Can Sennin Mode escape Genjutsu?

[Megatolium]

Its endless harvesting of Nature Chakra can make it possible for Genjutsu to disrupt chakra flow. Would this save Naruto when the Infinite Tsukuyomi is activated?

Also another question, since Kurama is considered friendly now, can Ma and Pa finally merge chakra with Kurama to create a new power?

Sage Mode+Kurama Mode = Possible full sennin mode, similar to Rikodou Sennin's appearance..



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[DeathByHugs]

No, otherwise why would Kabuto bother closing his eyes during that whole fight???

 

[FlareBlitz]

Well for one kurama will just break naruto out of genjutsu he doeant need sage mode to break it...and another thing he doesn't need ma and pa...the only reasin jairaya sumoned them was because he hadn't mastered sage mode.

But naruto did merge sage mode and kox chakra durring the time he was fighting pain so maybe its a hint towards another future power up.

 

[Megatolium]

That was Izanami not ordinary Genjutsu. Also im referring to Naruto here, his clones supply him with endless amount of chakra. Supplying chakra while in genjutsu can break it, since its just disruption and manipulation of chakra.

 

[Megatolium]

Well for one kurama will just break naruto out of genjutsu he doeant need sage mode to break it...and another thing he doesn't need ma and pa...the only reasin jairaya sumoned them was because he hadn't mastered sage mode.

But naruto did merge sage mode and kox chakra durring the time he was fighting pain so maybe its a hint towards another future power up.

Kurama is being externally used now, there is risk he can fall into genjutsu.

 

[FlareBlitz]

Kurama's chakr pool is extrordinary also naruto naturally has a huge chakra pool too. Combine them and u have too much chakra than u know what to do with.

 

[Negative Knight]

It's a very interesting thought but i would have to disagree, simply due to the nature of Infinite Tskuyomni. Sennin mode would be able to break regular tsukyomni with ease but the inifinite version is on such a magnitude that successfully breaking out would only mean falling back into it due to the moon acting as a colossal Sharingan which's view cannot be escape unless underground or etc.

To put it simply if sennin mode could break Infinite Tskuymoni then it would recast itself immediately and Naruto would enter one massive loop.

 

[Chatte]

It's a very interesting thought but i would have to disagree, simply due to the nature of Infinite Tskuyomni. Sennin mode would be able to break regular tsukyomni with ease but the inifinite version is on such a magnitude that successfully breaking out would only mean falling back into it due to the moon acting as a colossal Sharingan which's view cannot be escape unless underground or etc.

To put it simply if sennin mode could break Infinite Tskuymoni then it would recast itself immediately and Naruto would enter one massive loop.

This just came in my mind...
Tsunade healed both Kakashi and Sasuke of normal Tsukyomi, I wonder how would she deal with Infinite Tsukyomi?
And what's her secret behind healing normal Tsukyomi?

 

[Negative Knight]

This just came in my mind...
Tsunade healed both Kakashi and Sasuke of normal Tsukyomi, I wonder how would she deal with Infinite Tsukyomi?
And what's her secret behind healing normal Tsukyomi?

This is mostly assumptions based on logic but:

Tsunade most likely healed Tskuymoni by healing damaged chakra veins (genjutsu interferes with chakra flow) which meant that Sasuke's flow of chakra returned back to normal and he was able to gain consciousness.

However Infinite Tsukymoni is on such a scale it is no longer cast by a indiviudal but instead the Juubi using the moon as its immense mirror. I highly doubt Tsunade could deal with it and even if she were able to the healed person would fall straight back into the genjutsu (the view of the moon is almost inescapable).

 

[Chatte]

This is mostly assumptions based on logic but:

Tsunade most likely healed Tskuymoni by healing damaged chakra veins (genjutsu interferes with chakra flow) which meant that Sasuke's flow of chakra returned back to normal and he was able to gain consciousness.

However Infinite Tsukymoni is on such a scale it is no longer cast by a indiviudal but instead the Juubi using the moon as its immense mirror. I highly doubt Tsunade could deal with it and even if she were able to the healed person would fall straight back into the genjutsu (the view of the moon is almost inescapable).

Well, true about the Infinite Tsukyiomi. xd

Well if she is capable of that, doesn't kinda make her like immune to genjutsu or any type of so? I mean, if she is capable of doing such thing and taking a look at the fact that she gathers her chakra in the forehead seal...

 

[Chatte]

i don't think she can escape the Infine tsukyomi or the normal one

The infinite, well, no, but the normal one I bet she could do it.

 

[Strict]

The infinite, well, no, but the normal one I bet she could do it.

Tsukuyomi left Kakashi mental destroyed. As being a healer, Tsunade can not only heal physical damages but also psychical. This has nothing to do with her being immune to Genjutsu. Tsunade wouldn't be able to escape Tsukuyomi. Weaker Genjutsus probably, but there isn't any evidence.

 

[Chatte]

Itachi said no one can escape that but his brother and the other uchihas

She only can heal the damage but not escaping it

(i believe tsunade is the greatest support anyone can have in battle , so you won't say i am underestimating her)

I am not saying you are underestimating her here because is an area we are not sure about it. I say that people underestimate her when it comes to stuff where we're certain she's good at.

Tsukuyomi left Kakashi mental destroyed. As being a healer, Tsunade can not only heal physical damages but also psychical. This has nothing to do with her being immune to Genjutsu. Tsunade wouldn't be able to escape Tsukuyomi. Weaker Genjutsus probably, but there isn't any evidence.

