Why do you not want/be mad if tobi is obito?

[Sasuke2]

If Tobi turns out to be Obito, it'll probably be explained that Obito had a jutsu used on him to heal his body but it made him age into an older man. That's the only way I could see Tobi being Obito.

you forgot had given him all that knowledge, made him strong and evil as well xd

 

[saw2097]

There are supposed to be plot holes the series isn't finished. Obito has the most emotional impact which just from a story telling perspective makes him my perfered choice. A lot of the plot holes people keep saying actually could be explained I can think of several theories, except for the time line.

I have by process of elimination narrowed Tobi down to three people, they are the only ones the could be Tobi and make sense from a story perspective, plot holes are there deliberetly to keep us guessing pluss lying is common place, Tobi twists the truth a lot.

The three candidates are Obito, The Elder son of the SO6P, and the most odd one Nawaki.

Tobi has Senju DNA, and Tobi being Nawaki would carry an emotional impact adn it would be a suprise. Plus Nawaki would fit the time line. And he is very similar to Naruto in many ways, creating a connection.

The Elder Son would view Naruto as the rebirth of his younger brother making a connection there.

Obito would have the biggest impact and leave a great deal of questions. Remember whoever he is, Tobi does know Kakashi and Might Guy personally. Otherwise why would he be wearing a mask. He is hiding his identity for a reason.

 

[saw2097]

Kakashi was stronger than Obito... then a year later, "Obito" comes and fights 4th Hokage with Kurama under his control?
cool story bro

Naruto changed fast too. If Tobi is Obito then he was most likely trained by Madara. Plus Madara may have done something to enhance his body in order to make him stronger and to repair the damage from the boulder.

 

[Hawker Fury]

Well For now i will assume that Obito san is dead however as we have seen in Naruto in the past that does not mean his body stayed put...

Its possible that Kishi will reveal Tobi to be Obito only to discover that the body was possessed by a demon or spirit (something like that). I will use one example to this theory... it doesn't prove anything but it is something to think about.

"I want to create a world were heroes don't have to make apologies in front of graveyards" by the way in which episode did tobi say that?

any way how would Obito know about this? yes we could claim that it was Zetsu spying but i do not think Zetsu was active at such an early date... unless one was told to constantly tag along with Kakashi later on.

i have no way of backing that but its my opinion; Obito could only learn about this if he was there or at least whatever commands his body now was there. From what i remember from the Tobi vs Forth Hokage episode Tobi seemed to be in a more primitive form then the one he was in at the start of shipudden and his current form, He also seemed far weaker at this time.

I do not think he is the same person as Obito because the way he behaved in the fight against the forth Hokage simply does not seem like the way Obito no matter what agenda or personality would behave. It seems that Tobi in that battle has no familiarity with Minato or his fighting styles and i find it strange that tobi now has so much information.
Yes it could be Zetsu's but i like to think its something more complicated then that.

 

[Raffnir]

Im nor mad.

Kakashi :kakashi: is my favorite Charakter in Naruto and i think it will be awesome if Tobi is Obito.
I like to see all the flashbacks from Kakashia and Obito and Rin,

ALL!!!!!
wease:

 

[saw2097]

Well For now i will assume that Obito san is dead however as we have seen in Naruto in the past that does not mean his body stayed put...

Its possible that Kishi will reveal Tobi to be Obito only to discover that the body was possessed by a demon or spirit (something like that). I will use one example to this theory... it doesn't prove anything but it is something to think about.

"I want to create a world were heroes don't have to make apologies in front of graveyards" by the way in which episode did tobi say that?

any way how would Obito know about this? yes we could claim that it was Zetsu spying but i do not think Zetsu was active at such an early date... unless one was told to constantly tag along with Kakashi later on.

i have no way of backing that but its my opinion; Obito could only learn about this if he was there or at least whatever commands his body now was there. From what i remember from the Tobi vs Forth Hokage episode Tobi seemed to be in a more primitive form then the one he was in at the start of shipudden and his current form, He also seemed far weaker at this time.

