Petra paths limits and mokuton

[Midday]

First of all here's how the author describes petra path in the databooks.

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The Preta Path (餓鬼道, Gakidō) grants the user the ability to absorb an infinite amount of chakra in any form using the Blocking Technique Absorption Seal. Pain channeled the Preta Path through the corpse of a Kusagakure shinobi.
This ability was primarily defensive in nature as it is capable of absorbing any ninjutsu-based technique, thereby nullifying its effect. This technique can also take the form of a barrier around the user's entire body, allowing them to absorb attacks from all directions. In addition to this the Preta Path is able to absorb chakra from an individual through physical contact.

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Ninjutsu can be split into two categories. The first would be ninjutsu created from the users chakra such as rasengan or susanoo. The second catagory would be manipulating an existing object like Gaara's sand or puppets.

In the first catagory we've seen it absorbs the technique no problem, Nagato absorbing a rasengan. In the second catagory we've seen the chakra absorbed out of what's being manipulated such as when Madara used petra path whilst being held by Gaara's sand the sand just fell, that's because the sand isn't the nijutsu but the chakra manipulating the sand is.

The category I think mokuton falls under would be the first. This is because it's created from the user, I also think it's unlikely that there were

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. Also it's just

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which are the tree's lifeforce. If it's tree manipulation only the chakra gets absorbed and the tree would most likely wither away.

Common reason why it's believed mokuton can't be absorbed:

• It's actual trees and not just pure chakra.
  
• It's a solid.
  
• The trees have yang chakra.

Petra path isn't restricted to absorbing pure chakra. We've seen it absorb

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which was converted from chakra just like Hashirama's mokuton is converted from chakra. It's not a petra path feat but Kisame's sword works the same way shown how it

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There's also the

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but that's not clear.

It's sometimes argued that it can't absorb solids. However

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is a solid ball of chakra and was absorbed with no problems.

Finally yang chakra, I've noticed most agree that Naruto's chakra cloak is absorbable even though it consists of yang chakra why is mokuton different? I don't think this is where petra paths limit is, it's able to absorb random things such as Naruto's sage energy as well as

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. Nagato absorbed

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which should consist of both yang and yin chakra as bijuu's are chakra beasts made of both types. This could be a possible explanation of how Nagato regained his youthfulness after.

Overall, both the manga pages and the databook point towards petra path being able to absorb mokuton.

I'm not sure if I missed anything but are there any pages of petra path being used and failing to absorb a ninjutsu?

 

[lol99]

why did i immediately think of you when i saw the title? xd

 

[Midday]

why did i immediately think of you when i saw the title? xd

Dunno. :shrug:

 

[Invsblphntm]

Someone has a brain. Good job.

 

[Strict]

Hashirama creates real trees which cannot be absorbed. Even if the trees are controlled by Chakra, the the impact of the tendrils will crush him before he will even try to absorb the Chakra out of them. If I wasn't tired of this topic I would probably create the same thread from the other perspective. Hashirama > Nagato.

 

[raju22]

And... here we go again.

 

[CamW]

I agree 100%

when I read the title, I immediately thought of Preta path absorbing the oil. Good thread, +rep

 

[venuboppudi]

why madara still says only hashirama can stop him even now if he can absorb wood style
wood style is vast justu i think preta cannot take rapid rate wood justu

 

[iSpeak]

I have the official English translated 3rd databook with me right now and I can confirm that they "turn/transform" their chakra into Mokuton (with the exception of a few Mokuton jutsu's) instead of simply manipulating already existing wood. So most Mokuton techniques would get absorbed.

 

[OnPoint]

Fūjutsu Kyūin has no limits when it comes to Ninjutsu, since there is no information in the manga which implies a contradiction has occured, unlike, say, Amaterasu (since we've seen that it cannot be as hot as the sun as it did not destroy the atmosphere). Regardless of the form the chakra takes, be it feathers, lightbulbs, or in this case, trees, Preta Path will spin the chakra within one's body in the opposite direction. The 'life' which Shodai is giving his trees is nothing more than his very own chakra - as stated

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. Again, there is nothing to distinguish between Mokuton and any other form of ninjutsu, since Yamato himself has stated that it is merely the

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of Suiton and Doton; again, this has been stated in the manga. The only time Mokuton will resist being absorbed is if Hashirama manipulates pre-existing seeds or plants in the environment, pumping his chakra into them and forcing them to grow. This would be exactly the same as what Gaara does with his sand, where Madara was only able to absorb the chakra, not the substance. Hashirama cannot use Creation of all things, he cannot create something out of nothing. His techniques are all sourced from one place (his chakra) and are merely chakra in another form.

 

[genii96]

Preta can absorb moukton no problem,it is a manifestation of the user's chakra,if the person manipulates already existing trees,that's different,but making trees from his own chakra is absorbed easily,preta absorbs unlimited chakra,once the moukton touches the preta orb,it is gone,how do you think preta absorbed jiraiya's rasengan asily,despite the size and speed it was coming towards him?,or a rasenshriken which is fast as well?. It dosent matter what state the attack is in,if it's made from the user's chakra,it will be absorbed.

Did you just make this thread to say hashirama>nagato?,cuz CST wipes out any forest he makes.

 

[Simplified]

Hashirama creates real trees which cannot be absorbed. Even if the trees are controlled by Chakra, the the impact of the tendrils will crush him before he will even try to absorb the Chakra out of them. If I wasn't tired of this topic I would probably create the same thread from the other perspective. Hashirama > Nagato.

Here we go lol. i guess this guy didn't read part of the thread.

