(Updated)Proof that kakashi>sasuke

[Nikashu]

kakashi know wind techs chk naruto.wiki...com
and rasengan is wind tech chk that also

just a advice
if A person can beat B person,and B can beat C
it doesnt means that A can beat C

You're wrong on both counts, Rasengan (Sprial sphere jutsu) is a ball of pure condensed chakra. it is not a wind element jutsu. Rasenshuriken is, but not rasengan. Also, you're situationally correct with the second point. in a fight, that logic is right. but we're talking about speed here. there are no variables of jutsu types, taijutsu skills, anything like that, it's pure speed. so in this case, if A person can beat B person, and B person can beat C person, it kind of does mean that A can beat C

 

[Nikashu]

good on you mate - we are seeing now, how much Kakashi is capable of, he has really been fighting for so long now - and he doesnt look about to stop soon. His Kamui is really on a diffrent level to when he fought Sasuke after the Danzou encounter - his Kamui was put at such precise timing really - Kakashi takes this.

Pardon me, doesn't look ready to stop? I'm fairly sure when He Kamuied naruto's shadow clone he fell on his face with blood pouring out of his eye... i mean i love Kakashi but 3 or 4 kamui's wont be able to keep up with sasukes arrows no matter how much i hate to say it. and lets say it does, well then what? Kakashi wont even be able to move because he will have overexerted himself. I hate to say it because he's such a **** now, but sasuke high dif

 

[Rezakage]

Everyone r stupid around here because u cant think on a battle ether side can win LOL

 

[Hippy]

Kakashi would not last against sasuke he almost died last time if naruto wasnt there he said that himself where was his 1000 jutsus then...

Everyone r stupid around here because u cant think on a battle ether side can win LOL

Seems legit.

 

[naruto kyuubi]

kakashi know wind techs chk naruto.wiki...com
and rasengan is wind tech chk that also

just a advice
if A person can beat B person,and B can beat C
it doesnt means that A can beat C

i also think kakashi can beat sasuke but rasengan isnt wind check manga the element manipulation arc

 

[Dribbles]

Kamui is too canon now, it's going to be a huge factor in vs threads now, as much as people don't like it.

 

[ljnecesito]

Sasukes a whole lot faster. hes gonna be on par with naruto and naruto has surpassed kakashi A LONG TIME AGO...
thread solved..
srry to dissapoint kakashi is one of my fave chars. but he wont stand a chance.

Still Kakashi,

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faster.

 

[YellowFang]

Kakashi was and is a beast, people were just too ignorant to figure out his strength...

As for fighting Sasuke, Sasuke has to rely only on his EMS other than that he is inferior to Kakashi in every field...
Kakashi's a better lightning user or IMO the best...
Kakashi's ninjutsu is better...
Kakashi's taijutsu is also good, also he's surely faster than Sasuke which is an edge over Sasuke in taijutsu...
Genjutsu: both can use it but Sasuke being an Uchiha helds more proficient genjutsus but himself he is not much good at it, enough to defeat Kakashi...
Amaterasu and Arrows: Kakashi is one of the best tactical, substitutive, distractive and diversion creating shinobi...he is just too good at using his shadow clones...
Susanoo: Sasuke's main tool in any battle but Kamui is not a physical attack that can be stopped by Susanoo, nothing in Sasuke's arsenal can stand against Kamui...
Overall, Kakashi is just better than Sasuke...

 

[kakashi owns all]

kakashi is faster he gets lots of comps on his speed from even tobi also i gonna say the truth here

if this is a situation of who wins if both go balls of from start kakashi wins with Kamui its the fastest ms move so he wins but if kakashi trys not to do that sasuke may win from a longer battle hard to say kakashi wins 7/10

 

[Klubargutan]

+rep for effort, but fire release was just a filler and he hasnt shown wind release

 

[shadowcage]

Proof that kakashi greater than sasuke.
Kaakshi's Abilities
Copying Jutsus
Kakashi Hatake also known as copy ninja and elite is a main charachter of the series Naruto and Naruto
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shippuden. He is known all over the World for his mongekyo sharingan(a special eye of a special family uchiha). He is known as copy ninja to copy over thousands of jutsus.
S/t Techniques
Kakashi is also able to use a space time technique kamui that can transport objects. He can take this advantage fighting Sasuke.
Mongekyo Sharingan
Kakashi also has a mongekyo Sharingan. He can easily see how fast sasuke is moving.
Natures
As he has copied over thousands of jutsus, he has mastered five natures, fire, lightning, wind, earth and water. He can use all these as an advantage against Sasuke.
Lightning Master
Kakashi has mastered lightning nature of which, he uses an S-Rank Technique Raikiri and an A-RAnk technique Chidori.
Fire Release
Kakashi is also very good in fire release and uses uchiha's special fireball technique.
Water Release
Kakashi is also a master in water. He can use siz water techniques:

