Is Kakashi now stronger than Itachi?

[TouchMyMangos]

u think again . bout too doesnt mean anything . have you seen kakashi warp anything beside a missile and deidera arm no !!!!!! so admit it your making stuff up:flaw: oh yeah he also warped sasuke susanoo arrows

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[TouchMyMangos]

By this guys logic Kakashi > Everyone in the manga cause Kamui is too fast apparently.

And are you going to argue with that, when they have on counter to it (except Minato and Tobi)? That would make you a fanboy. This is just like when people used to say 'Danzo KA end of'. Except this is actually legitimate.

 

[Owarij]

What can KA do? He can't use it to make Kakashi kill himself. If the command is not subtle it won't work, because Kakashi will no he's in the genjutsu and that is enough to break it. You aren't taking these things into account. Again, Kamui's activation is faster than all of Itachi's methods, and since he has no way to dodge or counter it once it's used, he loses.

Not taking part in this argument, Just want you to know that you're wrong..
The command doesn't have to be subtle..
The victim will NEVER know he's in Ka, because memories are implanted and they believe the action is of their own will...

Ka could make him believe Itachi was his brother.. Could make him believe he commited some grave dishonor on his village and was going to kill himself...

 

[Blaze Release]

What makes you think this fireball jutsu will be activated BEFORE Kamui? Naruto was near full speed when he was warped. It's not quick enough, and it won't cover the distance.



This is going by the fireball being quicker than Kamui, which is untrue.



Again, you need to realise Naruto's speed.

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Maybe you cannot see it properly in the manga and the anime will make it clearer for you. Itachi is not on that level of speed and he will not be able to close the gap before Kamui is used. Kakashi can also make clones aswell. Kakashi clones are not unbeatable. These things are not happening before Kamui is activated.



What can KA do? He can't use it to make Kakashi kill himself. If the command is not subtle it won't work, because Kakashi will no he's in the genjutsu and that is enough to break it. You aren't taking these things into account. Again, Kamui's activation is faster than all of Itachi's methods, and since he has no way to dodge or counter it once it's used, he loses.

Dont think you understand itachi's handspeed because i do and i bekieve he'd be able to weave his seals before kamui. Also you did mention that he has info before hand right. This doesnt exclude the availability of forming a bunshin before the fight. You might enlighten me, does kakashi have his ms on from the start or is it a 3 tomoe sharingan, the time it takes for him to activate the ms is more than enough time for itachi to weave a seal. Or did you specifically create scenario where you think itachi loses or perhaps wants us to admit defeat. As for Ka your response hints that you dont understand how it works

EDIT: you are the person who ive been told likes to troll itachi

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Not taking part in this argument, Just want you to know that you're wrong..
The command doesn't have to be subtle..
The victim will NEVER know he's in Ka, because memories are implanted and they believe the action is of their own will...

Ka could make him believe Itachi was his brother.. Could make him believe he commited some grave dishonor on his village and was going to kill himself...

No, because just knowing u are in a genjutsu is enough to break the illusion. Making him have false memories is not going to help Itachi in this match. He'd have to make him do something to give Itachi the advantage in the match, but it can't be noticeable to Kakashi. Also, Kamui would activate faster than KA since Itachi would need to take it out and get it ready.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Dont think you understand itachi's handspeed because i do and i bekieve he'd be able to weave his seals before kamui. Also you did mention that he has info before hand right. This doesnt exclude the availability of forming a bunshin before the fight. You might enlighten me, does kakashi have his ms on from the start or is it a 3 tomoe sharingan, the time it takes for him to activate the ms is more than enough time for itachi to weave a seal. Or did you specifically create scenario where you think itachi loses or perhaps wants us to admit defeat

I don't think he will make Kage Bunshins and have them protect him faster than Kamui. They don't have anything prepared before the fight. But Kakashi has feats of activating his eye and warping the nail and the Susanoo arrow VERY quickly. Kakashi still takes this IMO.

 

[NarutoDBZ]

You can't just say Kakashi is stronger than Itachi becauseKakashi can use Kamui.

Kakashi cannot Kamui Itachi's susanoo

And why not?!!!! Kakashi can kumi anything until proven other wise since till now it has not failed once yet the "unbreakable" susanoo has been broken even thought it wasn't the complete susanno :flaw:

 

[Owarij]

No, because just knowing u are in a genjutsu is enough to break the illusion. Making him have false memories is not going to help Itachi in this match. He'd have to make him do something to give Itachi the advantage in the match, but it can't be noticeable to Kakashi. Also, Kamui would activate faster than KA since Itachi would need to take it out and get it ready.

It will NEVER be noticable to kakashi.. That's the thing with shishui's genjutsu.. The victim never knows they are in a genjutsu.. did you not see what ao said? in war he probably made ao's alies fight each other... Danzo was even confident it would work on Tobi.. and both kabuto and tobi are respectively scared of its power..

If kakashi has memories of Itachi being his brother.. Itachi is his brother... he wouldn't question it.... there is no reason to question it..

