lol fanboyism sees the unsightly. Always bring orochimaru tragedy, orochimaru never really get defeated by itachi. He proves it in recent current chapter.
Here i explain what will happened if itachi try to genjutsu tsunade. Yes tsunade get paralyzed then what? She still alive.. He chop her head? Lol that scenario.. I want tsunade use her mitotic regen from the very start , how about that?can itachi kill her? Tsunade survived teleportal gate with that.. Thats my scenario. It just like playstation lol playing scenario. Oh my. Tsunade is senju, so is hashirama. If hashi has to replace tsunade.. The outcome will be still the same? Isnt it ? Because of genjutsu isnt it? Hashi hasnt shown genjutsu break feats isnt it? Mokuton n regeneration wont help to out from genjutsu isnt it? Why u believe hashi beats itachi in a battle, if in ur scenario he will get caught and beheaded? Hashi a long range fighter? So is itachi a long range genjutsu user, stated by shikaku. But it isnt going to happen rite? Lol.. Hashi rapes itachi anyday ms or not. Because u know he will break it .
Do you people even remember Itachi's fight with Kakashi?? Remember how quick he was. Remember how quickly he could do hand signs or whatever. She wouldn't win. Sorry. And quite honestly, if she gets her healing ability that allows her to take a sword through the stomach and just say oh whatever I think it's only fair that Itachi gets his "ace in the hole." I mean dear lord it's like saying ok Tsunade FULL strength with her Trump Card vs. basically Itachi at 50%. Stupid.
lol fanboyism sees the unsightly. Always bring orochimaru tragedy, orochimaru never really get defeated by itachi. He proves it in recent current chapter.
Here i explain what will happened if itachi try to genjutsu tsunade. Yes tsunade get paralyzed then what? She still alive.. He chop her head? Lol that scenario.. I want tsunade use her mitotic regen from the very start , how about that?can itachi kill her? Tsunade survived teleportal gate with that.. Thats my scenario. It just like playstation lol playing scenario. Oh my. Tsunade is senju, so is hashirama. If hashi has to replace tsunade.. The outcome will be still the same? Isnt it ? Because of genjutsu isnt it? Hashi hasnt shown genjutsu break feats isnt it? Mokuton n regeneration wont help to out from genjutsu isnt it? Why u believe hashi beats itachi in a battle, if in ur scenario he will get caught and beheaded? Hashi a long range fighter? So is itachi a long range genjutsu user, stated by shikaku. But it isnt going to happen rite? Lol.. Hashi rapes itachi anyday ms or not. Because u know he will break it .
Do you people even remember Itachi's fight with Kakashi?? Remember how quick he was. Remember how quickly he could do hand signs or whatever. She wouldn't win. Sorry. And quite honestly, if she gets her healing ability that allows her to take a sword through the stomach and just say oh whatever I think it's only fair that Itachi gets his "ace in the hole." I mean dear lord it's like saying ok Tsunade FULL strength with her Trump Card vs. basically Itachi at 50%. Stupid.
1) He will just have to Kill her before cutting her hand (he didn't want to kill oro)
2) he have to start Byakugu for that , which is like a last resort Jutsu
3) nothing shows that this is True
you are forgetting something OROCHIMARU TSUNADE AND JIRIAYA are 3 different people with different abilities. orochimaru being caught under a mere illusion; does not mean Tsunade will get caught too or easily get caught; their equally strong because of the sage mode each wields, apart from that their not on the same level. orochimaru doesn't have precise or perfect chackra control so its only natural for itachi to put him under a genjutsu. if he had it, then he wouldn't need tsunade to heal/restore/ or regrow is hands. tsunade is a senju; itachi is an uchiha both clans are equal; besides its those two main clans that makes up the so6p. with tsunade being a medical ninja (and to be one you need precise chackra control) then genjutsu wouldn't have much effect on her, in fact the chances of itachi putting her into an illusion is 1 out of 10( i'm not saying Tsunade cant be placed into an illusion at all but it definitely wouldn't be easy) the only genjutsu Itachi can use effectively on her are physical ones. hence; paralysis and she has paralysis also because she used it to save shikamaru's team in the past. Tsunade has being underrated throughout the NARUTO ANIME this whole time i dont know if its because she doesn't wields none of the five elements are has a keke gengei but saying a 3t itachi can beat her your also saying jiriaya, kakashi, guy, shikamaru's father and all the other powerful shinobi will loose to him. that's lame i cant take Itachi's side this time.