Hiding in a mist technique
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Great Waterfall Technique
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Shark Bullet Technique
Earth Release
Kakashi has also been a good in earth release. he copied earth techniques from earth users from all over the world. He has been shown using following earth techniques:
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Wind Release
Kakashi also uses an A-Rank wind release technique rasengan which is in the same way as chidori.
Taijutsu
kakashi has proven to be very adept in taijutsu, which, combined with his impressive speed, allows him to effectively catch his opponents off guard and evade attacks. His hand seal prowess has also been noted as very great, as he is able to use high-level techniques with few hand seals and perform them at highly difficult speeds to follow.
Eight gates
Kakashi had also unlocked the first two of the eight gates so he can also use the in his battle with sasuke.

Speed
Kakashi has been on the 9/10th level of speed. He was as fast as couldn't even be approched by sasuke. He was shown many times greater than Sasuke.
Combos
Kakashi also uses many taijutsu combos which are:
Silent Killing
Strong Fist
Lotus Front

Genjutsu
Kakashi also uses some genjutsus but they won't stand a chance against Sasuke.

Sasuke's Abilities
Sasuke has very less jutsus as compared to Kakashi.
Amaterasu
Amaterasu is a special ability and highest level of fire release used by Uchiha. Sasuke can use this technique on kakashi but he would use his s/t kamui to blow it away or at least dodge it.
Tsukuyomi
Kakashi has once expirienced tsukuyomi and won't look into sasuke's eye.
Susanoo
Susanoo is the only thing that would help sasuke in his battle with kakashi.
But Kakashi has thousands of jutsus and use them like danzo put a crack on susanoo.
Fire Release
Kakashi will easily dodge Sasuke's Fire release techniques.
Kirin
Kakashi will use his kamui to defend from kirin.
Chidori
Kakashi has a better tech raikiri in the same way.

Kakashi beating sasuke isn't going to happening and i know most ppl are saying another fanboy but unlike others i can prove it what im saying. Im going to move according to how the stuff was listed on here But before i do that the person who created this must be a super newb kakashi fan and here's how.

Kakashi never used a wind element and for the fact that you say the rasangen is means you dont listen to the anime or read good because the rasangen is pure chakra. Now on to what's really important the only really people is agreeing with kakashi winning is because of kamui and im not going to lie pretty broking but still it has to many flaws.

First amaterasu sasuke isnt the type to just send it out he is going to make it follow you as well as chase you down. So now the only way for kakashi to avoid this to use kamui to get rid of the flames. That being said kamui is a one shoot move kakashi cant spam kamui as fast as sasuke can spam the amaterasu. Sasuke can go back to back while kakashi has to wait before being able to do it again 5 is the minimum sasuke uses amaterasu a fight and kakashi i will say 5 max because im not sure. Now its time for the tsukuyomi you say kakashi has experience fighting against it but it doesnt help. The reason it wont help is because kamui itself in order to cast kamui kakashi must stop what he is doing and stare at his target. If his target is sasuke automatic genjutsu if its the flames we all know sasuke is able to close the distance between him and his opponents really fast and that when there moving. Kakashi wont be giving sasuke enough to get in his face so yet experience means nothing if your ignoring it the key thing. Susanoo is one of sasuke strongest weapons and wont be crack now that its no longer boney also susanoo can spam arrows. How can kakashi avoid this? Kamui. Again sasuke can spam the arrows faster than kakashi can spam kamui so my question will be can kakashi defend any of sasuke move without kamui? The answer is yes but not the one's that are really important one mostly his fire moves, kunais, but thats it. I will admit that raikiri is stronger then the chidori but unlike kakashi sasuke has multiple versions of it making it better i.e
Chidori
Chidori Eisou
Chidori Kouken
Chidori Nagashi
Chidori Senbon

Using those together make chidori way better. Raikiri is better butits only one move the fact that sasuke has a bunch of same version gives him the upper hand. The thing im most upset about is that you say kamui can block kirin :flaw:. Let me help you kamui is only there for a few seconds and than its gone. Kirin is a continuous move meaning it stays. As soon as kamui is over he will be hit by kirin. The only to avoid that move source of the jutsu and that the sky(personally i dont think kakashi can warp the whole sky so fail).