I do not think he is the same person as Obito because the way he behaved in the fight against the forth Hokage simply does not seem like the way Obito no matter what agenda or personality would behave. It seems that Tobi in that battle has no familiarity with Minato or his fighting styles and i find it strange that tobi now has so much information.
Yes it could be Zetsu's but i like to think its something more complicated then that.

If it isn't complicated then it will be a major let down. Izuna or a Zetsu clone would lead to a very simple explanation. When we learn who it is, it has to be a revelation that changes everything and breaks the rules, its called the big twist, all the characters have to reconsider everything when they learn his identity.

There has to be a shock thats why Izuna and a Zetsu clone are the most unlikely to be Tobi because that would be too simple. It has to create plot holes so that Kishi can fill them up with new facts. Plus it has to make it personal for the good guys. It has to be a punch in the gut.


Kind of like Darth Vader being Luke's father. I view Tobi as Darth Vader and Madara as the Emperor. We are going to get that nooooooooooo moment from the good guys.

 

[Evolve81]

There are supposed to be plot holes the series isn't finished. Obito has the most emotional impact which just from a story telling perspective makes him my perfered choice. A lot of the plot holes people keep saying actually could be explained I can think of several theories, except for the time line.

I have by process of elimination narrowed Tobi down to three people, they are the only ones the could be Tobi and make sense from a story perspective, plot holes are there deliberetly to keep us guessing pluss lying is common place, Tobi twists the truth a lot.

The three candidates are Obito, The Elder son of the SO6P, and the most odd one Nawaki.

Tobi has Senju DNA, and Tobi being Nawaki would carry an emotional impact adn it would be a suprise. Plus Nawaki would fit the time line. And he is very similar to Naruto in many ways, creating a connection.

The Elder Son would view Naruto as the rebirth of his younger brother making a connection there.

Obito would have the biggest impact and leave a great deal of questions. Remember whoever he is, Tobi does know Kakashi and Might Guy personally. Otherwise why would he be wearing a mask. He is hiding his identity for a reason.

Oooooookaaaaay
What is up with all of these EMO people saying "Oh the story would be much better emotionally if Obito is Tobi"?

Who the hell gives a damn about the EMO quality that a character brings to this senario!? We just want this out come to be intriguing and make sense to where it is food for thought, not some "oh that is so touchingly obvious that Tobi Ends up being Obito oh me oh my"...... Give me a break If Tobi turns out to be Obito then Naruto is going to end rather quickly. If Tobi ends up being Kagami then we have a lot more to discover about the Naruto world than what Kishi has shown.

So pick your poison, End Naruto or discover new possibilities.

 

[Edge]

Oooooookaaaaay
What is up with all of these EMO people saying "Oh the story would be much better emotionally if Obito is Tobi"?

Who the hell gives a damn about the EMO quality that a character brings to this senario!? We just want this out come to be intriguing and make sense to where it is food for thought, not some "oh that is so touchingly obvious that Tobi Ends up being Obito oh me oh my"...... Give me a break If Tobi turns out to be Obito then Naruto is going to end rather quickly. If Tobi ends up being Kagami then we have a lot more to discover about the Naruto world than what Kishi has shown.

So pick your poison, End Naruto or discover new possibilities.

And what's more, Tobi likely isn't even the final villain. His identity and back story regardless of who he turns out to be is all he's got going for him IMO.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kishimoto can't just pull some BS explanation out of his ass, which is what he'd have to do if Tobi is Obito.

 

[leezagboola]

it makes no sense for it to be obito, or izuna. here are the reason for obito
1. when he died he was smiling and willingly gave up his eye to kakashi saying how he always wanted to look after the village through kakashi, why would he try to attack it now?
2. he was the pretty much same age and same build as kakashi, how is he suddenly an old man when he is fighting minato, only about 1 year after obito died. and es it is 1 year because the 9 tails attacked 12 years before the start of the series when kakashi was 14, and he was 13 when he was promoted to jounin.
3. How would he even have mastered his sharigan to mangekyo sharingan in one year and having developed the space time ninjutsu all by himself?
And for izuna, i have only one reason
if him and madara were on the same level, both as powerful as each other, why would izuna come back saying he was madara. He would just say im izuna which is just as good. They were rivals, would guy ever say he was kakashi to make people think he was more powerful? No!

