Itachi vs Pain
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Tsukuyomi won't work on someone with Doujutsu who also has Uchiha and Senju DNA. All Doujutsu have means to combat illusion, along with a Doujutsu it happens to be the case that Nagato possesses Uchiha DNA as well as Senju DNA for the sole reason he's a Rikudou.
Re-read Tobi vs Konan. Nagato is the third Rikudou; to be a Rikudou you need to have Uchiha and Senju DNA. That is why Madara is the second Rikudou while Nagato is the third.
You can't argue with canon.
Furthermore if you're going to call arguments pathetic, you need to learn to properly read posts you quote: find where I said that Nagato was on the Sage of the Six Paths' level.
.....What do you mean no manga proof? Tobi called him the 3rd Rikudo, and to be a Rikudo you must possess the DNA from both clans (as both Tobi and Madara show). So what if he was given the eyes? Wasn't Tobi given Shodai's DNA? What's your point? Sasuke's 3 tomoe broke out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi, do you know how many levels beneath the Rinnegan the 3 tomoe is?
This isn't even the main reason why Tsukuyomi is a non factor in this fight.
Read the chapter again. What does it take to be a Rikudou? You need Uchiha and Senju DNA, that is why Madara became a Rikudou, he added Senju DNA to his Uchiha DNA. Nagato was called a third Rikudou meaning me met the same criteria.
Rinnegan is a tool that Rikudous are gifted with.
Yamato still has Senju DNA.
MinatoFLASH
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This is what i tried to tell him. Nagato is a LONG range fighter and tsukyomi is short ranged. Search it up. Not to mention 3 tomoe sharingan breaks tsukyomi and now we know Rinnegan is just an advanced version of sharingan. sharingan<MS<EMS<RINNEGAN! If sharingan is all it takes to break tsukyomi I dont see how a Rinnegan wouldnt thats cannon.
Wait. I don't think there's any proof of Tsukyiomi being only short ranged. Logically, it works as far as a user's vision.
3 tomoe sharingan does not break tsukyiomi. Itachi obviously LET Sasuke break tsukyiomi, because otherwise it would have been pointless to fight him and win in the first minute or so.
Rinnegan > Sharingan doesn't prove anything. You can be an expert sharingan user and beat a rinnegan user any day. It doesn't matter if it's an upgrade or not, because it doesn't evolve into a dojutsu that counters the sharingan perfectly, it just evolves into something entirely different. So that means the MS-related jutsus are still as dangerous.
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the rinnegan cant even see thru smoke and dust, what makes you guys think he can see thru tsukyomi? because its a higher and more powerful form of eye ? it doesnt matter if you have a better eye, nagato doesnt have what he needs to break tsukyomi. and that is a bijju. and only sasuke can break thru tsukyomi as said by itachi in the link below.
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MinatoFLASH
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Any proof that Itchi LET Sasuke escape?? All it says is you need Uchiha DNA to escape it which Nagato has because if he didnt he wouldnt have Rinnegan. I guess a 3 tomoe sharingan is required at least but Rinnegan is far above that and still has the same DNA except with senju DNA also. I dont see how tsukyomi wins this. Also search up tsukyomi its short ranged according to data.
bold: YES. How about the fact that he wanted Sasuke to win? Good enough? Itachi always wanted Sasuke to grow stronger, not hurt him.
Also, where's the proof that Nagato has Uchiha DNA? Rinnegan was supposedly put in there by Tobi. Until proven otherwise, I will consider that as to be true.
And according to that "data", amaterasu is the strongest ninjutsu, so how accurate is that?
MinatoFLASH
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Itachi says sharingan breaks tsukyomi in manga and so imma go wit the manga. And u can't have rinnegan without uchiha DNA since its an advanced sharingan. Shinra tensie counters Amaterasu.
But Itachi couldn't beat Nagatos CT which is why he asked bee and naruto to fire their most powerful attack at CT. Without them he would of clearly died. Proof enough?
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Shinobi2000
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Pain at full power takes Itachi, all the summons thrown at him he could deffend with amaterasu, but what about absorbing jutsu? Shinra tensei, Banshou tenin, Chibaku tensei, Itachi can put one of them into genjutsu but not all five at the same time, big shinra tensei would kill Itachi. His only chance is Suusano but again absorbing jutsu, No, i say no!
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1.Partner method
2.Discharging pein bodies then activating them again
3.Using chakra rods to disrupt chakra within themselves
4.Using the other body to attack itachi thus forcibly making him release it
5.theres also the notion that visual genjutsu doesn't work on the rinnegan seeing that itachi didn't try it once against nagato
It's quite suspicious since itachi always always uses genjutsu against his opponents
Itachi can also not put 6 dead bodies under a genjutsu it jus won't work since sharingan genjutsu is suitable for individual targets