So now i say kakashi can beat sasuke because kakashi admits that he doesnt have as much chakra as sasuke or naruto. So minus the kirin sasuke can do all that in one fight and how many can kakashi use kamui again? Against someone like sasuke kumai is only for blocking and he wont use it like tissue he will try to save it. Sasuke can burns chakra like no tomorrow just for one fight and kakashi cant. In naruto kakashi was great. In shippuden kakashi is average.


AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT JUST SASUKE WITH MS WE DONT EVEN KNOW ABOUT EMS SO SASUKE WILL OWN kakashi

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[Future Sasuke aka Tobi]

Sasuke can copy jutsus too but he doesn't need to copy a person's moves to beat him

 

[Takos]

Sasuke can burns chakra like no tomorrow just for one fight and kakashi cant. In naruto kakashi was great. In shippuden kakashi is average.

It's not Sasuke's advantage that he spams MS with no rest. In fact, it's a proof that he is even more rash than Naruto and doesn't really think about what he's doing. Just look at how he got blind after about a month, while Itachi had it for years.
If we talk about EMS Sasuke, then things are different. Yes, in that case you're right.

As for Kakashi, he's much more powerful than he was in part I. The difference between part I Kakashi and Kakashi from the beginning of part II is huge. The difference between Kakashi from the beginning of part II to present Kakashi is just as large, if not bigger. The only ones improving faster than Kakashi are Naruto and Sasuke and only Naruto actually gets new powers with his own abilities.

I will admit that raikiri is stronger then the chidori but unlike kakashi sasuke has multiple versions of it making it better i.e
Chidori
Chidori Eisou
Chidori Kouken
Chidori Nagashi
Chidori Senbon

Using Chidori in any from different than the original makes it weaker. Therefore, yes, Sasuke's Chidori is more universal, but weaker. Kakashi on the other hand can use it in fewer scenarios, but very effectively.
Additionally, Kakashi also knows some variations - Raikiri Chain and (not confirmed to be raikiri, but raiton anyway: ) raiton bunshin.

 

[shadowcage]

It's not Sasuke's advantage that he spams MS with no rest. In fact, it's a proof that he is even more rash than Naruto and doesn't really think about what he's doing. Just look at how he got blind after about a month, while Itachi had it for years.
If we talk about EMS Sasuke, then things are different. Yes, in that case you're right.

Its not rash its smart. If have a move no one can block why not use it. Going blind had nothing to do with it. why throw a kunai or fire ball if he can avoid do something to make him work. Itachi never had a reason to use it but the moment sasuke got his he needed it. EMs sasuke has nothing to do with it because sasuke did everything i named with EMS.

As for Kakashi, he's much more powerful than he was in part I. The difference between part I Kakashi and Kakashi from the beginning of part II is huge. The difference between Kakashi from the beginning of part II to present Kakashi is just as large, if not bigger. The only ones improving faster than Kakashi are Naruto and Sasuke and only Naruto actually gets new powers with his own abilities.

What i meant by that was kakashi didnt do anyting that stood out in shippuden. Of course he got stronger but nothing else he is still a average ninja

Using Chidori in any from different than the original makes it weaker. Therefore, yes, Sasuke's Chidori is more universal, but weaker. Kakashi on the other hand can use it in fewer scenarios, but very effectively.
Additionally, Kakashi also knows some variations - Raikiri Chain and (not confirmed to be raikiri, but raiton anyway: ) raiton bunshin.

I already admitted that its weaker but by doing two at once it makes up for the down fall but to prove my point. sasuke would have killed kakashi one on one in epi 214 going on.

If sakura didnt jump in kakashi couldnt block any follow up attack sasuke did

 

[Gricay]

Bullshit.

 

[Takos]

1. he was full power, even tryed to use shishu eye

Eh, I guess you're one of those not intelligent enough. So here, some proof:
Tobi says Danzo conserves chakra -

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Here Danzo himself states he needs to conserve some strenght -

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I will write it here, because I'm not sure if you know how to open the links:
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MADARA IS GOING TO JOIN THE FIGHT. I'D BETTER LEAVE SOME STRENGTH IN RESERVE TO FIGHT HIM AFTERWARDS.