 

[Kikki]

I wouldn`t be mad. It`s Kishi`s decision who Tobi is and I would dislike a fanbased voting on who the fans want him to be. That kills all artistic freedom.

I`d rather have him be Madara which won`t work because Madara is elsewhere. I`d also rather have him be Izuna or another big Uchiha person (he should really be Uchiha nuff said). These two people are charismatic enough. Obito was just some little child and it makes little sense for me so far that it would be him.

I`d rather have him be Oro or Zetsu, that`s at least cool bad guys. I think you know what I mean. Obito...silly.

Another reason is that silly cheap name similarity. Come on, Kishi, you can surprise us, can`t you?

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

coz it would be too obvious, dum, corny and i tought of kishi as a great writer (messes up abit...) but he is great, and a great writer can make a mysterious character that when revealed can shock you (theory of the so6p older son) but ..... obito :sy: ... no
and whats gona be even dumer is the explanation that i don't even wana hear U_U

 

[Whiteknight]

I have a VERY LONG REPLY to this question, so for anybody who is going to complain about "wall of text", don't bother reading it all.

I have seen people say "I don't want tobi" to be obito and "if kishi makes obito be tobi he is a troll"

But I would like to ask why? There are plot holes in all theories apart from Kagami but even if tobi is kagami kishi would still have to explain his life and his connection to madara.

If it's Obito, I would be very disappointed for a variety of reasons, and it would be a major failure in terms of story-telling for Kishi. It would contradict some of the major themes from the manga so far, it's a story that we've already seen before with Pain, it would be a remarkable piece of deus ex machina convenience, and it would completely turn the plot upside-down and make a very big story into a very small one.

Expand for a larger explanation, but I warned you it will be VERY LONG.

Spoiler

As an example of some other laziness recently, We've seen that Tobi can apparently resurrect the Juubi WITHOUT capturing Naruto or Bee first. That opens up some major plot holes, and makes Tobi look like a gigantic idiot when he's supposed to be this genius schemer. And if Tobi is a gigantic idiot there's not a whole lot of suspense because compared to "heros" and "geniuses" like Naruto and Kakashi, an idiot cannot win so there's nothing to worry about. HOWEVER, we accept this shortcut because it seems like Kishi has a larger story to tell and he's cutting some corners to rush the story to the important ending. The important part is not that Tobi is some genius mastermind, the important part is that the Juubi is resurrected, creates an existential threat, and Naruto is one of the only people in the world able to save the day.

Back to topic: One of the big themes of the manga, from the very beginning, is that The Will of Fire (the desire to help and protect the people you care about) is what makes a ninja truly strong. This is why Orochimaru could not win, even though Hiruzen died. This is why Naruto was able to unlock his hidden power and Save Sasuke on the bridge. It's why Naruto was able to defeat Kiba AND Neji in the chuunin exams, two ninja who were supposed to be way above his level. It's why Naruto was able to defeat Pain, and it's why Naruto keeps pursuing Sasuke and refusing to give up his attempt to redeem his old friend. It's why Hashirama defeated Madara, and why Super Edo Madara with Rinnegan Version 2 STILL considers Hashirama to be his equal or better. In short, this idea of the Will of Fire IS THE ENTIRE MANGA. The idea is that the Will of Fire is the source of true strength, allowing an "idiot" like Naruto to defeat some of the most powerful enemies and some of the most over-powered techniques in the entire world.

Obito is a person who apparently had the will of fire. So did Itachi and So did Shisui (I mention these because apparently the Uchiha are the source for the alternative, the Curse of Hatred).

Pain was engulfed by the Curse of Hatred until he met and fought Naruto. At that point, Pain's viewpoint changed to the Will of Fire, he brought everybody back to life, betrayed Akatsuki, and died as a real hero with a smile on his face. Konan, likewise, was a founding member of Akatsuki, but gained the will of fire and died to protect the people she lived (or, to protect their memory and the respect due to their corpses). Also, at the time Konan represented the single largest threat to Tobi, injuring him significantly and causing him to sacrifice one of his precious sharingan eyes.