Itachi side saying genjutsu and its over. Tsunade side's saying tsunade wins without an explanation or tsunade's summoning would break her out of genjutsu.
Anyway Itachi takes this more times. His ninjutsu's outside of ms will not pose a problem to Tsunade apart from possibly Suiton Suigadan and Bunshin Daibakuha. Medical ninja's have very high chakra control and Tsunade is the epitome of medic ninjutsu therefore genjutsu that isnt derived from the sharingan will not work on her. She isnt like orochimaru, therefore it would be very hard to catch her in a paralysis genjutsu like Magen Kasegui no Jutsu which she CANNOT break. However if she decide not to main eye contact with itachi i wonder what strategy she would take?
Tsunade is a mainly a taijutsu fighter. Her speed and reflexes will not trouble itachi and id go as far as saying itachi doesnt need the 3 tomoe sharingan against Tsunade's speed. Allowing him the sharingan, tsunade will NOT be able to land a hit on itachi and i dont even believe itachi will need any form of bunshin as a decoy against her taijutsu. She might rely on her summonings for help, however summonings can be controlled by the sharingan;
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To make it as brief as possible. Normal genjutsu wouldnt work on a medic apart from a paralysis genjutsu from the sharingan.
Tsunade's would have to either totally evade eye contact or keep it at a bare minimum.
She puts her main fighting style taijutsu in danger, but whats even worse, she with her speed itachi wouldnt need the 3 tomoe sharingan to evade them
Her summoning which could be of use can be controlled and used against her
Itachi clearly has more ways of winning than she does
Ah I didn't see you posted in my thread. I created this thread to get a broad view from more people on the base in what they thought. it was originally a versus matchup in which I defended itachi. it being in a sub forum, not too many people would respond in the manner people would in a general discussion. I believe tsunade definitely has her chances but itachi has the better chances imo
I agree with your post but I believe even if it's not genjutsu from the eyes, weaker genjutsus can be utilized as supplementary moves and leave opening for itachi to act quicker. No I'm not saying these genjutsus will leave her completely immobilized or finished.
I don't know how tsunades strategy of fighting itachi would work if she decides not to look at his eyes. if intel goes both ways for them I would think itachi can use simple words to even make her look at him at some point. Something like mentioning someone close like jiraiya, can force her to make eye contact to see if he's serious. that's not what I'm bringing it down to though. I'm just trying to say how itachi generally understands how things work or finds a quick understanding by simply analyzing situations.
I know...I was just expressing my general opinions on the thread....why say someone vs. this person at half strength....it would never happen but thats just me. haha anywho in expressing myself I admitted that Tsunade would take this. If she has her healing ability...if not I say Itachi. Anyways nice chat...nice chat...
you are forgetting something OROCHIMARU TSUNADE AND JIRIAYA are 3 different people with different abilities. orochimaru being caught under a mere illusion; does not mean Tsunade will get caught too or easily get caught; their equally strong because of the sage mode each wields, apart from that their not on the same level. orochimaru doesn't have precise or perfect chackra control so its only natural for itachi to put him under a genjutsu. if he had it, then he wouldn't need tsunade to heal/restore/ or regrow is hands. tsunade is a senju; itachi is an uchiha both clans are equal; besides its those two main clans that makes up the so6p. with tsunade being a medical ninja (and to be one you need precise chackra control) then genjutsu wouldn't have much effect on her, in fact the chances of itachi putting her into an illusion is 1 out of 10( i'm not saying Tsunade cant be placed into an illusion at all but it definitely wouldn't be easy) the only genjutsu Itachi can use effectively on her are physical ones. hence; paralysis and she has paralysis also because she used it to save shikamaru's team in the past. Tsunade has being underrated throughout the NARUTO ANIME this whole time i dont know if its because she doesn't wields none of the five elements are has a keke gengei but saying a 3t itachi can beat her your also saying jiriaya, kakashi, guy, shikamaru's father and all the other powerful shinobi will loose to him. that's lame i cant take Itachi's side this time.
