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First off, THIS IS NOT a Tobi thread. Tobi could be the man in the moon for all I care, I just wanted to get this out after hearing it tossed around so many times.
Now to the point, a lot of people insist that Izuna must be dead because Madara "confirmed" it.
This one panel here ^
"After my brother died, he only left me his eyes and their power."
"AFTER my brother died..."
I've looked up several translations as well as the actual Raws for the chapter for those who want to put forth the translation argument. It's virtually the same both ways.
Madara is speaking as if Izuna's death is in the past. It's a tricky way to word it, but basically Madara is confirming his death, but at the same time leaving his actual current status ambiguous. Basically we know Izuna DIED (in the past), but he may not actually be DEAD.
Who else fits this description? Who else has DIED but is not currently DEAD?
-Kakashi
-Shizune
-Fukasaku
-Madara
All of these folks have died. Are they currently dead? No.
Thus, you can insert any of the above mentioned into Madara's sentence form.
Ex. "After Kakashi died, he imparted a final gift of bravery and heroism towards Chouji by saving his life from Pain's missiles."
See? Just because they died in the past, doesn't mean they are dead in the present.
*Also, pretty much everyone who was ever Edo Tenseid (although now technically dead) had DIED before they were revived. When they were fighting they had DIED but were not DEAD (revived).
Now what sort of incredible magical force could possibly revive someone? Theoretically Madara would have been the one to revive Izuna. How can this be?
Which magical set of eyes does Madara have?
What can the Rinnegan do?
Does Madara know how to revive people using the Rinne Tensei?
There you go.
Furthermore, some argue that if Izuna was indeed alive, then Madara would've just said it plain and simple. I mean, why not?
However, Madara wouldn't say "My brother's still alive." because it would ruin whatever plans Kishi has for Izuna to reappear. Even if Madara had bothered to say his brother was still alive or something along those lines, the DIALOGUE WOULD STILL SOUND THE SAME.
Ex.1 "After my brother died, all he left me where his eyes and their power, but he's still alive."
Ex.2 "My brother is still alive, but after he died all he left me were his eyes and their power."
So to summarize, Madara hasn't really confirmed anything other than Izuna DIED (in the past) but he never said that he's actually DEAD. He may yet still be alive for whatever reasons
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You can choose whether or not to believe Izuna is still alive, but don't say that Madara has confirmed anything when he technically hasn't. Death doesn't really have much of an impact in this manga as you may have realized. Thanks for reading
Now to the point, a lot of people insist that Izuna must be dead because Madara "confirmed" it.
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This one panel here ^
"After my brother died, he only left me his eyes and their power."
"AFTER my brother died..."
I've looked up several translations as well as the actual Raws for the chapter for those who want to put forth the translation argument. It's virtually the same both ways.
You must be registered for see images
Madara is speaking as if Izuna's death is in the past. It's a tricky way to word it, but basically Madara is confirming his death, but at the same time leaving his actual current status ambiguous. Basically we know Izuna DIED (in the past), but he may not actually be DEAD.
Who else fits this description? Who else has DIED but is not currently DEAD?
-Kakashi
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-Shizune
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-Fukasaku
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-Madara
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All of these folks have died. Are they currently dead? No.
Thus, you can insert any of the above mentioned into Madara's sentence form.
Ex. "After Kakashi died, he imparted a final gift of bravery and heroism towards Chouji by saving his life from Pain's missiles."
See? Just because they died in the past, doesn't mean they are dead in the present.
*Also, pretty much everyone who was ever Edo Tenseid (although now technically dead) had DIED before they were revived. When they were fighting they had DIED but were not DEAD (revived).
Now what sort of incredible magical force could possibly revive someone? Theoretically Madara would have been the one to revive Izuna. How can this be?
Which magical set of eyes does Madara have?
You must be registered for see images
What can the Rinnegan do?
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
Does Madara know how to revive people using the Rinne Tensei?
You must be registered for see images
There you go.
Furthermore, some argue that if Izuna was indeed alive, then Madara would've just said it plain and simple. I mean, why not?
However, Madara wouldn't say "My brother's still alive." because it would ruin whatever plans Kishi has for Izuna to reappear. Even if Madara had bothered to say his brother was still alive or something along those lines, the DIALOGUE WOULD STILL SOUND THE SAME.
Ex.1 "After my brother died, all he left me where his eyes and their power, but he's still alive."
Ex.2 "My brother is still alive, but after he died all he left me were his eyes and their power."
So to summarize, Madara hasn't really confirmed anything other than Izuna DIED (in the past) but he never said that he's actually DEAD. He may yet still be alive for whatever reasons
.You can choose whether or not to believe Izuna is still alive, but don't say that Madara has confirmed anything when he technically hasn't. Death doesn't really have much of an impact in this manga as you may have realized. Thanks for reading
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