IM SORRY IN ADVANCE IF THIS TURNS INTO A TOBI THREAD BUT I FELT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS. If you hate it for not being in the tobi sticky, you may want to skip this thread or even neg rep me. 
Also, im sorry if the information is clustered. I had this thing in my mind for a couple days and I tried to type a lot of it quickly while finding manga pages before I lose it. If it becomes confusing, please read the last paragraph, which might make more sense (with less words).
So, everything started (a little over) 80 years ago, but its unclear if Madara and Hashirama fought 80 yrs ago exactly.
But maybe Madara (the real one) was born around 80 years ago. There is nothing to discuss here, just felt like bringing it up.
Lets continue...
First, can we agree that in the page above, Madara is controlling the kyuubi? The REAL MADARA uses the Kyuubi against the first hokage (Hashirama) - close to the beginning of Konoha. It doesnt show how the kyuubi was controlled, but we can assume it was Madara's sharingan. From this, the kyuubi has a sense of Madara's chakra, which also leads to the kyuubi not liking Madara.
From the above page, I can conclude that Madara "brought" the Kyuubi to fight against Konoha/Hashirama and Hashirama "gained" control of it from Madara.
Next, we know from Kushina's story that TOBI ("the masked guy") controlled the Kyuubi and attacked Konoha 16 years ago from present. Naruto tells Kakashi and others here:
What I dont get is that this shows the Kyuubi being controlled 2 TIMES by a sharingan user. First was Madara in the fight against Hashirama, the second was from Tobi - 16 yrs ago. However, what really concerns me here is that the Kyuubi never distinguishes between these two incidents. The Kyuubi states he was controlled by Madara, but was the Kyuubi referring to the first incident of Madara or the second of Tobi? And if it doesnt matter, does that mean that both times the Kyuubi was controlled by the SAME chakra (that is madara's chakra)?
REMEMBER THIS...even the Kyuubi thinks that Madara is the one who controlled him "back then". The Kyuubi refers to being controlled by Madara, but never distinguishes between the two incidents.
We see the Tobi (from 16 yrs ago) controlling the Kyuubi. The Kyuubi recognizes Tobi (says "YOU") because of the either the sharingan or the chakra of Madara. Either way, it points to Madara and Tobi having a close relationship. Could it mean Tobi and Madara are the same person (with the same chakra or sharingan as the previous two times)? Obviously the sharingan isnt the same because Madara had that EMS vs Tobi just having MS (well its obito's we know that).
Kyuubi recognizes Madara's chakra and then helps Naruto.
Again, why doesnt the Kyuubi distinguish between Madara and Tobi? The Eight-tails and Naruto even mention the other battlefield where Kyuubi helped Naruto, but still nothing. I know at that instant they were fighting the beasts, but still...
I dont want to speculate on Tobi's identity all that much. However, I think the key for us is looking through the Kyuubi's eyes and figuring out something (or just wait as many of you might say for 2 more days).
What am I saying? The kyuubi is the only one (from the good side) who was actually alive when Madara and Hashirama fought as well as the attack from 16 years ago. When Naruto starts fighting the Edo-Madara, the Kyuubi senses Madara's chakra and helps Naruto with chakra to battle him due to his obvious dislike. Also the Kyuubi recognizes Tobi's eye (or chakra) from 16 years ago as Madara's by saying "YOU" when Tobi was releasing him from Kushina. So, is the Kyuubi not saying anything about Madara or Tobi to Naruto because the Kyuubi believes they both have the same chakra (or are even the same person)?
Also, im sorry if the information is clustered. I had this thing in my mind for a couple days and I tried to type a lot of it quickly while finding manga pages before I lose it. If it becomes confusing, please read the last paragraph, which might make more sense (with less words).
So, everything started (a little over) 80 years ago, but its unclear if Madara and Hashirama fought 80 yrs ago exactly.
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But maybe Madara (the real one) was born around 80 years ago. There is nothing to discuss here, just felt like bringing it up.
Lets continue...
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First, can we agree that in the page above, Madara is controlling the kyuubi? The REAL MADARA uses the Kyuubi against the first hokage (Hashirama) - close to the beginning of Konoha. It doesnt show how the kyuubi was controlled, but we can assume it was Madara's sharingan. From this, the kyuubi has a sense of Madara's chakra, which also leads to the kyuubi not liking Madara.
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From the above page, I can conclude that Madara "brought" the Kyuubi to fight against Konoha/Hashirama and Hashirama "gained" control of it from Madara.
Next, we know from Kushina's story that TOBI ("the masked guy") controlled the Kyuubi and attacked Konoha 16 years ago from present. Naruto tells Kakashi and others here:
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What I dont get is that this shows the Kyuubi being controlled 2 TIMES by a sharingan user. First was Madara in the fight against Hashirama, the second was from Tobi - 16 yrs ago. However, what really concerns me here is that the Kyuubi never distinguishes between these two incidents. The Kyuubi states he was controlled by Madara, but was the Kyuubi referring to the first incident of Madara or the second of Tobi? And if it doesnt matter, does that mean that both times the Kyuubi was controlled by the SAME chakra (that is madara's chakra)?
REMEMBER THIS...even the Kyuubi thinks that Madara is the one who controlled him "back then". The Kyuubi refers to being controlled by Madara, but never distinguishes between the two incidents.
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We see the Tobi (from 16 yrs ago) controlling the Kyuubi. The Kyuubi recognizes Tobi (says "YOU") because of the either the sharingan or the chakra of Madara. Either way, it points to Madara and Tobi having a close relationship. Could it mean Tobi and Madara are the same person (with the same chakra or sharingan as the previous two times)? Obviously the sharingan isnt the same because Madara had that EMS vs Tobi just having MS (well its obito's we know that).
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Kyuubi recognizes Madara's chakra and then helps Naruto.
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Again, why doesnt the Kyuubi distinguish between Madara and Tobi? The Eight-tails and Naruto even mention the other battlefield where Kyuubi helped Naruto, but still nothing. I know at that instant they were fighting the beasts, but still...
I dont want to speculate on Tobi's identity all that much. However, I think the key for us is looking through the Kyuubi's eyes and figuring out something (or just wait as many of you might say for 2 more days).
What am I saying? The kyuubi is the only one (from the good side) who was actually alive when Madara and Hashirama fought as well as the attack from 16 years ago. When Naruto starts fighting the Edo-Madara, the Kyuubi senses Madara's chakra and helps Naruto with chakra to battle him due to his obvious dislike. Also the Kyuubi recognizes Tobi's eye (or chakra) from 16 years ago as Madara's by saying "YOU" when Tobi was releasing him from Kushina. So, is the Kyuubi not saying anything about Madara or Tobi to Naruto because the Kyuubi believes they both have the same chakra (or are even the same person)?
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