Where did you read that Tsunade has sage mode?:shrug: And according to narutopedia she has lightning style. Though maybe that was just only in the anime.
I will first quote myself to preface my future comments in this thread.
"While Itachi may be able to avoid direct hits from Tsunade via Sharingan reading of movements another issue arises in terms of taijutsu, the tendacy of her strikes to send shockwaves through the ground. Itachi would have no way of reading those. Not only does her her heavenly kick of pain do this but as seen with her scuffle with kabuto, as do her ground centered punched, and in her encounter with naruto her finger attack does as well. And while Itachi may think he has dodged the attack he may end up in a predicament very similar to Pein's Preta encountered when he tried avoid Naruto's punch.
Itachi had been held to Godly standards but if anything, his fight with Kabuto displayed that he can be caught off guard even by taijutsu. That he is not as capable as people thought he was. His bread and butter is his MS techniques. In most fights we've seen him win it's been because of those MS techniques. He one shotted Kakashi with Tsukuyomi. But was fatigued after. He stopped Kirin with Susanoo. He killed summons with Amaterasu. But what has he really done without he MS techniques? You removed those techniques from the equation so the burden of proving that he still has a chance against Tsunade relies on you.
Tsunade has proven her ability to tank katons.
Tsunade has proven that she is not slow.
Tsunade has proven her prowess in taijutsu.
Tsunade has proven her prowess in medical ninjutsu and in doing so her prowess in chakra control.
That is all that's needed to beat a 3 tomoe Itachi.
Three tomoe Itachi has 2 options try to engage Tsunade in direct hand to hand combat or try to use genjutsu on her.
Medical Ninjutsu requires precise chakra control. Tsunade has healed the citizens of her village twice.
The way in which genjutsu works is the caster controlling victim's chakra flow to the victim's head. However genjutsu can be countered if the victim is able to stop their own chakra flow. With such great chakra control this shouldn't pose much of a problem for Tsunade. I know 3 tomoe Itachi immobilized Orochimaru. This is true, but Orochimaru was not hailed as the greatest medical ninja nor has his chakra control been noted to be near Tsunade's level of expertise.
Because genjutsu would therefore serve as a waste of time, he would have to face her in CQC. Regardless of who you are it is doubtful that you can take Tsunade in CQC. Considering the way to kill Tsunade is either to exhaust her chakra or decapitate her Itachi has his work cut out for him having a kunai as his main form of weapon. He also does not have the option of blocking because the force of Tsunade's strike will break what ever he decides to block with. So he must engage in CQC with Tsunade without ever allowing himself to be touched. Let's not mention Katsuyu. Itachi's Katon's are not big enough to take down Katsuyu and may even be countered Katsuyu's acid. Beyond that how could Itachi go toe to toe with Tsunade while avoid being crushed or melted by Katsuyu?
I don't underestimate Itachi nor Overrate Tsunade. The fact of the matter is that Tsunade is a top tier fighter. As is Itachi. However, much of Itachi's fighting style relies on his MS. Taking that away makes him much weaker.
Now you say that Tsunade has no way past Yata Mirror. But considering she has Katsuyu who's acid must be more acidic than Mei's( as Katsuyu's easily and quickly melted rock and Mei's barely melted the rock wall in the room in which she was melting Sasuke's susanoo was not melting at all) Could attack Sasuke from Behind. Leaving a gaping whole in Susanoo.
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Furthermore Tsunade was able to get behind a Susanoo clone who has both EMS Sharingan and the Rinnegan Shared vision and strike it's back.
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As I've stated many times before Tsunade has an enormous supply of chakra and has shown she's able to act even when in extreme pain. So should Itachi decide to attack Tsunade with Amaterasu, the problem then becomes the fact that he has not proven himself particularly skilled with Enton. As Tsunade will continue to be on fire, that does not mean she cannot continue to attack. It is logical to assume that if she can bear to attack when impaled by two swords she can attack while burning. If she does so, Itachi's Susanoo will be set on fire as well. As the black flames will be working against him, he will have to suppress them. But suppressing them is pointless unless he suppresses the flames on Tsunade as she can continually set him on fire. Because he is not particularly skilled at Enton it will probably take a lot out of him to extinguish the black flames.