Oh and Nagato > Hashirama. Sorry :sy:

 

[Midday]

Hashirama creates real trees which cannot be absorbed. Even if the trees are controlled by Chakra, the the impact of the tendrils will crush him before he will even try to absorb the Chakra out of them. If I wasn't tired of this topic I would probably create the same thread from the other perspective. Hashirama > Nagato.

The trees can't be absorbed because they're real? What about the real oil that was absorbed? As for the impact Nagato should have been split in two

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but there weren't even signs of damage through the crumbling edo effect. That was the

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that tore Sasuke's chest open. Create your thread from the other perspective or post here I don't mind reading what you've got to say.

 

[lol99]

you forgot to mention that preta path or nagato will turn into stone after absorbing natural energy

second the mokuton that comes from the body is made by changing the nature of one's own cells, this scan of danzo should be pretty self explanatory

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you can even consult databook on mokuton bunshin

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[raju22]

Fūjutsu Kyūin has no limits when it comes to Ninjutsu, since there is no information in the manga which implies a contradiction has occured, unlike, say, Amaterasu (since we've seen that it cannot be as hot as the sun as it did not destroy the atmosphere). Regardless of the form the chakra takes, be it feathers, lightbulbs, or in this case, trees, Preta Path will spin the chakra within one's body in the opposite direction. The 'life' which Shodai is giving his trees is nothing more than his very own chakra - as stated

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. Again, there is nothing to distinguish between Mokuton and any other form of ninjutsu, since Yamato himself has stated that it is merely the

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of Suiton and Doton; again, this has been stated in the manga. The only time Mokuton will resist being absorbed is if Hashirama manipulates pre-existing seeds or plants in the environment, pumping his chakra into them and forcing them to grow. This would be exactly the same as what Gaara does with his sand, where Madara was only able to absorb the chakra, not the substance. Hashirama cannot use Creation of all things, he cannot create something out of nothing. His techniques are all sourced from one place (his chakra) and are merely chakra in another form.

Your avatar is badass as always, and that sig made me LOL since i imagined the sceane on few Itachi lovers

@post, it is a common knowledge for every one who uses common sense, no matter how hard you try Hashi wankers are not gonna stop wanking.

 

[FloriGlori]

Funny enough, I have the official German translated databook with me right now, and can tell you that you're not right. Yamato's various techniques partially have different ways of working; the umbrella article for Mokuton no Jutsu, however, makes it quite clear: The chakra is converted into a source of life, which brings forth trees. Not into trees themselves. That's the concept of Mokuton. Turning one's Chakra into a source of life that brings forth trees. If there's Chakra inside of those trees that can be absorbed is another story.

The article about Jukai Koutan, from the first databook, also states that Hashirama's Chakra becomes the root of the tree's source of life. Those are real, actual trees.

 

[10023213]

its not chakra its wood so you can't obsorb it just because the user did the jutsu just by using chakra........but maybe it can stop the momentum of it since it is controled by chakra but if a person is control mokuton and makes a block of wood in the sky and drops it then maybe preta path can obsorb whatever chakra is inside it but it can't stop the wood from hitting the person doing preta path unless they somehow block it because even if no one is controling the wood its still dropping

 

[Strict]

Funny enough, I have the official German translated databook with me right now, and can tell you that you're not right. Yamato's various techniques partially have different ways of working; the umbrella article for Mokuton no Jutsu, however, makes it quite clear: The chakra is converted into a source of life, which brings forth trees. Not into trees themselves. That's the concept of Mokuton. Turning one's Chakra into a source of life that brings forth trees.

The article about Jukai Koutan, from the first databook, also states that Hashirama's Chakra becomes the root of the tree's source of life. Those are real, actual trees.

^This. I don't need to read the whole thread, Rul posted this arguments already a bunch of times before.

 

[OnPoint]

Your avatar is badass as always, and that sig made me LOL since i imagined the sceane on few Itachi lovers

@post, it is a common knowledge for every one who uses common sense, no matter how hard you try Hashi wankers are not gonna stop wanking.

Thanks. These things have been canonically stated. They cannot be argued with, since it is merely chakra in another form. It's irrelevant how 'real' the trees may be since we have evidence of Jiraiya's oil being absorbed. Suiton, Doton (and to complete it) Yang chakra = Mokuton. It's only unclear whether or not Shodai is manipulating pre-existing materials or whether he's making it himself (when we see Mokuton come out of the ground, we cannot truely say). But if we see it being expelled straight from his body, it is as clear as day.

 

[iSpeak]

Well I really cant be bothered to get into an argument about this again. Ill just quote the databook exactly and let people interpret it how they will. Personally, I think kishi has made it very clear that the trees are made from their chakra through the various use of "appear" and turns/transforms chakra into etc.
Real trees cant suppress a Bijuu's chakra. Also, turning chakra into the origin of life doesn't contradict me in any way... so I don't know why you would even bring that up. It should have been obvious from the start that that is what Mokuton does... since it is being turned into trees (which are alive).

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Mokuton - "When Yamato forms the sign for Wood Style, trees appear on a sheer rock wall. If he wished, he can even turn a desert into a forest."

Mokuton - "A legendary jutsu that turns chakra into the origin of life and a hidden jutsu that presently only Yamato can handle. It is a genetically inherited skill whereby the basic Earth style and Water style chakra elements are invoked simultaneously to make plants and trees appear. By transforming the plants and trees, this jutsu shows tremendous effectiveness both for attack and defense."

"Chakra is transformed in the earth into timber, forming a wooden prison as the wood grows rapidly. The size of the prison is based on Yamato's imagination and can be freely changed from bug cage size to a huge penitentiary. The timber is coated with chakra, making it extremely difficult to break out of the prison."

"A prison appears in an instant from Yamato's imagination. During battle, it shows its effectiveness as a place to keep prisoners; it can also be used as a place to punish subordinates who don't get along."