Look at Pain's story more closely: He was trained by one of the "main line" Konoha ninja, Jiraya. I say "main line" for people who are in a direct teacher/student relationship chain that links all the way back up to Hashirama. Pain was trained by Jiraya who was trained by Hiruzen who was trained by Hashirama. I'll talk more about this later. Pain should have been a good guy, because he was trained by one of the good guys. However, Pain experienced some pretty bad things, was manipulated by Tobi and became a bad guy. Now look back at Tobi. If Tobi is Obito we have the same story. Obito was trained by one of the "main line" Konoha ninja (Hashirama->Hiruzen->Jiraya->Minato->Obito) so he should have been a good guy. His last words and actions do indeed suggest that he was a successful recipient of the Will of Fire. However, he clearly turned into a bad guy which means at some point he must have been manipulated by somebody else who was a bad guy (Madara?). That's the same exact story, and it's extremely lazy for Kishi to do the exact same thing with two completely different characters.

If Tobi is Obito, then the will of fire is just something that can be discarded for no good reason. Even though Obito had the will of fire, and taught it to Kakashi (and Kakashi has CLEARLY become very powerful because of it, and Naruto even more so), Obito gave it up for no stated reason and somehow became more powerful than Naruto and Kakashi combined. That seems to contradict the idea that The Will of Fire is more powerful than the Curse of Hatred. The idea that Obito went from being a major source of the Will of Fire to becoming a major source of the Curse of Hatred, all while inexplicably faking his own death, is a really hard pill to swallow.

Further, if it is Obito, the entire story has gotten extremely small. The whole plot is, essentially, one of Minato's students (Obito) versus another one of his students (Kakashi), and Naruto is just a representation or avatar of Kakashi's world view. The story should have been renamed "Kakashi" since he's the star, and his friend is the enemy, and his sensei's son is his student and almost nobody else really matters. Look at the teacher/student relationship tree from Konoha alone, divided by teacher/student "generation". This is the "main line" of Konoha ninja that I mentioned above:

1) Hashirama (the most powerful ninja who ever lived, founder of Konoha, the source of DNA magic which is powering Zetsu and Akatsuki, Arch-nemesis of Madara, direct descendent in DNA and Mindset from the Sage of 6 Paths) and Tobirama
2) Hiruzen (Third Hokage, Major influential figure in Konoha over two wars and several decades, student of Hashirama and Tobirama), Danzo (also taught by Hashirama and Tobirama, a shadowy figure who was behind several major events and problems in the manga)
3) Tsunade (Fifth Hokage, major general in the allied shinobi army, world-famous Sennin), Jiraya (Considered for position of Fifth Hokage, world-famous sennin, sensei to both Minato and Naruto, Sensei to the ame orphans, who would later go on to found Akatsuki), Orochimaru (Major villain of Part 1, Major "third power" actor of part 2. Mentor to Kabuto AND Sasuke. Enemy of Konoha and Akatsuki. Founder of his own hidden village. Attacked and nearly destroyed Konoha once, has plans to try again)
4) Minato (Student of Jiraya, Fourth Hokage, Father of Naruto, Husband of Kushina, single-handedly helped to win the third ninja war. Considered one of the strongest ninja of his time), Nagato (Student of Jiraya, has the legendary Rinnegan, Founding member of Akatsuki, leader of Amegakure, invaded and destroyed Konoha, helped capture and sealed the first seven bijuu, the only ones Tobi currently owns), Kabuto (accomplice and student of Orochimaru. The "successor" of sorts to Orochimaru's research, techniques and motivations, a major enemy and accomplice to Tobi in the second half of part 2, The source of the Edo Tensei technique as used in the war, which allowed many plot threads such as unresolved issues between the living and the dead to be finally resolved)
5) Kakashi (Student of Minato, favored candidate to become Sixth Hokage, legendary world-renowned hero of the sharingan), Obito (Apparently he's Tobi now, the major enemy from Part 2, started the fourth great ninja war by himself, resurrected the Juubi by himself, has plans for world domination that the entire allied shinobi force is having trouble combating).
6) Naruto (Student of Kakashi and Jiraya, Primary series protagonist, some sort of legendary "reincarnation" of the sage of 6 paths, subject of several prophecies, Owner of the most powerful of the 9 Bijuu, war hero), Sasuke (Whiny crybaby that fanboys love. Also he's been a major focus of the plot even though he's just a pawn that other, better enemies have used and abused).