In order for the Totsuka Blade to be truly effective he has to hit Tsunade with it. Tsunade is the world's best medical ninja and we know that based on what she taught Sakura that healing is the secondary function of a medical nin, and avoiding attacks is the the primary task of a medical nin because if they die there's no one to heal the team.
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Therefore it only stands to reason that Tsunade is one of the most evasive characters in Naruto if her primary skill is evasion when her secondary skill is unparalleled. People mistake her decision to tank as an inability to avoid. But Madara's Katon is a perfect example of how she could have done either but chose to tank the attack. In addition if Tsunade's body were incapable of reacting quickly to attacks then Dan would not have been able to help her dodge Madara's attack as it still would have been impossible. There is a big difference between hitting large targets such as the heads of Oro's Hydra Tech and hitting a woman. There's a large difference between hitting a stationary man not paying attention and hitting an evasion specialist.
She should have some of the best chakra control in the narutoverse as the best medical nin
She also must understand very well the mechanics of genjutsu Tsukuyomi included based on how easily she healed Kakashi and Sasuke. Because she healed their injuries she should also have some idea of what to expect. Furthermore, even if she can't if she decides to use Katsuyu, a katsuyu that sits on her shoulder like the one she used during the Pein invasion should be capable of waking her. And her mental fortitude was great enough to overcome her deepest fear, so I'm not sure how damaging mentally Tsukuyomi would be for her, she may be able to tank the mental trauma.
You underrate Tsunade because you don't think critically about her skills and her feats and the implication it has in other settings.
Itachi is fast yes, but he's not leaps past Tsunade as Tsunade herself is not slow. In fact there are cannon sources of her moving faster than Jiraiya is able to use a jutsu. And Mei being able to use a jutsu.
People just assume Tsunade is slow. But her feats point to otherwise. What I'm saying is that because Itachi's only choice is to engage in CQC he will not be able to consistently dodge all of her attacks continually. When Kabuto did it she had not been battle since she left Konoha according to Kabuto. So she was a bit rusty then. If now, she has been training and has is fast enough to attack a EMS user I imagine she will hit Itachi with at least one strike.One shotting Katusyu with Amaterasu is not so easy as Katsuyu can divide and allow the part that is burning to continue to burn and leave the rest of her unscathed.
Tsunade's fear of blood was not caused by actual blood, but more of an idea that Dan's and Nawaki's blood was on her hands. It is an issue she's been able to deal with since. She not only overcame her fear of blood but got closure with Dan. There is no logical reason to assume she will regain hemophobia now. And Your assuming she is incapable of breaking out of Tsukuyomi.
Tsunade's healing them with ease means she knows exactly what part of the brain was affected and she knows how it damages the brain and how it works. Which makes her more prepared to face it.
Sasuke's genjutsu one shotted a medical ninja? No medical ninja in konoha could cure Sasuke or Kakashi of the effects of Tsukuyomi. No medical ninja in Sunagakure could heal Kankuro after Sasori had poisoned him. No other Medical ninja could counter Chiyo's poisons. Orochimaru trusted no other medical ninjas not even Kabuto to try to heal his arms. Why? Because Tsunade and her pupils are bounds ahead of regular medical ninjutsu. When Kabuto tried a technique similar to Tsunade's he was incapable of healing from a rasengan though he was considered a medical ninja prodigy. Tsunade though has healed from being impaled on more than one occasion."
Itachi side saying genjutsu and its over. Tsunade side's saying tsunade wins without an explanation or tsunade's summoning would break her out of genjutsu.
Anyway Itachi takes this more times. His ninjutsu's outside of ms will not pose a problem to Tsunade apart from possibly Suiton Suigadan and Bunshin Daibakuha. Medical ninja's have very high chakra control and Tsunade is the epitome of medic ninjutsu therefore genjutsu that isnt derived from the sharingan will not work on her. She isnt like orochimaru, therefore it would be very hard to catch her in a paralysis genjutsu like Magen Kasegui no Jutsu which she CANNOT break. However if she decide not to main eye contact with itachi i wonder what strategy she would take?