Trolling much?

sasuke killed danzo 10 times 10 times 10 times lol gf trolls

Lol, so what? He killed him 10 times, but defeated only once - barely and with help.

lmao karin healed sasuke yeah. but she didnt heal his blind eyes lmfao troll.

Sasuke went blind after shooting two Susanoo arrows at Kakashi. Not before that. It was his fault. And it's good you admit he was healed.

kakashi had to kumai susanoo arrow and almosted got murdered by a blind 20% sasuke

You yourself admitted he was healed, so no, it's not 20%. Almost get murdered? Lol. Kakashi kamuied 2 arrows at once and the whole action put apparently more strain on Sasuke than on Kakashi.

Besides, these were 2 susanoo arrows. Just sayin'.

idk wtf your talking about a 'kakashi would own a tobi' this would never happen even if tobi was blind :flaw:

To get irony, you need to be a little intelligent at least.

if you really want to talk about raiton style. kirin solos kakashi raiton

Probably. All the time needed for preparations is enough to kill Sasuke several times.

genjutsu equal? no ****ing way

Sasuke's genjutsu feats?
Putting one ninja into genjutsu during his kage summit and then using pretty unsuccessful one on Danzo.
Kakashi - mind****ing Zabuza completely, forcing him to use jutsu Kakashi wants without even realizing he's under genjutsu. Part II - Kakashi puts two elite ANBU root ninja to sleep with one single move. From the feats I'd say that Kakashi is better in genjutsu, but considering Sasuke just doesn't like to use it that much, I'll say they are equal.

lol your truely stupid or trolling. if a ms / blind 20% sasuke was about to solo kakashi+sakura then how in the hell can you coherently say that kakashi could beat him at 100%

It seems you're reading some fanfics, otherwise you wouldn't say Sasuke almost solo'ed them. Besides, once again, he wasn't 20%. And got blind DURING his fight with Kakashi, not before it. Only partially blind, too.

yeah kakashi was faster.

kakashi was faster than a blind sasuke, with no zero charka left.

Seriously, stupid or what? Just look at this manga page, Sasuke wasn't blind back then. Geez, how worse can one sound...? And once again - Karin healed Sasuke, including his chakra.

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Note Sasuke's perfectly seeing eyes. Maybe it will get through to you.
Ah, one more thing:

yeah kakashi was faster.

with no zero charka left.

Congratulations! You've just stated that chakra is what makes people fast! I guess Guy and Lee are hiding something from us... U_U

TAKOS AND PALS

Soo... does it make me the leader of Kakashi defenders? I feel honored.

 

[Takos]

sasuke was half blind not perfect seeing eyes. this is the last post by me bro you cant see the truth because your a troll/fanboy

You're wrong. He was half-blind AFTER using two arrows on Kakashi. Give me any scan proving his eyesight got worse before that.
He never became completely blind.

lmfao so kakashi genjutsu on fodder ninja is a feat? lol kid..

Nameless or not, they were at least jonin-level.
And I guess you admit genjutsu used on Zabuza was a really high-class one?

deidrea,killer bee for like 10sec do i need to ssay more

Oh shit, whole 10 seconds?! Damn, that's tough. After all it's not like Zabuza's been under Kakashi's genjutsu half of their fight. xd
Besides, genjutsu on Bee proved to be useless.

wasnt he about to kill sakura?

What does Sakura have to do with Kakashi VS Sasuke discussion? Well, yeah, he was about to kill her. And Kakashi saved her.

didnt kakashi use kamui 2 which at that time 2-3 was his limit?

2-3 was not his limit. He already used two kamuis while having less than half of chakra, which means his limit BACK THEN was 4-5 kamuis.

didnt naruto save sakura again?

Didn't Kakashi save Sakura before that? The second time was Sakura's fault for interfering.

did kakashi use any offense?

He had doubts about killing Sasuke. If he wanted to go offensive, he would kamui him before Sasuke pulled out Susanoo.

or was he on the defense by a half blind sasuke?

On the defense, yes. By a half-blind only in second part of their fight.
Guess what? Sasuke wouldn't go half-blind if he hadn't used Susanoo. Do you think he would win then? Nope.
And what did happen after Sasuke used Susanoo? He got half-blind and Kakashi simply got a little slower for a minute. In other words, Susanoo ended more badly for Sasuke himself than for Kakashi.

karin healed sasuke this karin healed sasuke that. karin is in the group of taka rite? the 6 paths are a group of 6 right? so if one of them helps the other does that make it unfair too?