 

[TouchMyMangos]

It will NEVER be noticable to kakashi.. That's the thing with shishui's genjutsu.. The victim never knows they are in a genjutsu.. did you not see what ao said? in war he probably made ao's alies fight each other... Danzo was even confident it would work on Tobi.. and both kabuto and tobi are respectively scared of its power..

If kakashi has memories of Itachi being his brother.. Itachi is his brother... he wouldn't question it.... there is no reason to question it..

Yes there will be reason to question it because they are in BATTLE. And if Kakashi ever summoned his dogs they would certainly snap him out of it.

 

[Owarij]

Yes there will be reason to question it because they are in BATTLE. And if Kakashi ever summoned his dogs they would certainly snap him out of it.

Jesus, you don't get it, Itachi could easily make Kakashi believe that battle was a friendly spar -_-

and yea, while the dogs stand there wodnering why the hell Kakashi thinks itachi is his brother, Itachi can't amaterasu him/.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Kakashi can instantly warp something the size of someone's head, like he did to Naruto's rasengan that hit Tobi in the arm. If Kakashi has to lift his headband and activate the mangekyou, maybe that'd give Itachi enough time to use something, but he wouldn't do that without knowledge of kamui.

It's turned in to an extremely over powered technique, that barring something like a prepped FTG or a Raikage with knowledge, it's probably not going to be avoided.

Luckily, for VS threads, it's always been and always will be Kakashi's absolute last resort.

 

[Blaze Release]

I don't think he will make Kage Bunshins and have them protect him faster than Kamui. They don't have anything prepared before the fight. But Kakashi has feats of activating his eye and warping the nail and the Susanoo arrow VERY quickly. Kakashi still takes this IMO.

SO this is basically you saying kakashi will make the first move with kamui from 30m before itachi manages to weave a seal, i dont agree and you are right in using imo because thats juts you. What if i told you that itachi is also a kage bunshin user, but more importantly kage bunshin only requires 1 seal. Its absrud to think the person who holds the fastest seals in the series cannot produce 1 seal for a bunshin

 

[TouchMyMangos]

Jesus, you don't get it, Itachi could easily make Kakashi believe that battle was a friendly spar -_-

and yea, while the dogs stand there wodnering why the hell Kakashi thinks itachi is his brother, Itachi can't amaterasu him/.

That's why Shisui failed against Danzo, if it's so 'easy' as you claim? I never see you put Danzou at number one in top 10.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Oh my god... how is he gonna dodge it? Tell me. I'd like to know. Nagato wasn't even able to dodge it... It's so fast that his re-action was that he shit his pants... he didn't even expect it. Mid-speech, it sliced him and sealed him. Kakashi. Can't. Dodge. It. Even if he can, the outcome is still the same.

What bullshit are you spouting mate? U_U So many factors have to be taken into consideration during that event.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

SO this is basically you saying kakashi will make the first move with kamui from 30m before itachi manages to weave a seal, i dont agree and you are right in using imo because thats juts you. What if i told you that itachi is also a kage bunshin user, but more importantly kage bunshin only requires 1 seal. Its absrud to think the person who holds the fastest seals in the series cannot produce 1 seal for a bunshin

His hand can move fast, but the bunshin will not save him or help him avoid/counter Kamui. But you are right, this is me and that's you.

 

[Solaris Vexius]

Lmfao at Kakashi being stronger than Itachi.

 

[Owarij]

That's why Shisui failed against Danzo, if it's so 'easy' as you claim? I never see you put Danzou at number one in top 10.

You've obviously never seen any of my top 10 lists and you're spewing bs, because I put a special mentions section for shishui and danzo who are able to beat everyone on the list..


And shishui wanted to use the eye on fugaku, not danzo..you have no idea what happened.. you have no idea if root went for him, you know nothing of the situation..

 

[EliteKakashi]

His hand can move fast, but the bunshin will not save him or help him avoid/counter Kamui. But you are right, this is me and that's you.

That's assuming Kakashi opens up with kamu, something he's never done outside of against who he believed to Madara Uchiha, and he only did that then because he commented that he couldn't take either 2 akatsuki members or both of them(other being Zetsu)..forget which wording he used, but still.

That implies he was ready to fight Tobi/who he believed was Madara without using kamui, if it were just 1v1.

 

[OnPoint]

It can go either way. Perhaps Itachi will sweep him aside with gen/nin variants; perhaps Kakashi will be successful in besting Itachi with Kamui, since Itachi possesses no reasonable counter to it. Anyone claiming a certain win for either side is foolish (including you OP).

 

[shogun973]

It doesn't kill people straight away. If you get hit with Kamui, the match is over for you immediately. Please read carefully.



Itachi is not faster than Kamui. Izanami requires shared physical sensation; he has to physically hit Kakashi. Not working.

amateretsu to face bitch he kamuing nothin....or susanoo+ amateretsu either way.....amateretsu varries in size remember the hachibi was coverrerd