Tsunade is a mainly a taijutsu fighter. Her speed and reflexes will not trouble itachi and id go as far as saying itachi doesnt need the 3 tomoe sharingan against Tsunade's speed. Allowing him the sharingan, tsunade will NOT be able to land a hit on itachi and i dont even believe itachi will need any form of bunshin as a decoy against her taijutsu. She might rely on her summonings for help, however summonings can be controlled by the sharingan;
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To make it as brief as possible. Normal genjutsu wouldnt work on a medic apart from a paralysis genjutsu from the sharingan.
Tsunade's would have to either totally evade eye contact or keep it at a bare minimum.
She puts her main fighting style taijutsu in danger, but whats even worse, she with her speed itachi wouldnt need the 3 tomoe sharingan to evade them
Her summoning which could be of use can be controlled and used against her
Itachi clearly has more ways of winning than she does
Here she protects Naruto three times with great speed as no one saw her get into position to protect him they only saw her getting hit (these were her out of combat and still terrorized by blood)
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Notice where she starts and Jiraiya only gets to form one hand seal before the blade is there
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And when Mei couldn't respond to Madara's Katon in enough time Tsunade was reflexes and speed was great enogh to intercept the attack
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These are times she has blitzed opponents
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And you said that her speed is of no worry to a 3 tomoe sharingan yet somehow she manages to get behind a EMS Clone who also had rinnegan shared vision.
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In addition Tsunade analyzes an opponents fighting style so that she can adjust to take less damage and reason only dictates that she can adjust to have a better offense.
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And in terms of Katsuyu being caught in genjutsu all Tsunade needs to do is donate a small portion of chakra into a katsuyu mini to awaken her making genjutsu on katsuyu a moot point and a waste of chakra.
I will first quote myself to preface my future comments in this thread.
"While Itachi may be able to avoid direct hits from Tsunade via Sharingan reading of movements another issue arises in terms of taijutsu, the tendacy of her strikes to send shockwaves through the ground. Itachi would have no way of reading those. Not only does her her heavenly kick of pain do this but as seen with her scuffle with kabuto, as do her ground centered punched, and in her encounter with naruto her finger attack does as well. And while Itachi may think he has dodged the attack he may end up in a predicament very similar to Pein's Preta encountered when he tried avoid Naruto's punch.
Itachi had been held to Godly standards but if anything, his fight with Kabuto displayed that he can be caught off guard even by taijutsu. That he is not as capable as people thought he was. His bread and butter is his MS techniques. In most fights we've seen him win it's been because of those MS techniques. He one shotted Kakashi with Tsukuyomi. But was fatigued after. He stopped Kirin with Susanoo. He killed summons with Amaterasu. But what has he really done without he MS techniques? You removed those techniques from the equation so the burden of proving that he still has a chance against Tsunade relies on you.
Tsunade has proven her ability to tank katons.
Tsunade has proven that she is not slow.
Tsunade has proven her prowess in taijutsu.
Tsunade has proven her prowess in medical ninjutsu and in doing so her prowess in chakra control.
That is all that's needed to beat a 3 tomoe Itachi.
Three tomoe Itachi has 2 options try to engage Tsunade in direct hand to hand combat or try to use genjutsu on her.
Medical Ninjutsu requires precise chakra control. Tsunade has healed the citizens of her village twice.
The way in which genjutsu works is the caster controlling victim's chakra flow to the victim's head. However genjutsu can be countered if the victim is able to stop their own chakra flow. With such great chakra control this shouldn't pose much of a problem for Tsunade. I know 3 tomoe Itachi immobilized Orochimaru. This is true, but Orochimaru was not hailed as the greatest medical ninja nor has his chakra control been noted to be near Tsunade's level of expertise.
Because genjutsu would therefore serve as a waste of time, he would have to face her in CQC. Regardless of who you are it is doubtful that you can take Tsunade in CQC. Considering the way to kill Tsunade is either to exhaust her chakra or decapitate her Itachi has his work cut out for him having a kunai as his main form of weapon. He also does not have the option of blocking because the force of Tsunade's strike will break what ever he decides to block with. So he must engage in CQC with Tsunade without ever allowing himself to be touched. Let's not mention Katsuyu. Itachi's Katon's are not big enough to take down Katsuyu and may even be countered Katsuyu's acid. Beyond that how could Itachi go toe to toe with Tsunade while avoid being crushed or melted by Katsuyu?
