tells Kabuto about his exploits with Senju Hashirama and how he fought the 1st Hokage and gained his DNA to create that "thing" he has in his basement, the problem with that scenario is that Kabuto had just showed Tobi his Edo Madara puppet to strong arm him. So if Kabuto knows that Madara is dead(he ressurrected him) and Tobi knows it as well, then why is Tobi still talking like the real Uchiha Madara...and why is Kabuto not saying anything?
u again, but it could be. i mean obito could have been saved by zestu since he records every battle and zestu was created by madara if i'm correct. madara probably fixed his arm and eye with the zestu dna and ensteeled in the the way of revenge like tobi or obito did sasuke.
i mean obito could have been saved by zestu since he records every battle and zestu was created by madara if i'm correct. madara probably fixed his arm and eye with the zestu dna and ensteeled in the the way of revenge like tobi or obito did sasuke.
plus at the time zestu was the only one who could have save him.
and it's funny how tobi name is similar to obito. jk
madara made zestu by using the 1st dna. madara obviously died cause his appearance didn't age. or living rfor another 20 is impossibe. he told zestu to find a body to fit his needs, but as we know that plan was ruined.