I'm going to call this list the main line "inheritance path" of the Will of Fire. Hashirama has created that idea and passed it down from teacher to student through 6 "generations" to Naruto. Some people didn't get the message along the way (Orochimaru, Pain, Sasuke), and some people got a really weird version of the message (Danzo), but that doesn't mean the message wasn't there.

I would include Itachi in that list as well, but I don't know who his sensei is (was it Danzo?).

You see what I mean? In only 6 "generations" of Konoha student/teacher relationships, there are direct relationships between ALL of the major heros and enemies of the entire manga, past and present EXCEPT Madara. That part is important. Madara is the only person who represents a completely separate lineage, and a completely separate alternative world view. The big question is this: Is Tobi a direct recipient of Hashirama's world view and it got corrupted (same exact thing that happened, in different degrees, with Danzo and Orochimaru), or is Tobi a direct recipient of Madara's world view? Which of these makes more sense?

And before somebody speaks up and says "but there were other enemies in the manga who weren't part of this group", let me stop you right there. The rest of Akatsuki were just temporary fodder ninja and are all dead. None of them played more than a temporary role in the manga. The rest of the "Konoha 11", who played such important roles in part 1 have basically all become fodder ninja as well, mixed up in the larger war effort and not doing anything special or playing any important roles in the plot of part 2. Almost no other ninja in the entire manga has any sort of backstory at all.

This is the problem with Kishi's storytelling so far, and it's a problem that will get even bigger if Obito turns out to be Tobi: All the major players in the war are connected to each other. The whole idea that it's a world problem, and that all the ninja villages are in this together is crap. It's a Konoha problem, between a very small set of elite Konoha ninja. Has any other village contributed to the major plot of the story so far? Barely, if you consider that Akatsuki was founded in Amegakure by residents of that village (as motivated by Konoha's actions in the second world war, and as trained by Jiraya). So even in cases where other villages have played any part, almost all of it was motivated and encouraged by this small set of Konoha ninja. We can extend "almost all" to "all" by including Madara in this list. Think about that. Not a single major event, IN THE ENTIRE WORLD has happened in several decades that wasn't directly or indirectly caused by Hashirama and his followers, or Madara himself. That's a pretty small world.

So if this list above is the major inheritance path for the Will of Fire, than Tobi=Obito implies that there's a major flaw in that ideology. However, IF Tobi is somebody else like a relative or student of Madara (the local originator of the Curse of Hatred), that helps to broaden things up a little bit. At least in that case, there isn't a direction teacher/student relationship chain between Tobi and Hashirama, but there could be a direct one between Tobi and Madara.

IF you consider that Izuna is basically on the level with Madara, and other Uchiha (Fugaku, possibly Kagame) have inherited the Curse of Hatred from Madara through these kinds of relationships, then you show a clear lineage. Madara and the people who follow his lessons are the bad guys, generally. Hashirama and his followers are the good guys (with several BIG exceptions). Madara And Izuna are the central points of the Curse of Hatred, and they help to "infect" other people around the world with that message (Akatsuki members, predominantly). Even though Madara and the Uchiha were also from Konoha, this helps to expand the story and make it seem like things are a little bit bigger and the whole world really is involved in this war.

So that's the problem with Obito being Tobi. It makes this whole big world war into a very small clan conflict that a lot of other nations are involved in for no reason. It also shows that Madara and Tobi (an avatar for Madara for much of the manga) have no direct relationship, which raises the question as to why their motivations are so similar. Pain was clearly motivated by Tobi so there's a clear relationship there. Orochimaru wasn't motivated by either Tobi or Madara so even though Orochimaru is a bad guy he's a bad guy for his own reasons. By having Tobi be somebody who HAD the will of fire AND WAS a direct recipient of Hashirama's teachings through a direct teacher/student chain, that just muddles the entire story and makes all the themes from the entire manga meaningless.