I don't underestimate Itachi nor Overrate Tsunade. The fact of the matter is that Tsunade is a top tier fighter. As is Itachi. However, much of Itachi's fighting style relies on his MS. Taking that away makes him much weaker.
Now you say that Tsunade has no way past Yata Mirror. But considering she has Katsuyu who's acid must be more acidic than Mei's( as Katsuyu's easily and quickly melted rock and Mei's barely melted the rock wall in the room in which she was melting Sasuke's susanoo was not melting at all) Could attack Sasuke from Behind. Leaving a gaping whole in Susanoo.
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Furthermore Tsunade was able to get behind a Susanoo clone who has both EMS Sharingan and the Rinnegan Shared vision and strike it's back.
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As I've stated many times before Tsunade has an enormous supply of chakra and has shown she's able to act even when in extreme pain. So should Itachi decide to attack Tsunade with Amaterasu, the problem then becomes the fact that he has not proven himself particularly skilled with Enton. As Tsunade will continue to be on fire, that does not mean she cannot continue to attack. It is logical to assume that if she can bear to attack when impaled by two swords she can attack while burning. If she does so, Itachi's Susanoo will be set on fire as well. As the black flames will be working against him, he will have to suppress them. But suppressing them is pointless unless he suppresses the flames on Tsunade as she can continually set him on fire. Because he is not particularly skilled at Enton it will probably take a lot out of him to extinguish the black flames.
In order for the Totsuka Blade to be truly effective he has to hit Tsunade with it. Tsunade is the world's best medical ninja and we know that based on what she taught Sakura that healing is the secondary function of a medical nin, and avoiding attacks is the the primary task of a medical nin because if they die there's no one to heal the team.
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Therefore it only stands to reason that Tsunade is one of the most evasive characters in Naruto if her primary skill is evasion when her secondary skill is unparalleled. People mistake her decision to tank as an inability to avoid. But Madara's Katon is a perfect example of how she could have done either but chose to tank the attack. In addition if Tsunade's body were incapable of reacting quickly to attacks then Dan would not have been able to help her dodge Madara's attack as it still would have been impossible. There is a big difference between hitting large targets such as the heads of Oro's Hydra Tech and hitting a woman. There's a large difference between hitting a stationary man not paying attention and hitting an evasion specialist.
She should have some of the best chakra control in the narutoverse as the best medical nin
She also must understand very well the mechanics of genjutsu Tsukuyomi included based on how easily she healed Kakashi and Sasuke. Because she healed their injuries she should also have some idea of what to expect. Furthermore, even if she can't if she decides to use Katsuyu, a katsuyu that sits on her shoulder like the one she used during the Pein invasion should be capable of waking her. And her mental fortitude was great enough to overcome her deepest fear, so I'm not sure how damaging mentally Tsukuyomi would be for her, she may be able to tank the mental trauma.
You underrate Tsunade because you don't think critically about her skills and her feats and the implication it has in other settings.
Itachi is fast yes, but he's not leaps past Tsunade as Tsunade herself is not slow. In fact there are cannon sources of her moving faster than Jiraiya is able to use a jutsu. And Mei being able to use a jutsu.
People just assume Tsunade is slow. But her feats point to otherwise. What I'm saying is that because Itachi's only choice is to engage in CQC he will not be able to consistently dodge all of her attacks continually. When Kabuto did it she had not been battle since she left Konoha according to Kabuto. So she was a bit rusty then. If now, she has been training and has is fast enough to attack a EMS user I imagine she will hit Itachi with at least one strike.One shotting Katusyu with Amaterasu is not so easy as Katsuyu can divide and allow the part that is burning to continue to burn and leave the rest of her unscathed.
Tsunade's fear of blood was not caused by actual blood, but more of an idea that Dan's and Nawaki's blood was on her hands. It is an issue she's been able to deal with since. She not only overcame her fear of blood but got closure with Dan. There is no logical reason to assume she will regain hemophobia now. And Your assuming she is incapable of breaking out of Tsukuyomi.
Tsunade's healing them with ease means she knows exactly what part of the brain was affected and she knows how it damages the brain and how it works. Which makes her more prepared to face it.