Now to respond both, why I thought that she might escaped it, I wasn't sure, was because as Negative Knight said, it's about chakra disruption, but we know that Tsunade has excellent control over her chakra. And we know that it's needed someone from outside to give chakra for the one who is trapped in Tsukyomi to come out from it.
Well we know that Tsunade stores her chakra in the seal, so if she would release that seal, wouldn't it come like a source of chakra from 'outside'?

Don't jump to flames, I am just asking as this was a question in my head from a long time ago.

Thanks in advance.

 

[AmaniPaz]

Depends on the level of Genjutsu and what Senin mode

 

[Negative Knight]

Now to respond both, why I thought that she might escaped it, I wasn't sure, was because as Negative Knight said, it's about chakra disruption, but we know that Tsunade has excellent control over her chakra. And we know that it's needed someone from outside to give chakra for the one who is trapped in Tsukyomi to come out from it.
Well we know that Tsunade stores her chakra in the seal, so if she would release that seal, wouldn't it come like a source of chakra from 'outside'?

Don't jump to flames, I am just asking as this was a question in my head from a long time ago.

Thanks in advance.

I'm sorry but her argument there has more basis than your assumption based claims Strict

The only way you can truly prove a logical point is stating the facts, analyzing the evidence and basing your argument on that

If her seal does give her Chakra similar to an outside parties input then she can break out of it

Her excellent chakra control means that she is already perfectly suited to combat genjutsu if her will to break out is strong enough

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[Chatte]

I'm sorry but her argument there has more basis than your assumption based claims Strict

The only way you can truly prove a logical point is stating the facts, analyzing the evidence and basing your argument on that

If her seal does give her Chakra similar to an outside parties input then she can break out of it

Her excellent chakra control means that she is already perfectly suited to combat genjutsu if her will to break out is strong enough

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Thank you very much!
The only 'unknown' here, like the x in the math equations is that IF Tsunade's seal is considered as an outside partie, I guess.

 

[Negative Knight]

Thank you very much!
The only 'unknown' here, like the x in the math equations is that IF Tsunade's seal is considered as an outside partie, I guess.

No problem its rare to get a good and logical debate on NB, i'm as privileged as you are xd

Yeah i really do think her seal counts as a outside party because Genjutsu disrupts the chakra flow at the given time of casting it but any variation in chakra flow after that changes of the overall of the Genjutsu, in this case ultimately breaking it.

 

[Chatte]

No problem its rare to get a good and logical debate on NB, i'm as privileged as you are xd

Yeah i really do think her seal counts as a outside party because Genjutsu disrupts the chakra flow at the given time of casting it but any variation in chakra flow after that changes of the overall of the Genjutsu, in this case ultimately breaking it.

Yeah I was thinking at that when I first saw her healing Sasuke and Kakashi and then when she released her chakra in her seal in the Sannin battle so I made the connections which led me to this.

Thanks a lot once again and yes! You are totally right, it is hard to find a good and logical debate on NB.
That's what I searched for in the first place but rarely we find.

Except for your threads! I should start reading them...

 

[Negative Knight]

Yeah I was thinking at that when I first saw her healing Sasuke and Kakashi and then when she released her chakra in her seal in the Sannin battle so I made the connections which led me to this.

Thanks a lot once again and yes! You are totally right, it is hard to find a good and logical debate on NB.
That's what I searched for in the first place but rarely we find.

Except for your threads! I should start reading them...

Yeah finding the debates are hard but these past few days it seems like i'm finding quite a bit e.g. a Kakashi/Tobi dimensional relationship, Tsunade immune to genjutsu and some others

xd that would be great, another logical debater on my threads is a accomplishment every time Lol

I'm going to start making threads more specific to the needs of the forum whilst still doing my other Vs Threads for those who really want it

My next thread will be a Proof on Akatsuki rankings with many things to debate

A Preview:
-Itachi and Pain, Shared Field of Vision = Genjutsu on Nagato
-Kisame and Kakuzu, Chakra Absorption and etc
-Sasori and Kakuzu's battle
-Deidara and Kisame's undecided battle
-Kisame and Itachi, the real winner ?

xd hopefully it attracts a lot of different debates to solve a lot of issues surrounding the order of strength in akatsuki

btw if you ever have anything to debate, ask me anytime

 

[Strict]

You're wrong Negative Knight. Firstly your body isn't moving when being caught in an illusion, anything what happens in an illusion is just playing in your mind. She need to release her seal and whether it is possible while being captured in an illusion or being fully paralyzed is questionable since it is also a technique she can't use while her Chakra system is manipulated. Secondly, Itachis Tsukuyomi takes only a second in the reality while your mind gets trapped in the world of Tsukuyomi for several days. It's only an instant where your body isn't even moving since your mind is being in an illusion. She wouldn't make a single move even if she could since Tsukuyomi starts end ends almost in the same time.

Above I never heard about Tsunade having a perfect Chakra control, this is a claim people like to use for any character. Further a good Chakra control doesn't automatically help you against Genjutsu, especially when the talk is about the Sharingan. Itachi caught Naruto in a Genjutsu with his finger and 30% of his strength. A Sharingan Genjutsu would probably leave Tsunade in a position Orochimaru was before. If the talk is about Tsukuyomi, he will be mental destroyed like Kakashi was for sure.