By the way, some people will point out that Sasuke was also a direct teacher/student recipient of the Will of Fire, but seems to be an embodiment of the Curse of Hatred. Well, not really. Sasuke has been heavily manipulated and lately seems to want to make his own decisions. If anything, Sasuke is more an embodiment of Orochimaru's third option, being a criminal with dreams of personal revenge and gaining personal power, without actually buying into the Curse of Hatred as Madara and Tobi know it. Tobi WANTED Sasuke to follow the Curse of Hatred, but Sasuke is instead picking a third option and following Orochimaru.

So basically, there are three "schools" in the manga:
1) The Will of Fire ("peace through love and understanding")
2) The Curse of Hatred ("peace through conquest and power, also get revenge on the Senju")
3) Orochimaru's third way ("conquest and power through research, forget peace. Also, get revenge against people who wrong you")

Saying that just about ALL the villains and heros and main characters of the manga come out of the first school, but the enemies are suddenly pretending to follow the second school is kind of lame. It was fine when Pain did it, because he's just one person who was easy for Tobi to manipulate. To say that Tobi's story is basically exactly the same as Pain's story is kind of lame. And then to say that Tobi tried the exact same thing on Sasuke, but failed, is even more lame. If Tobi is somebody who is legitimately part of the second school, that helps expand things and helps to make the conflict more real, and makes the division between people more obvious.

 

[Goodboy]

I have seen people say "I don't want tobi" to be obito and "if kishi makes obito be tobi he is a troll"

But I would like to ask why? There are plot holes in all theories apart from Kagami but even if tobi is kagami kishi would still have to explain his life and his connection to madara.

If tobi is izuna kishi will have to explain:

• Why he is not dead when we saw him in his coffin

• How a 90+ year old man is able to do all this (possibly zetsu DNA)

If tobi is obito he would have to explain these quotes:

• "My battle with the 1st" "Hashirama is the man I hated and respected most" "I gave nagato the rinnegan" "I incouraged yahiko" (Possibly because he was posing as madara)

So basically whoever tobi is kishi has some explaining to do and for me this is what's going to be the epic bit about his identity, kishi covering and explaing all the plot holes for whoever tobi is. And who he will connect it to the current characters in the naruto world today.

Anyway the back to my question, if tobi is obito why is kishi a troll? and why would you be mad?

thats a dumb question becouse that isnt even possible

 

[Imperius]

because a kid makes a genius like minato believe hes madara, a kid makes a demonic fox that lived thousands of years believe hes madara

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Wow I didn't know this thread was still going on, I forgot I made it.

There are supposed to be plot holes the series isn't finished. Obito has the most emotional impact which just from a story telling perspective makes him my perfered choice. A lot of the plot holes people keep saying actually could be explained I can think of several theories, except for the time line.

I have by process of elimination narrowed Tobi down to three people, they are the only ones the could be Tobi and make sense from a story perspective, plot holes are there deliberetly to keep us guessing pluss lying is common place, Tobi twists the truth a lot.

The three candidates are Obito, The Elder son of the SO6P, and the most odd one Nawaki.

Tobi has Senju DNA, and Tobi being Nawaki would carry an emotional impact adn it would be a suprise. Plus Nawaki would fit the time line. And he is very similar to Naruto in many ways, creating a connection.

The Elder Son would view Naruto as the rebirth of his younger brother making a connection there.

Obito would have the biggest impact and leave a great deal of questions. Remember whoever he is, Tobi does know Kakashi and Might Guy personally. Otherwise why would he be wearing a mask. He is hiding his identity for a reason.

True words very true words, apart from nawaki. Simply because of hair colour

Well For now i will assume that Obito san is dead however as we have seen in Naruto in the past that does not mean his body stayed put...

Its possible that Kishi will reveal Tobi to be Obito only to discover that the body was possessed by a demon or spirit (something like that). I will use one example to this theory... it doesn't prove anything but it is something to think about.

"I want to create a world were heroes don't have to make apologies in front of graveyards" by the way in which episode did tobi say that?

any way how would Obito know about this? yes we could claim that it was Zetsu spying but i do not think Zetsu was active at such an early date... unless one was told to constantly tag along with Kakashi later on.

i have no way of backing that but its my opinion; Obito could only learn about this if he was there or at least whatever commands his body now was there. From what i remember from the Tobi vs Forth Hokage episode Tobi seemed to be in a more primitive form then the one he was in at the start of shipudden and his current form, He also seemed far weaker at this time.