Sasuke's genjutsu one shotted a medical ninja? No medical ninja in konoha could cure Sasuke or Kakashi of the effects of Tsukuyomi. No medical ninja in Sunagakure could heal Kankuro after Sasori had poisoned him. No other Medical ninja could counter Chiyo's poisons. Orochimaru trusted no other medical ninjas not even Kabuto to try to heal his arms. Why? Because Tsunade and her pupils are bounds ahead of regular medical ninjutsu. When Kabuto tried a technique similar to Tsunade's he was incapable of healing from a rasengan though he was considered a medical ninja prodigy. Tsunade though has healed from being impaled on more than one occasion."
Ok so you seem to underrate Tsunade's speed.
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Here she protects Naruto three times with great speed as no one saw her get into position to protect him they only saw her getting hit (these were her out of combat and still terrorized by blood)
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Notice where she starts and Jiraiya only gets to form one hand seal before the blade is there
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And when Mei couldn't respond to Madara's Katon in enough time Tsunade was reflexes and speed was great enogh to intercept the attack
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These are times she has blitzed opponents
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And you said that her speed is of no worry to a 3 tomoe sharingan yet somehow she manages to get behind a EMS Clone who also had rinnegan shared vision.
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In addition Tsunade analyzes an opponents fighting style so that she can adjust to take less damage and reason only dictates that she can adjust to have a better offense.
you are forgetting something OROCHIMARU TSUNADE AND JIRIAYA are 3 different people with different abilities. orochimaru being caught under a mere illusion; does not mean Tsunade will get caught too or easily get caught; their equally strong because of the sage mode each wields, apart from that their not on the same level. orochimaru doesn't have precise or perfect chackra control so its only natural for itachi to put him under a genjutsu. if he had it, then he wouldn't need tsunade to heal/restore/ or regrow is hands. tsunade is a senju; itachi is an uchiha both clans are equal; besides its those two main clans that makes up the so6p. with tsunade being a medical ninja (and to be one you need precise chackra control) then genjutsu wouldn't have much effect on her, in fact the chances of itachi putting her into an illusion is 1 out of 10( i'm not saying Tsunade cant be placed into an illusion at all but it definitely wouldn't be easy) the only genjutsu Itachi can use effectively on her are physical ones. hence; paralysis and she has paralysis also because she used it to save shikamaru's team in the past. Tsunade has being underrated throughout the NARUTO ANIME this whole time i dont know if its because she doesn't wields none of the five elements are has a keke gengei but saying a 3t itachi can beat her your also saying jiriaya, kakashi, guy, shikamaru's father and all the other powerful shinobi will loose to him. that's lame i cant take Itachi's side this time.
Unless you bring something that will harm or injure itachi offensively then no she loses
While on the other hand itachi has genjutsu that will cause her harm plz re read my other post she is not immune to attacks if caught in paralysis genjutsu she can break it sure orochimaru tried to break no agruement about that but the time he takes to do so leaves her vulnerable
Where did you read that Tsunade has sage mode?:shrug: And according to narutopedia she has lightning style. Though maybe that was just only in the anime.
I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU BUT SHIKKOTSURIN IS THE SLIMY SLUG SAGE. read over kabuto's fight with itachi. i think the only reason why she's holding back this power is because of vanity.
Why is the almighty Itachi blitzproof?
I've shown not only speed feats for Tsunade but multiple instances in which she blitzed characters that were considered faster than her.
Itachi side saying genjutsu and its over. Tsunade side's saying tsunade wins without an explanation or tsunade's summoning would break her out of genjutsu.
Anyway Itachi takes this more times. His ninjutsu's outside of ms will not pose a problem to Tsunade apart from possibly Suiton Suigadan and Bunshin Daibakuha. Medical ninja's have very high chakra control and Tsunade is the epitome of medic ninjutsu therefore genjutsu that isnt derived from the sharingan will not work on her. She isnt like orochimaru, therefore it would be very hard to catch her in a paralysis genjutsu like Magen Kasegui no Jutsu which she CANNOT break. However if she decide not to main eye contact with itachi i wonder what strategy she would take?
Tsunade is a mainly a taijutsu fighter. Her speed and reflexes will not trouble itachi and id go as far as saying itachi doesnt need the 3 tomoe sharingan against Tsunade's speed. Allowing him the sharingan, tsunade will NOT be able to land a hit on itachi and i dont even believe itachi will need any form of bunshin as a decoy against her taijutsu. She might rely on her summonings for help, however summonings can be controlled by the sharingan;
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To make it as brief as possible. Normal genjutsu wouldnt work on a medic apart from a paralysis genjutsu from the sharingan.
