Super theory. inc- EMS, Shisui, Tobi stuff and more ?

[Legendary Broly]

First off I'd like to say I like the thread +rep.

I have read a few things that pose questions in my mind and it seems that people dance right around them, intentionally or not I'm not sure.

1:If Tobi has Shisui's body and took him before he died, Why did he not simply put Obito's eye into Shisui's socket there-by activating the EMS and powering himself up.

2:If killingyour best friend is what is required to activate MS then please explain how Sasuke's was activated without killing Naruto. It was enabled through the intense fight that they had.

Thanks man xd
Rep+ but it didn't improve your rep

1. I just had another thought just then, what if Shisui did kill himself but also because he knew about Tobi wanting to use him U_U
Perhaps he was originally planned to become what Sasuke is to Tobi today - again using him for his EMS xd
Shisui caught on though and killed himself to ensure Tobi could not achieve this .. Tobi warped the body to his dimension in hope of still being able to activate EMS yet he couldn't because he was dead

2. Well you don't HAVE to kill your best friend in order to achieve MS - as seen with Kakashi who exposed himself to an emotional incident

Omg this might be true! And maybe he knows this much because he got Obitos other eye? I mean, if both eyes are Obitos, they could maybe also be connected in eye sight? (Tobi can see Kakashis vision) ;D and with Tobi's other eye, he can see perfectly normal? Just a thought lol.. (If thats true, that also explains how Tobi knows that Kakashi lived a life of regrets! And he heard about Might Guy forgetting faces from the shark Kisame sent with information on the Hidden clouds turtle island!)

Hey bro I had that exact same thought ! It also explains how Obito knew not to worry when it appeared kakashi was beaten by the kidnapper ! xd
He goes ' don't worry' , I thought perhaps he could see what was going on !?

I don't know if this has been brought up in one of your theories because I only looked at one of them. Mainly "tobi" not going blind. It explains in the anime that in order for an uchiha to have a permanent MS or EMS they need to transplant the eyes from another uchiha (brothers, same blood line), for example Madara and Izuna (pretty sure).

I don't have enough knowledge to tackle your other theories, so I'll just stick to the one.

Transplated sharingan eyes from a brother/parent/cousin to another gives them a permanent MS or EMS (for whatever reason).

Well I said it only slows down the process of losing your light xd
It does not stop one from going completely blind eventually xd

 

[Carlhens]

I read all of it and I found some of the theories very interesting. I just hope one of those is a good one but you put a lot of work in your theory.

 

[Legendary Broly]

I read all of it and I found some of the theories very interesting. I just hope one of those is a good one but you put a lot of work in your theory.

well thanks man xd
I hope one of them turns out close to the real deal
rep+ thanks for reading

 

[Forsberg]

I came here quite sceptical of what i would have to read. However i found it very interesting. Great job!

It is very likely and covers small details in the manga other theories fails to cover.

+rep.

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

Nice work man. I went through the entire theory nd liked it a lot. Appreciate ur effort...

 

[Legendary Broly]

I came here quite sceptical of what i would have to read. However i found it very interesting. Great job!

It is very likely and covers small details in the manga other theories fails to cover.

+rep.

Thanks bro I am glad I opened your mind xd
And I already rep+ you for a thread of yours so I can't rep+ you in thanks for taking your time to read xd
But yeah I appreciate it bro

Nice work man. I went through the entire theory nd liked it a lot. Appreciate ur effort...

Thanks man xd
Rep+ for taking the time to read

 

[Nightjoker]

Really nice and well thought. Everything in the theories fits together. +Reps from me

 

[Multiply]

Liked it IMO, +rep!

 

[Eisenpelz]

atm im still stuck on page 8...
so far i have to say, i like this whole thread and do agree with most of it.
but one thing i dont get is this kisame-brainwash thingy to make him believe tobi=madara.
seriously guys, there is no need for a super strong genjutsu to convince kisame.
he did not know the real madara.
perhaps he knew stuff like every uchiha has been slaughtered.
so i think its enough, if tobi just showed off his sharingan and claimed to
be madara
to make kisame think sth like "dang he got the sharingan, but every uchiha living in konoha is dead...and he is powerful enough to control our mizukage...shit, it really is madara".
get my point?

and now i'll read on ;-)

and btw +rep from me

some random thought in the end:
it seems confirmed that an uchiha needs ms and his brothers ms to unlock ems.
but how the heck did this lead to brothers killing off each other?
i mean, isnt it way more easy to approach ur bro and say:
"hey i give u mine if u give me yours!"
since your own eyes probably get removed before putting in your brothers,
i seriously dont get the point why to make it that dead serious.
or is it just some twisted sort of ambition? any opinions towards this??

