[Discussion] Why Tobi can't be two people; considering possibilities

[Edge]

Yes, I know. Madara may have controlled Yagura to begin with, but before or after he died Tobi/Obito took over. Tobi then revealed himself to Kisame claiming to be Uchiha Madara 16-13 Years ago give or take.

My working theory about Madara/Obito/Tobi is this: Madara lived in seclusion after Hashirama shoved a sword through his chest studying his cells in order to recreate the Rinnegan and move his own plans forward. Around 30 years ago give or take Madara brought Yagura under his control and began the Bloody Mist era.

At some pont Madara's experiments with Hashirama's cells resulted in Zetsu's creation, and he used him to keep track of his enemies. He probably had Zetzu snooping around in Konoha quite a bit.

Now as for Obito...I think it's very likely that he is related to Madara, given how similar they appear. This is also important because it explains why Madara, in this scenario, would bother with a half-dead canon-fodder shinobi like Obito appeared to be at the time. He is his descendant. So...He sets Zetsu to observe Obito or others he believes may be useful to his plans, and when Obito is left half-dead Zetsu retrieves him.

Madara then proceeds to patch Obito back together, somehow brings him around to his way of thinking, and begins to train him. Sometime during this period, Madara finally awakens the Rinnegan. Unfortunately for him, Tobi gets ambitious and decides to kill Madara and take the Rinnegan for himself. Tobi succeeds in killing him, but Madara pulls a Danzo and crushes the eyes before he can get his hands on them.

Sometime before or after this, Tobi picks up where his predecessor left off and takes control of Yagura for his own purposes, and reveals himself to Kisame claiming to be Madara.

Then...we have the Nine-Tails' attack. Bam.

The advantages of this theory: It solves most of the issues with Tobito, and it explains something that has been bugging me for a while now; how Madara died. Tobi killing him and taking his place would be a bit poetic IMO.

Hmm, an interesting theory that we'll have to consider xd

However, it doesn't explain how Long-Haired Tobi made a comeback at the Uchiha Massacre which occurred after the attack on the village.

 

[elxdark]

Guys, right now the manga is too confused, the best thing we can do is wait to next chapters instead of making wrong conclusions or theories IMO.

OP: unless we know what exactly happened to kisame and tobi, we won't know if tobi could be two people.

Maybe one was zetsu and the other was obito....

 

[NarutoKage2]

I told you before this chapter was out that tobi was obito and ill tell you now that long/short haired tobi are the same. The only reason kisame called him madara was because kisame had no idea who obito was dont read too much into that. And like ive been saying for the past 3 weeks, kishi regularly messes up the timeline. Tobi cant even be obito(which he is as we all know) if u follow the timeline. That whole, this guy was 12 so many years ago so now he cant be more than this type of argument is just made by nb fanboys not kishi, as hes proven in this chapter. Oh, and someones riding obitos body now lol? And you wonder why people call you a fanboy? Tobi is obito, deal with it.

 

[TheChosenWarrior]

I believe that there were multiple "tobis". The timelines don't add up to just one.

 

[Edge]

I told you before this chapter was out that tobi was obito and ill tell you now that long/short haired tobi are the same. The only reason kisame called him madara was because kisame had no idea who obito was dont read too much into that. And like ive been saying for the past 3 weeks, kishi regularly messes up the timeline. Tobi cant even be obito(which he is as we all know) if u follow the timeline. That whole, this guy was 12 so many years ago so now he cant be more than this type of argument is just made by nb fanboys not kishi, as hes proven in this chapter. Oh, and someones riding obitos body now lol? And you wonder why people call you a fanboy? Tobi is obito, deal with it.

Get over yourself and wait until the full explanation to brag. Even then, I won't give one single sh*t because claiming you were right all along is just plain and utterly lazy.

Any kid and his grandma could have claimed Tobi was Obito, there's nothing to be proud of when you get all your information from the last 5 chapters and ignore the rest.

I'm just trying to make sense of the story, If criticizing me for trying to piece together details is enjoyable to you, then I suggest finding a healthier hobby.

 

[jt1891]

Well, in my scenario, Madara was never 'Tobi'. The Short-Haired Tobi and the Long-Haired Tobi are both Obito. As for Obito's motivation in doing everything....Well, we have no idea what his life was like. For all we know, he could have been an outcast in the Uchiha clan for whatever reason. Im sure we'll find out.

 

[Edge]

Well, in my scenario, Madara was never 'Tobi'. The Short-Haired Tobi and the Long-Haired Tobi are both Obito. As for Obito's motivation in doing everything....Well, we have no idea what his life was like. For all we know, he could have been an outcast in the Uchiha clan for whatever reason. Im sure we'll find out.

Yeah we sure will, which is why people that jump the gun should wait and see what happens next >.>

Like I said, I have no problem with it being Obito. It's the explanation that I'm worried about.

 

[jt1891]

Yeah we sure will, which is why people that jump the gun should wait and see what happens next >.>

Like I said, I have no problem with it being Obito. It's the explanation that I'm worried about.

Same here. In fact, I think it's a good idea if he can explain it without making plot holes. Obito is the perfect foil for Naruto. They have similar personalities and circumstances, but each made a different choice; Naruto has never given up hope while Obito has done the opposite.

 

[TheChosenWarrior]

Same here. In fact, I think it's a good idea if he can explain it without making plot holes. Obito is the perfect foil for Naruto. They have similar personalities and circumstances, but each made a different choice; Naruto has never given up hope while Obito has done the opposite.

That's probably why Tobi/Obito was calling Naruto out before on how he could possibly bring peace to the ninja world. In a way Tobi/Obito is following his idea of what's right.

"Those who break the rules are trash, but those who abandon their comrades are worse than trash! If I'm going to be called trash either way, I'd rather break the rules! And if that somehow makes me anything less than a real shinobi, then I'll crush all of the so-called "real" shinobi!"

Tobi/Obito's experiences as well as the identity of the "man who knows everything" have to be connected and also should be the events in which led to Obito becoming tobi

 

[NarutoKage2]

Get over yourself and wait until the full explanation to brag. Even then, I won't give one single sh*t because claiming you were right all along is just plain and utterly lazy.

Any kid and his grandma could have claimed Tobi was Obito, there's nothing to be proud of when you get all your information from the last 5 chapters and ignore the rest.

I'm just trying to make sense of the story, If criticizing me for trying to piece together details is enjoyable to you, then I suggest finding a healthier hobby.

Lol dont be raging cuz the manga proved you wrong. If you want to make sense of the story pay attention to the facts. I wasnt even flaming you nor do i have the time to do that, which you clearly do.

 

[Chatte]

Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.

True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.

Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.

The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.

Regarding Madara, simple here as well.

Fought Hashirama -> Got Rinnegan -> Took some Hashirama DNA -> Saw that time is passing by and he is getting close to his end -> Made Zetsu -> Used RinneTensei to bring back Izuna -> Entrusted them the plan -> Died safely knowing he will be later revived. With the given data until now, timeline matches.

Why Izuna to chose Tobi and how would he know Obito? Simple. Zetsu info on everything gathered. Zetsu got Obito's body. Izuna took it as probably from the RinneTensei his body wsn't in a good state(?) nad used Obito's body.
If you look when Itachi seeks his help, he doesn't recommend himself as Tobi. Later on he would use the idea for creating a bigger pshycological impact on his rivals.

 

[Chachee]

he can cut his hair and put a wig hair isn't problem

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[Edge]

Lol dont be raging cuz the manga proved you wrong. If you want to make sense of the story pay attention to the facts. I wasnt even flaming you nor do i have the time to do that, which you clearly do.

Okay.