Tsunade's would have to either totally evade eye contact or keep it at a bare minimum.
She puts her main fighting style taijutsu in danger, but whats even worse, she with her speed itachi wouldnt need the 3 tomoe sharingan to evade them
Her summoning which could be of use can be controlled and used against her
Itachi clearly has more ways of winning than she does
1. I posted proofs of her blitzing skills.
2. I agree with you, summons can be controlled as we've seen with Manda BUT Manda has eyes, as the Kyuubi. Basic requirement for genjutsu is to look into the eyes. Katsuyu was drawn without eyes.
3. How? When all that Itachi's got is 3 sharingan tomoe and in battle Tsunade is known to be unparalleled?
I respect yOUR Opinion, but i Still can't See how can Chakra control Break you from a genjutsu , and Orochimaru after years and spending his Life in researching , i am Sure he can Do better than Sakura but Yet hee couldn't Break From the Spikes Genjutsu without Cutting his Hand
The genjutsus Differ from one to another , you can't Compare a sharingan Genjutsu to that FingeGenjutsu(i am not sure if that requires sharingan) or another one
" some forms of genjutsu like Itachi's Tsukuyomi and Shima and Fukasaku's Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant may not be broken easily, either due to their near-instant effect like the former, or their ability to render one unconscious and paralysed altogether like the latter. In addition, one must realise that he or she is under the effects of genjutsu before attempting to break out of it. This can be done by observing the changes in one's own chakra like Karin's chakra-sensing ability. "
this shows that The main reason why Sharingan genjutsus can't be Broken is Their paralyzing effect and not letting the Opponent roam free In the world of genjutsu like kakashi 's hands were Tied and he was paralyzed so , he couldn't do anything to Break Tsukyomi
1. I already told that several times. Her chakra control that would not be broken by the disruptance.
2. Yes, Orochimaru did all that but when it came to medical ninjutsu he still praised Tsunade.
3. Genjutsu (generally speaking, meaning it includes them all) is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their minds chakra, thereby affecting their five senses. Genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.
Who would know how to fix better the brain than Tsunade herself? If she has for example the technique activated, any type of damage done to her brain in order to do damage to the body, thanks to the techique it would be impossible because would counter it. Basically any damage that comes, either mental or pshysical, the jutsu will make it not work. It's link between the jutsu and the body. As in the technique is "programmed" to heal/resolve any irregularities that it feels in connection to the body.
And she bas been seen to cast the technique with no hand seals.
Plus with no hand seals she can release her chakra from the sign.
I saw the post, but I do have some life outside NB as well so next time when you'll not be seeing me posting right away, wait! I could do some other stuff.
I don't run from debates as long as they're logical.
I am not some fanboys of those who say that my "favourite character wins this because I say so!", I have backed-up my statements with common knowledge, feats of the characters and logical deduction of the basic knowledge of the facts.
Itachi has nothing to beat tsunade without mangekyou
even if they both had full knowledge of each other. Shuriken and Kunais don't matter. if she got her hand or head cut off she can heal
genjutsu does not work because of her chakra control right?
there's no possible way she would look into his eyes if she has knowledge of him because A. She can already manage against Madara B. She knows about the sharingan in general.
tsunade is not slow and can keep up with itachi and her having knowledge completely diminishes itachis traditional style of getting his opponents in genjutsu at the start.
She's a medical ninja and can tank katons with ease. Itachi can't beat katsuyu
Tsunade> 3 tomorrow itachi no doubt thanks versus for helping me establish this
1) How can Tsunade heal with her head cut off?:sy:
2) Tsunade is very slow compared to Itachi. Itachi moves so fast it's almost as if he's teleporting. Kakashi and Sasuke can't even keep up with him. With Killer Bee's Seven Swords Dance he could land several blows on Sasuke, but he couldn't land a single blow on Itachi.
3) She's not managing against Madara! He's obviously going easy on her.U_U
4) Itachi would destroy katsuyu. katsuyu is not even a battle summoning.
5) Even skilled ninjas have a tough time even knowing that they're in a genjutsu.