 

[HUZIS]

+rep

I think some points could be true or not.
However, this is a really good prediction. the way that the story could turn into this prediction would satisfy me.
i like it
(sorry for my bad english)

btw. I think he is older than old than old than old -so I think tobi is the one of the rukodo senin kids (older one)

 

[SashaUchiha]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Everything you said was the most uncommon theory all put together
With that comment, adding this being the most uncommon I've heard it is amazing. Very well put together,
With that your theory would be most impressive if it were true or plausible which it does Put a twist in there but I've been saying this for awhile kishi haas a way of twisting words and stories and people just like the famouse example itachi
There was no way in hell anyone knew itach was a good guy he was portrayed as the most ruthless killer S-rank criminal
When he inside was a good hearted ninja to the end. Revealing that was mind bottling already so I think and hope kishi makes Tobi identity worth while

For me your theory would be great fit but I feel strongly about Tobi being Izuna

Also pointing out on a part of your theory I think they confirmed that the senju DNA makes the sharingan last longer well for blindness reasons
Danzo said it if I recall because he was experimented on his arm having those sharingan and him not being a uchiha made it worse so he has senju DNA to make izanagi affects last longer meaning the eye would t go blind that second and would after 5mins instead
So I assume if your a uchiha originally and have senju and don't use izanagi then your theory would kick in about them having the sharingan not going blind

I knew Itachi was good... But the only witness to that theory of mine is my little brother... He called me cruel and often said "You're just like Itachi!" xd That's when I realized Itachi was a good person U_U
True Story!

First off I'd like to say I like the thread +rep.

I have read a few things that pose questions in my mind and it seems that people dance right around them, intentionally or not I'm not sure.

1:If Tobi has Shisui's body and took him before he died, Why did he not simply put Obito's eye into Shisui's socket there-by activating the EMS and powering himself up.

2:If killingyour best friend is what is required to activate MS then please explain how Sasuke's was activated without killing Naruto. It was enabled through the intense fight that they had.

1. Because a dead guy awakens nothing... :shrug:\
2. Because Itachi transferred his powers to Sasuke... Killing Itachi was as bad as killing his best friend.

He could of gotten the rinnegan without having 2kids fight each other. He could of gotten it all along but the thread clearly says he wanted and still wants EMS and not rinnegan. I don't see why he didn't implant sasuke and Itachi merged eyes in himself while doing the surgery. The Rin part clearly doesn't make sense. And Tobi being able to spam ms without havin EMS makes less sense also.

Merge eyes? What was that?

atm im still stuck on page 8...
so far i have to say, i like this whole thread and do agree with most of it.
but one thing i dont get is this kisame-brainwash thingy to make him believe tobi=madara.
seriously guys, there is no need for a super strong genjutsu to convince kisame.
he did not know the real madara.
perhaps he knew stuff like every uchiha has been slaughtered.
so i think its enough, if tobi just showed off his sharingan and claimed to
be madara
to make kisame think sth like "dang he got the sharingan, but every uchiha living in konoha is dead...and he is powerful enough to control our mizukage...shit, it really is madara".
get my point?

and now i'll read on ;-)

and btw +rep from me

some random thought in the end:
it seems confirmed that an uchiha needs ms and his brothers ms to unlock ems.
but how the heck did this lead to brothers killing off each other?
i mean, isnt it way more easy to approach ur bro and say:
"hey i give u mine if u give me yours!"
since your own eyes probably get removed before putting in your brothers,
i seriously dont get the point why to make it that dead serious.
or is it just some twisted sort of ambition? any opinions towards this??

1. You are right there... remember Minato? That guy didn't even see his face and concluded it was Madara... that was too much though... U_U
2. That would have worked but then it would make Uchiha's look like lovely-strong people and that's too much OPness... Kishi wanted the story to remain Naruto instead of turning into Uchiha Ninden...

 

[Cloudfx]

I am just going to quickly answer this post because it is one of the last ones xd
Tobi obviously does not have his own rinnegan U_U
Tobi needs rinnegan yes but he has it already but someone elses - what eye stage has he skippped ? EMS
To have EMS means he wont go blind and also like I said maybe needed for infinite Tsukuyomi
Also with EMS he will be able to evolve his own rinnegan hence being able to flick back an forth between sharingan and rinnegan techniques
You are sort of short sighted if you can't see why Tobi didn't drug Sasuke U_U
Sasuke is not that easy to drug U_U
Are you trying to say put two eyes one from itachi and one from Sasuke into each eye socket ? :flaw:
What the heck- it does not work like that , Itachi's eyes have to replace Sasuke's eyes hence forming EMS , you can't just put Sasukes eye in one socket and Itachi's in the other and hope for EMS
Your reasoning here with the EMS is what is weak xd
I said senju DNA makes the eyes vision last longer not not let it become blind U_U
You can see how it worked with Shisui's KA and made Izangi last a lot longer so this can be possible for Tobi's MS as well U_U
As for Rin well you aren't going to budge - it was a minor theory I threw in there just because , and who knows it could be possible in the end x
:scorps:



Thanks bro and I agree with your points xd
And Izuna seems to be a popular candidate for Tobi's ID
@RED I agree thanks bro - but I don't think it would stop him going blind but perhaps make MS last longer before he began to lose his light
rep+ you have some interesting points

Yeah izuna is a popular one but so is the elder son of the safe and obito obviously we still have those ranting people haha but i don't know just the fact that madara knows him. At one point cause my mentality was set to hopefully be like kishi so I started this other theory thinking a senju was Tobi well at first it was the first hokage came to mind in my head but not possible his soul is sealed awy Gaha ,
But yeah that went on for awhile but dropped it out of my head lol
Im still new to this is idk what this does +Rep
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Oh yeah yeah exactly so no wouldn't make you blind but like you said
Just pro long the blind ness and attacks they get lol
But if they have EMS that makes not go blind so on top of senju DNA well that just adds up to madara EMS and senju abd that helped him get the rinnengan I believe
But yeah an unstoppable force is example like madara
Senju -EMS- Rinnegan evolution
Sasuke is getting close
But Tobi there is no actual evidence that he had Ms
Just his sharingans he has ,
And his replacements mad laboratory lol
That place I think and could obviously
Be the uchiha massacre sharingans who knows if theyll get into depth about that

But yeah going izuna is him or your theory would be awesome !

 

[Vhoopee]

1. Because a dead guy awakens nothing... :shrug:\
2. Because Itachi transferred his powers to Sasuke... Killing Itachi was as bad as killing his best friend..

1: True, but as we've seen DNA can be taken from the dead and used to activate things otherwise unobtainable.

2: I think Sasuke had MS before encountering Itachi.

 

[Eisenpelz]

1. You are right there... remember Minato? That guy didn't even see his face and concluded it was Madara... that was too much though...
2. That would have worked but then it would make Uchiha's look like lovely-strong people and that's too much OPness... Kishi wanted the story to remain Naruto instead of turning into Uchiha Ninden...

1.thank you for agreeing!

2.but this way it seems like a serious plot-hole to me,
since there is no logical reason presented why they have to kill e.o.
(at least none other than kishi said so....).
makes me a little sad here ;-)

but i guess it could be explained with them uchiha being known for being haters,
and if you're raised to rival your brother, it could be pretty much satisfying to kill him off, for whatever reason (just a guess, no experience there ;-) ).
so the uchiha simply wouldnt see the need to find out, if the brothers life could be spared.
and i think that would still be a weak reason standing on thin ice

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[Holumighty]

cool theory +rep

 

[Gouryuuka]

I am shocked to see a theory that is pretty much dead on to what I have been thinking of concerning Tobi...Great thread and nicely done.

 

[Anakin Skywalker]

Its a very gud theory and i read the whole thing
every thing adds up now.... the blood line,tobi's identity,rin's death
and a bit creepy to see the face resemblance

but i have one doubt(Sorry for not being smart)

I get that kagami need an EMS to create Infinite Tsukuyomi and he cant attain it because has no siblings
why would he planning to get EMS through obito and shisui ... its a lot of trouble
it is that possible that there are other siblings in the uchiha clan after all he has a whole room full of sharingans , then he has zetsu and senju DNA ....

just asking

 

[Cloudfx]

I knew Itachi was good... But the only witness to that theory of mine is my little brother... He called me cruel and often said "You're just like Itachi!" xd That's when I realized Itachi was a good person U_U
True Story!





Well yeah him being Sasuke brother wise haha
But I meant like after the fact of the massacre and
Using tsukyomi on him and then his famous hurt ful yet sublimal message
Quote haha but we all know he saw itach cry when he chased after him but Sasuke himself wasn't sure if he saw what he saw.
But yeah at a point the way you pointed him out
Due to him being brother material
But I was mentioning after he acceppted the mission
And all that drama haha
I was fooled then by his devilish looks and hard shell and inside softy haha

 

[MystNin13]

Much respect for all the time and effort you put in.
I've seen so many Tobi theories that im losing track of how many Uchiha's there have been so to reduce further confusion im trusting your theory xd

 

[Recable]

Ohhhh, that could be true.... as Tobi did want to steal Danzo's eye (Shisui) maybe that why then.. or just the OP genjutsu .