Petra paths limits and mokuton

[TheSages456]

Hashiramas yang energy is just a source. It is what promotes life to spawn. The trees aren't made of chakra and there isn't any chakra running through them. It's just like when naruto went near those zetsus. His lifeforce made them turn into trees but there isn't any chakra in those trees.

 

[Strict]

Mokuton - "When Yamato forms the sign for Wood Style, trees appear on a sheer rock wall. If he wished, he can even turn a desert into a forest."

"A legendary jutsu that turns chakra into the origin of life and a hidden jutsu that presently only Yamato can handle. It is a genetically inherited skill whereby the basic Earth style and Water style chakra elements are invoked simultaneously to make plants and trees appear. By transforming the plants and trees, this jutsu shows tremendous effectiveness both for attack and defense."

"Chakra is transformed in the earth into timber, forming a wooden prison as the wood grows rapidly. The size of the prison is based on Yamato's imagination and can be freely changed from bug cage size to a huge penitentiary. The timber is coated with chakra, making it extremely difficult to break out of the prison."

"A prison appears in an instant from Yamato's imagination. During battle, it shows its effectiveness as a place to keep prisoners; it can also be used as a place to punish subordinates who don't get along."

Just what Flori and I explained a bunch of times. The trees are not controlled by Chakra, Hashirama is sending Chakra into the ground and creates roots from hi Chakra that are converted into a source of life. From there, Hashiramas Chakra is working like a dung which increases the growth of real, actual trees and controls them from their origin. The growth and control of those trees happens in their source of life, which exists in the ground. All this is well explained in the official databooks.

Above the databooks are full of hyperboles. If Preta can absorb any Ninjutsu, Amaterasu should be as hot as the sun, as well as any attack would loose its effect in front of Yatas mirror. Means that Itachi would kick everyones ass. Nagato fans are very annoying some times.

 

[Midday]

Just what Flori and I explained a bunch of times. The trees are not controlled by Chakra, Hashirama is sending Chakra into the ground and creates roots from hi Chakra that are converted into a source of life. From there, Hashiramas Chakra is working like a dung which increases the growth of real, actual trees and controls them from their origin. The growth and control of those trees happens in their source of life, which exists in the ground. All this is well explained in the official databooks.

Above the databooks are full of hyperboles. If Preta can absorb any Ninjutsu, Amaterasu should be as hot as the sun, as well as any attack would loose its effect in front of Yatas mirror. Means that Itachi would kick everyones ass. Nagato fans are very annoying some times.

At bold. You've just said the trees were created from his chakra, just like a fireball that's created from Sasuke's chakra can be absorbed even though it's a real fire, how is mokuton different? It doesn't matter if Sasuke then adds more chakra or whatever to make the fireball larger it was original created from his chakra and can be absorbed. The tree's source of life is Hashirama's chakra.

You can try to write off petra path as a hyperbole but so far the manga hasn't contradicted with the databooks in this scenario. I'm not just using the databook to support my argument. Also this isn't just about Nagato this also applies to when I see people say Hashirama can beat Edo Madara or Tobi.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

if its ninjutsu it can be absorbed because thats what kishi said

 

[Zato]

Ive been saying this awhile ago in the Hashirama vs Nagato threads. I'm glad to see some people have simple logical thinking.

 

[Strict]

At bold. You've just said the trees were created from his chakra, just like a fireball that's created from Sasuke's chakra can be absorbed even though it's a real fire, how is mokuton different? It doesn't matter if Sasuke then adds more chakra or whatever to make the fireball larger it was original created from his chakra and can be absorbed. The tree's source of life is Hashirama's chakra.

You can try to write off petra path as a hyperbole but so far the manga hasn't contradicted with the databooks in this scenario. I'm not just using the databook to support my argument. Also this isn't just about Nagato this also applies to when I see people say Hashirama can beat Edo Madara or Tobi.

Because Sasukes Katon consists out of Chakra, the trees themselves do not consist out of Chakra. The only Chakra you can meet is in their roots, which are converted into a source of life. He does not control the tendrils with Chakra inside them, he controls them from the ground from their roots, where their Chakra is.

Yeah, the Rasengan, Katon and Rasenshuriken are Chakra which are converted into a form. The Mokuton on the other hand isn't. The Mokuton consists out of real trees and the Chakra isn't converted into the trees, it is converted into the roots which are in the ground and let real trees grow from there. Even the Databooks agree with this.

If Sasuke adds Chakra into his Katon, the strength of its attack rises, but it is still a form of Chakra. But if Hashirama wants to increase the growth of the trees or to control them, he isn't controlling the tendrils with Chakra, he is sending his Chakra in the ground where the trees source of life is.

This was my last post to this topic.

 

[iSpeak]

Just what Flori and I explained a bunch of times. The trees are not controlled by Chakra, Hashirama is sending Chakra into the ground and creates roots from hi Chakra that are converted into a source of life. From there, Hashiramas Chakra is working like a dung which increases the growth of real, actual trees and controls them from their origin. The growth and control of those trees happens in their source of life, which exists in the ground. All this is well explained in the official databooks.

Wrong, it clearly says the chakra in transformed into timber. Yamato sends chakra into the ground which is transformed into timber. Also, you have misunderstood the "his chakra became the root of the plants life force". That anbu guy was simply saying that "his" (Hashirama's chakra) is becoming the root (as in source/origin with no "s" at the end) of the woods life force. It is exactly the same as what Naruto's cloak did to Yamato's wood. I don't know where what you said came from... that was never said anywhere.

Above the databooks are full of hyperboles. If Preta can absorb any Ninjutsu, Amaterasu should be as hot as the sun, as well as any attack would loose its effect in front of Yatas mirror. Means that Itachi would kick everyones ass. Nagato fans are very annoying some times.

I know the databooks are full of hyperboles and I know "being able to absorb any ninjutsu" is one... I never said that is what the Preta Paths ability is. Being able to absorb any ninjutsu was just the over-exaggerated title of the ability.. the actual description of the Preta path in the databook is that it is able to abosorb chakra in any form, regardless of what it has been turned into.
Im not sure if that Nagato fan comment was directed at me aswell, but I am far from a Nagato fan. I have been called a fanboy of many different characters, which just goes to show I am a fanboy of nobody.

 

[TrollingSage]

At bold. You've just said the trees were created from his chakra, just like a fireball that's created from Sasuke's chakra can be absorbed even though it's a real fire, how is mokuton different? It doesn't matter if Sasuke then adds more chakra or whatever to make the fireball larger it was original created from his chakra and can be absorbed. The tree's source of life is Hashirama's chakra.

You can try to write off petra path as a hyperbole but so far the manga hasn't contradicted with the databooks in this scenario. I'm not just using the databook to support my argument. Also this isn't just about Nagato this also applies to when I see people say Hashirama can beat Edo Madara or Tobi.

There is a slight difference. With mokuton chakra isnt the material that forms the mokuton. Its just a source of energy for the trees to grow. Its similar to Tsunade's regeneration. When Tsunade regenerates her part of the body, she uses her chakra to speed up the growth of her cells. The regenerated part isnt actually chakra is it?

 

[hamer34]

gha absorving techniques make everything more complicated