Boy, now you've said it.
If you wanna, sure, you can say: TEAM TAKA DEFEATED DANZO IN A FAIR FIGHT. But it's not the same as SASUKE DEFEATED DANZO IN A FAIR FIGHT. See the difference? Probably not.

if you single out one person

makes you look like a class S troll

No, lol. I'm not complaining about the fact Sasuke was healed. I'm simply saying SASUKE WOULD NOT DEFEAT DANZO IN A 1 ON 1 FIGHT. And that's truth.


Besides, you claim I'm a troll and somehow you did not find any arguments against this.

Eh, I guess you're one of those not intelligent enough. So here, some proof:
Tobi says Danzo conserves chakra -

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Here Danzo himself states he needs to conserve some strenght -

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I will write it here, because I'm not sure if you know how to open the links:
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MADARA IS GOING TO JOIN THE FIGHT. I'D BETTER LEAVE SOME STRENGTH IN RESERVE TO FIGHT HIM AFTERWARDS.

So please, just admit you were wrong and we can end this. U_U

 

[lord tobi]

nom

 

[Prince Charles]

Ufail u barely posted proof all u did was post their abilities no counters nothing
anyways ems sasuke>kakashi kakashi isn't dodging amaterasu and isn't getting pass sussano

You fail

 

[Takos]

Let's go!

lol his sharagin wasnt even on. according to you it probably ws.

I see, so an Uchiha with his Sharingan turned off HAS TO BE BLIND by default. Seems legit.

lmao just cuz there jonin doesnt make them good ninjutsu, you need to be slapped. let me know when kakashi uses genjutsu on deidera,danzo,killer bee, that dude at the summit etc. troll

Lol, dude on the summit was just as fodder as those two root members. Just shows that you're favoring Sasuke. Which was obvious even without it.

not impressed on so called genjutsu on a oppent who didnt want to fight

I don't understand what do you want to say with that. You surely aren't talking about Zabuza, probably Bee. And if Sasuke's genjutsu turned out to be useless against someone that didn't even want to fight, that shows everything.

somebody showed a scan of kakashi saveing her, saying that kakashi was faster than sasuke because of this saveing

Because that's true. In this second case Kakashi got slowed down by kamui.

show me where it says that kakashi could use kuami 4-5 times when sasuke had ms. not talking about current kakashi.

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Here Kakashi says that he's used half his chakra already.

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Then he uses Raikiri, so less than half of his chakra is left.

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Then he uses two kamuis, with all remaining chakra, killing himself.

If less than half his chakra is needed to use two kamuis, then it means that with full chakra he can use 4 or 5 kamuis.
Or I'd say he could during his fight with Pain.
During his encounter with Sasuke he can use AT LEAST that many, but possibly even more.
Not to mention present Kakashi, who can most likely use about 10 or 12 kamuis at full chakra.

idk and idc they both would have died if not for naruto

No, only Sakura would, Kakashi wasn't endangered then.

no, KAKASHI fanboys think kamui is so accurate that it can just kill anyone

Care to show me any scan apart from his first use of kamui ever on which Kakashi misses with it? No? I thought so.

lmao kakashi simply got a litte slower? sounds like excuses, bottom line kakashi was saved by naruto.

Could you see any other effects of kamui on Kakashi apart from speed decrease? Once again - Kakashi wasn't endangered when Naruto arrived, what do you smoke?

let me know when kakashi walks into a kage summit and lives the attacks of raikage.

Funny you mention it, because Raikage would kill Sasuke two times if it wasn't for Jugo and Gaara rescuing him.

saying that if karin didnt heal him he would not be able to defeat danzo.

Would he?

show proof in manga where it says that

I already presented you the proof that Danzo wasn't going all out and you know as well as I do that Karin healed Sasuke as well. Still Sasuke managed to defeated Danzo with high difficulties, so it's obvious that if Karin wasn't there and Danzo went all out, Sasuke would be dead. Simple, really.

if sasuke didnt have karin im sure he would have came up with a total different apporach to find danzo and kill him.

That's your opinion which you state as a fact. Manga indicates otherwise.

sasuke beat danzo

After being healed, Sasuke managed to beat Danzo who was not going all out. Now, that's the full sentence.

only time kakashi is beating sasuke is when he was fighting naruto at the valley

Now you say that even non-MS Sasuke was powerful enough to take down Kakashi?! Oh damn, it's worse than I had thought. xd