I do not think he is the same person as Obito because the way he behaved in the fight against the forth Hokage simply does not seem like the way Obito no matter what agenda or personality would behave. It seems that Tobi in that battle has no familiarity with Minato or his fighting styles and i find it strange that tobi now has so much information.
Yes it could be Zetsu's but i like to think its something more complicated then that.

Possible stuff but kishi would have to clear it up.

Oooooookaaaaay
What is up with all of these EMO people saying "Oh the story would be much better emotionally if Obito is Tobi"?

Who the hell gives a damn about the EMO quality that a character brings to this senario!? We just want this out come to be intriguing and make sense to where it is food for thought, not some "oh that is so touchingly obvious that Tobi Ends up being Obito oh me oh my"...... Give me a break If Tobi turns out to be Obito then Naruto is going to end rather quickly. If Tobi ends up being Kagami then we have a lot more to discover about the Naruto world than what Kishi has shown.

So pick your poison, End Naruto or discover new possibilities.

Who said if tobi is obito things are ending? And whoever tobi is it's gonna take explaining there are plot holes in all the theories.

As long as the explanations are entertaining and doesn't feel like BS I'm cool

Kishimoto can't just pull some BS explanation out of his ass, which is what he'd have to do if Tobi is Obito.

You underrate kishi anything kishi comes up with will not be BS.

it makes no sense for it to be obito, or izuna. here are the reason for obito
1. when he died he was smiling and willingly gave up his eye to kakashi saying how he always wanted to look after the village through kakashi, why would he try to attack it now?
2. he was the pretty much same age and same build as kakashi, how is he suddenly an old man when he is fighting minato, only about 1 year after obito died. and es it is 1 year because the 9 tails attacked 12 years before the start of the series when kakashi was 14, and he was 13 when he was promoted to jounin.
3. How would he even have mastered his sharigan to mangekyo sharingan in one year and having developed the space time ninjutsu all by himself?
And for izuna, i have only one reason
if him and madara were on the same level, both as powerful as each other, why would izuna come back saying he was madara. He would just say im izuna which is just as good. They were rivals, would guy ever say he was kakashi to make people think he was more powerful? No!

Dude you can't just say because of plot holes tobi can't be obito or izuna kishi wrote the story he put the plot holes there on purpose

coz it would be too obvious, dum, corny and i tought of kishi as a great writer (messes up abit...) but he is great, and a great writer can make a mysterious character that when revealed can shock you (theory of the so6p older son) but ..... obito :sy: ... no
and whats gona be even dumer is the explanation that i don't even wana hear U_U

What do you mean it was to obvious do you know how long we thought tobi was uchiha madara for -_- we have only thought he was obito for 4 chapters. For months and years people have said obito is dead there is no way it can be him. So how has it bee "too obvious" -_-

because a kid makes a genius like minato believe hes madara, a kid makes a demonic fox that lived thousands of years believe hes madara

Who said nine tails thought obito was madara?
Minato asked if he was madara and then said no he is dead and tobi replied I don't know about that. That was all that happened

 

[Sharinguy]

Tobi pretty much says himself that he aint obito (atleast thats how i get it) in manga chapter 501 page 7 if you just read it carefully.

 

[KidGamer65]

Dude you can't just say because of plot holes tobi can't be obito or izuna kishi wrote the story he put the plot holes there on purpose

You seem to be misunderstanding something, Kishi wrote most of part 2 knowing who Tobi is, he wrote the story so eventually he could make it fit with Tobi's identity. You can't just say it can be anyone because he put the plot holes there on purpose cause that makes no sense.

 

[NarutoFan20]

Man Tobi Better not be Obito cuz look What I found

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[KidGamer65]

You underrate kishi anything kishi comes up with will not be BS.

I'm not underrating him, i know he won't pull some BS explanation out of his ass, that's why he can't be Obito, if he were Obito he would need to do that.