Orochimaru was always the Strongest of the Sannin

[UzumakiNaruto20]

If Jiraiya catches Orochimaru in Frog Song and uses Goemon, then he takes it. I'll concede that. However. That's a huge if that is affected by a lot of factors. The prep time for frog song is it's biggest weakness, and unless Jiraiya can hide from Orochimaru then it's a no-go. In the event that Jiraiya uses Goemon without Frog Song immobilizing Orochimaru, then Orochimaru has Leech All Creation to evade it.

Also, I have no doubt in my mind that Orochima could tank four Giant Rasengan. Kyuubi beam, albeit weakened by the Triple Rashomon, left his body completely mangled and broken and yet he still had enough fight left in him to push Kyuubi back miles with Kusanagi. Only AFTER this did he use Oral Rebirth to recover from the damage. As far as he's shown, he can recover from everything short of having his body completely vaporized.

Also, my point here isn't that Orochimaru definitely beats Jiraiya. It's that Jiraiya doesn't definitely beat Orochimaru.

@Bold A shadow clone would do fine in stalling him for a few minutes.

As for the finishing tech, Orochimaru can be stepped on/stabbed after he is turned into a frog with

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technique. Problem solved.

 

[blazekev90]

Lol ppl still think Jman is stronger than Orochiamru?!?! Really, Jman's base mode would get demolished and Jman SM wouldn't only really be an issue if Oro is caught in genjutsu.

 

[SatchiZurake]

@Bold A shadow clone would do fine in stalling him for a few minutes.

As for the finishing tech, Orochimaru can be stepped on/stabbed after he is turned into a frog with

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technique. Problem solved.

A shadow clone will do fine in stalling him for a few seconds maybe, or a giant snake will do fine in taking care of a shadow clone.

To that technique, I'd love to see Jiraiya get that close to Orochimaru's face without getting impaled by the sword of Kusanagi. Or getting strangled by his tounge.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

A shadow clone will do fine in stalling him for a few seconds maybe, or a giant snake will do fine in taking care of a shadow clone.

To that technique, I'd love to see Jiraiya get that close to Orochimaru's face without getting impaled by the sword of Kusanagi. Or getting strangled by his tounge.

Jiraiya obviously would not use the technique until after Orochimaru is in Frog Song, at that point he would be unable to defend himself.

 

[DevonV]

Orochimaru is the strongest sannin. That is fact.

 

[SatchiZurake]

Jiraiya obviously would not use the technique until after Orochimaru is in Frog Song, at that point he would be unable to defend himself.

Then it stands, in the circumstance that Jiraiya can activate Frog Song he takes it. If he has a place to hide from Orochimaru long enough to use this technique, Jiraiya takes the battle. Otherwise Orochimaru takes this.

 

[Prime Rib]

j-man and oro are equal

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Then it stands, in the circumstance that Jiraiya can activate Frog Song he takes it. If he has a place to hide from Orochimaru long enough to use this technique, Jiraiya takes the battle. Otherwise Orochimaru takes this.

@Bold. He actually has two places to hide.

1) Inside the rock frog's stomach. Orochimaru can't get in because he doesn't have Amaterasu.

2) Have the frogs summon him to Mt. Myoboku for a few minutes to enter Sage Mode. Then he comes back via reverse summoning.

 

[blazekev90]

@ Naruto20 you do know what attack prevention technique is right?!? Orochimaru would that easily in the situation your putting against Jman.

 

[SatchiZurake]

@Bold. He actually has two places to hide.

1) Inside the rock frog's stomach. Orochimaru can't get in because he doesn't have Amaterasu.

2) Have the frogs summon him to Mt. Myoboku for a few minutes to enter Sage Mode. Then he comes back via reverse summoning.

There's just one problem with that...If Orochimaru isn't there to hear the entire frog song then it kinda destroys the point doesn't it?

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

@ Naruto20 you do know what attack prevention technique is right?!? Orochimaru would that easily in the situation your putting against Jman.

Don't know if he can actually get in there with that technique but if he did Jiraiya could sense his chakras through SM.

So either,

1) He is immediately ejected back out of the stomach, or

2) He gets restrained while inside the stomach so that Jiraiya can finish his SM

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

There's just one problem with that...If Orochimaru isn't there to hear the entire frog song then it kinda destroys the point doesn't it?

With SM Orochimaru can be tracked to wherever he ran off to

 

[SatchiZurake]

With SM Orochimaru can be tracked to wherever he ran off to

The debate here isn't if Jiraiya can activate Sage Mode. In fact this entire debate has been about SM Jiraiya vs Orochimaru. The debate is under what circumstances he can activate Frog Song. From what our debate has yeilded, the only situation that spells certain victory for Jiraiya is that he catches Orochimaru in this genjutsu.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

The debate here isn't if Jiraiya can activate Sage Mode. In fact this entire debate has been about SM Jiraiya vs Orochimaru. The debate is under what circumstances he can activate Frog Song. From what our debate has yeilded, the only situation that spells certain victory for Jiraiya is that he catches Orochimaru in this genjutsu.

That is not the only way he can win. Orochimaru has chakra levels just like everyone else. He had to break off his fight with Naruto because they were getting low. As long as Jiraiya can force him to keep fighting he will eventually run out and die while Jiraiya has SM chakra to fall back on.

 

[DevonV]

The debate here isn't if Jiraiya can activate Sage Mode. In fact this entire debate has been about SM Jiraiya vs Orochimaru. The debate is under what circumstances he can activate Frog Song. From what our debate has yeilded, the only situation that spells certain victory for Jiraiya is that he catches Orochimaru in this genjutsu.

Hey man dont waste your breath, I agree with you but debating with UzumakiNaruto20 is like debating with a brick wall no matter what you say or how good you points are he will never listen. But unlike a brick wall you will just get shit replies instead of silence.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Hey man dont waste your breath, I agree with you but debating with UzumakiNaruto20 is like debating with a brick wall no matter what you say or how good you points are he will never listen. But unlike a brick wall you will just get shit replies instead of silence.

So because I explained how Jiraiya could enter SM you have to resort to flaming?

You sound butthurt, have an ice:ice:

 

[DevonV]

So because I explained how Jiraiya could enter SM you have to resort to flaming?

You sound butthurt, have an ice:ice:

I will pass. And it is not flaming its the truth. I am still recovering from the last debate we had were you were being more then irrational.

 

[SatchiZurake]

That is not the only way he can win. Orochimaru has chakra levels just like everyone else. He had to break off his fight with Naruto because they were getting low. As long as Jiraiya can force him to keep fighting he will eventually run out and die while Jiraiya has SM chakra to fall back on.

Yes, this is true. But here's the problem with THAT point. You're acting like Orochimaru is just going to sit there and tank everything. The main advantage that Orochimaru has over Jiraiya is that Orochimaru can recover from a seemingly fatal blow. Jiraiya can't. Orochimaru has just as many offences as defenses. Sword of Kusanagi, his ability to contort his body in unnatural ways, Snake summons, his ten thousand snake creation jutsu, his extendable tounge, Striking shadow snakes, Eight Branches, etc, etc.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

I will pass. And it is not flaming its the truth. I am still recovering from the last debate we had were you were being more then irrational.

Really? Sounds like you got trolled. I haven't even been on here in a while. But my rep is rising so I don't believe you.

 

[DevonV]

Really? Sounds like you got trolled. I haven't even been on here in a while. But my rep is rising so I don't believe you.

That's only because there are A LOT of irrational people in the world. If you look at Canada all the people who vote for the NDP are irrational and that is a lot.